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[Chilcek]

So why bother telling people who liked Origins to NOT play 2?

Some lore will be tying in to 3, at the very least. If you enjoy the Dragon Age universe, then play the games. It's not like they completely butchered the world Dragon Age is set in.

Honestly, I think the only problem is the repeated areas and tactical changes. The story is okay. The characters are pretty damned good. 

So yeah, you fairweather fans are pissed it didn't live up to origins. That really doesn't explain the reasoning behind telling people NOT to play a game in the series they enjoy.

If you didn't like the game, great, you're free to say so, but there are redeemable traits about the game that will be used in DA3, whether you want to admit them as "Redeemable" or not.

If anyone's wondering if I'm a fanboy, I'd give this game an 8/10. 7, if you don't have a computer to run it on max or a console port.

Play it for the lore and the characters! (Also play it for the fact you can probably transfer your choices from 2->3).

Modifié par Chilcek, 29 mai 2011 - 09:40 .

[Zanallen]

Okay? Though, technically people who didn't or refuse to play DA2 can read the lore elsewhere. If the series continues like I think it will, DA 3, if its made, will take place in a new location with a new protagonist. I'd play DA2 regardless, if only for a transferable save...No matter my personal feelings on the save import feature itself.

[Zanallen]

I personally hate the import feature as I feel that it limits the writers from allowing major choices within each individual game to prevent massive problems down the line. But I got yelled at as people seem to enjoy the imports.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ah... Here we go again. A thread likely to be closed sooner or later. A topic written to troll the responders. What else is new, Chilcek?

[upsettingshorts]

As far as I'm aware the only intentional retcon - and not the result of some kind of bug - is Sister Nightengale? And as significant as that is, how many people have saves where she is dead that they cling to as important anyway?  Anders' presence despite his potential death in DA:A is explicitly accounted for if you take him to see a certain comrade from those days.

There's other stuff that hints at the possibility of a retcon but given the vagueness of such examples - like the current whereabouts of The Warden (who "has a name you know") I'd say it would be too early to call them retcons.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 mai 2011 - 10:28 .

[Esbatty]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

As far as I'm aware the only intentional retcon - and not the result of some kind of bug - is Sister Nightengale? And as significant as that is, how many people have saves where she is dead that they cling to as important anyway?  Anders' presence despite his potential death in DA:A is explicitly accounted for if you take him to see a certain comrade from those days.

There's other stuff that hints at the possibility of a retcon but given the vagueness of such examples - like the current whereabouts of The Warden (who "has a name you know").

How can my fiancee's Mahariel be back in Denerim, when he's off doing the nasty with Morri?

And in 50% of my playthroughs, that character is headless.

There is a good chance, since Orlais wants back in Ferelden's pants, that the rumor of the Hero of Ferelden's return could keep them at bay while the Fereldens marshal their allies.

[upsettingshorts]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

How can my fiancee's Mahariel be back in Denerim, when he's off doing the nasty with Morri?

It's not a retcon until something explicitly says that he never went into the Eluvian with her at all.  If he did, and then left to go to Denerim, that's not a retcon.  It goes against the common interpretation of how that particular scenario might play out, but until it says something that happened didn't actually happen, it doesn't qualify.

Alistairlover94 wrote...

And in 50% of my playthroughs, that character is headless.

Not anymore!

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 mai 2011 - 10:34 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Okay? Though, technically people who didn't or refuse to play DA2 can read the lore elsewhere. If the series continues like I think it will, DA 3, if its made, will take place in a new location with a new protagonist. I'd play DA2 regardless, if only for a transferable save...No matter my personal feelings on the save import feature itself.

But the save import is glitched and filled of retcons. If the DA team want an established canon, that's fine. But don't include a save import feature then. Especially if it's as glitchy as this one.

What glitches? I keep hearing this but I haven't ran into a single glitch. And Leliana isn't a retcon. Her death is accounted for, we don't know how she came back to life yet but there is a reason.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 29 mai 2011 - 10:36 .

[upsettingshorts]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

 And Leliana isn't a retcon.

It is if she died in DAO.  But it's one the Word of God says they did anyway because they wanted to do more with the character.  Their stated policy on continuity is they'll mess with it if they need to to tell the stories they want to tell.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 mai 2011 - 10:35 .

[Esbatty]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

As far as I'm aware the only intentional retcon - and not the result of some kind of bug - is Sister Nightengale? And as significant as that is, how many people have saves where she is dead that they cling to as important anyway?  Anders' presence despite his potential death in DA:A is explicitly accounted for if you take him to see a certain comrade from those days.

There's other stuff that hints at the possibility of a retcon but given the vagueness of such examples - like the current whereabouts of The Warden (who "has a name you know").

How can my fiancee's Mahariel be back in Denerim, when he's off doing the nasty with Morri?

And in 50% of my playthroughs, that character is headless.

There is a good chance, since Orlais wants back in Ferelden's pants, that the rumor of the Hero of Ferelden's return could keep them at bay while the Fereldens marshal their allies.

Alright, fine. But why tell Hawke?

The Champion being a Fereldan, it might help the rumor if upstanding badasses help spread the good word around the Free Marches.

[Zanallen]

Technically, given the properties of the room she died in and the big container of stuff with certain properties laying over there...Its hard to say what would happen if someone died there. Regardless, I doubt that the specific deathblows are canon and rogues do have the ability to feign death.

[Skilled Seeker]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

 And Leliana isn't a retcon.

It is if she died in DAO.  But it's one the Word of God says they did anyway because they wanted to do more with the character.  Their stated policy on continuity is they'll mess with it if they need to to tell the stories they want to tell.

I edited my post. Leliana's death is acknowledged in the game, you can ask her about it. Hence not a retcon. If it was a retcon then she would have never died but the story in DA2 says she did.

[Skilled Seeker]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Technically, given the properties of the room she died in and the big container of stuff with certain properties laying over there...Its hard to say what would happen if someone died there. Regardless, I doubt that the specific deathblows are canon and rogues do have the ability to feign death.

So...the gameplay/story segretation is that severe, that killing her never happened. Or that Andraste's ashes somehow got out of the urn and cured her?

We don't know yet. Quit your yapping. Fact is, her death is flagged and there's a story reason behind her coming back if she died. NOT A RETCON.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 29 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[Zanallen]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Technically, given the properties of the room she died in and the big container of stuff with certain properties laying over there...Its hard to say what would happen if someone died there. Regardless, I doubt that the specific deathblows are canon and rogues do have the ability to feign death.

So...the gameplay/story segretation is that severe, that killing her never happened. Or that Andraste's ashes somehow got out of the urn and cured her?

The whole area is pretty damn mystical with ghosts and magical flames and disappearing platforms. Who's to say that the room itself doesn't have magical properties? Especially given the amount of lyrium within the walls.

[Zanallen]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

David Gaider: She wrapped Velcro around her neck. Suck it up, princess! (could not resist. Sorry!)

Once again, randomly occuring deathblows are more than likely not counted as canon. Best you have is that the Warden thought she was dead.

[Master Shiori]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I bet there is. Leliana: good girl by day, vigilante by night, who possesses the planning capabilities of Batman! Death was merely a setback!

David Gaider: She wrapped Velcro around her neck. Suck it up, princess! (could not resist. Sorry!)

FemShep: Call me princess again and you'll be picking your teeth off the floor!