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[Kabanya101]

MY Shep got reinstated, and he's kicking everyone's ass as a Paragon. So yeah, he outranks Ashley and everyone else. He was Ashley's former officer, and still is. Just because you die, doesn't mean you don't still outrank your teammates.
(Who say's Paragons can't be bad asses? Bunch of BS, cause I proved'em wrong.)

[TobyHasEyes]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not only that, but her concerns are pretty much confirmed time and time again: the Council races haven't been willing to gon on a limb and expose themselves pretty much any time Humanity has asked for their help.

 Humanity have known about the Council a little over 20 years, and have done their hardest since to portray themselves as the most maligned species in Citadel space 

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, Kaidan outranks Shepard when it comes to Alliance ranks, so if Shepard didn't regain Spectre status in ME2, then he could boss Shepard around if he wants to.

That's just Kaidan, though.

Ashley can too if you're not reinstated, spectre's desputetheir actual military ranks outrank everyone. If people don't want to be bossed around by them they best get reinstated.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm not an expert on how Non-Commissioned Officers match up alongside Commissioned ones but that little Alliance Rankings Chart made it seem like Lieutenant Commander was higher than Operations Chief.

[Siansonea]

People say that Ashley's xenophobic because of the Dog/Bear Story, but guys—she's RIGHT. The Council did everything they could to cover up the fact that Sovereign was more than just a geth ship. They saw first-hand the battle for the Citadel, and the Asari Councilor even remarks that Shepard saved billions of lives by preventing the Reapers arrival. She at least seemed to believe in the Reapers at that point. But they send Shepard to smoke out pockets of geth resistance, and Shepard ends up dead.

Off-topic, but related: I'm convinced that the Turian Councilor is Indoctrinated, and always has been. He always took Saren's side, until the MP3 That Shook The Galaxy came out of Tali's omni-tool, and even then, he pooh-poohed everything Shepard did, and has ALWAYS tried to foment doubt in the Reapers' existence. Sure sounds like he's working for the Reapers to me. And the Collector ship attacked the Normandy at the beginning of ME2, how did they know it would be there? Several ships had gone missing in that sector, but so what? How did the Collectors know that Shepard and the Normandy would be in that exact spot. Now granted, the Council could be dead at that point, but Councillors have staff, and no doubt if the Turian Councilor is Indoctrinated, his staff is too, and one of them could have tipped off the Collectors.

Back on topic: We've only seen a few Spectres in the game, and we don't know much about their lives before they were picked by the Council to serve as Spectres. Saren and Nihlus were no doubt very effective Spectres, as was Tela Vasir. And as far as Nihlus and Tela Vasir go, they were perfectly within their mandate from what we've seen. Nihlus may have killed an innocent (as told to Shepard by Samara), but he may have been doing so due to a Council mission. Tela Vasir was working for the Shadow Broker, but that was in no way in conflict with her Council duties. The Council doesn't care if she blows up a building on Illium. The Council doesn't care if she works with the Shadow Broker for intel, and the Council doesn't care if she does favors for the Shadow Broker in return. As long as she isn't acting directly against the Council, as Saren did, she's encouraged to do whatever she feels she needs to.

Kaidan and Ashley being Spectres makes perfect sense. After all, humanity is part of the Council now, and their lone human Spectre just died. Who better than the human who stood at Shepard's side throughout the mission to stop Saren to take up the Spectre mantle. The Council, whether the familiar trio or three newbies, is bound to recognize how unique Kaidan/Ashley's experience serving under Commander Shepard is, and with Pressly dead, Kaidan is likely the highest ranking officer from the Normandy. They're not going to make Adams, Joker, or Dr. Chakwas a Spectre. And I didn't see hordes of other human elite agents running around during ME1, at least not Alliance personnel. The Alliance has just as much reason to put Ashley's name forward as a Spectre candidate as they do Kaidan, for that matter. Yes, Ashley is an NCO, but she's General Williams' granddaughter, and she was at Shepard's side through an historic battle, and the most notable human survivor of that battle. That kind of PR gold is what journalists dream about. What better than a redemption story to spoon-feed the masses back on Earth? And I think even Khalisah al-Jalani would be singing Ashley's praises.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 29 mai 2011 - 10:21 .

[corporal doody]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Heaps of people keep saying that Kaiden/Ashley will be a Spectre in Mass Effect 3 but I can't find the source to this, I know it makes lots of sense and is probably true but I still want to see a source, for some reason someone put it on the wiki but didn't put the source.

Was it in the Game Informer magazine? I read that but couldn't find anything...

did you bother searching this board?

[Agamo45]

Kaidan is a wuss, he doesn't have what it takes to be a Spectre. Ashley might just have the guts, but not the mentality I think.

[Elite Midget]

Maybe by the gear they're wearing and the fact that outside Shepard they're the only other humans that have the skills and popularity to become the next Human Spectre for the Council Race called Humanity.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I agree with Agamo45. They can be promoted I know Ash could use it she's a tank but Spector is not their calling in my mind quick BW retcon this before the game comes out please! Garrus would be a better spector then these two!

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 30 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[mashbaugh67]

I can see Kaiden getting the title of Spectre just because of what he has done in the past, but Ashley, I dunno. She must have been doing some interesting stuff while Shep was dead/around the time of all other events in 2 after Horizon.

[Randy1012]

mashbaugh67 wrote...

I can see Kaiden getting the title of Spectre just because of what he has done in the past, but Ashley, I dunno. She must have been doing some interesting stuff while Shep was dead/around the time of all other events in 2 after Horizon.

What has Kaidan done in the past, aside from being born a biotic, that makes him worthier or more notable than Ashley? After ten years of service in the Alliance, Kaidan was still just a lieutenant. In less time, Ashley had attained the rank of Gunnery Chief, one of the highest NCO grades, despite her being blacklisted for being a Williams. That speaks to her qualities and her capabilities as a soldier. You don't become a senior NCO just by sitting around and waiting for the brass to hand it to you.

And I doubt the Council would discriminate between officers and enlisted soldiers when choosing Spectres. A candidate's military rank shouldn't matter, so long as they're capable of doing the job. If anything, I'd choose a senior NCO over a junior officer. They tend to be more experienced and more competent.

[NanQuan]

You know, while the evidence that Kaidan is a spectre is fairly solid, it may be premature to say that Ash is. IF Bioware decides to treat them as seperate individuals instead of clones (like on Horizon) then we may only see one be a spectre.  Though, admittedly, the chances of that are kinda low. Still, correct me if I'm wrong, but Ash had not received the rank of commander during ME2 right? In fact, she was only promoted to operations chief I think, which I thought was meant to suggest that despite everything her family was still blacklisted.

Anyway, something to think about. It may be premature to think that whatever happens to one of them will happen to the other.

[Eshaye]

That's weird I always had the impression Ashley's rank was lower then Kaidan's or at least on par. They do emphasize her crappy assignments ans Ash is surprised Shepard lets her become part of the Normandy crew, while with Kaidan he was picked for it..
DR. Chakwas also says Kaidan's service record is impressive.(or noteworthy or something right??)

edit He's earned several special commendations.

Modifié par Eshaye, 30 mai 2011 - 05:32 .

[Aimi]

Eshaye wrote...

That's weird I always had the impression Ashley's rank was lower then Kaidan's or at least on par. They do emphasize her crappy assignments ans Ash is surprised Shepard lets her become part of the Normandy crew, while with Kaidan he was picked for it..
DR. Chakwas also says Kaidan's service record is impressive.(or noteworthy or something right??)

edit He's earned several special commendations.

Her grade is lower than Kaidan's by dint of being a noncommissioned officer, but she's something like an E-7 equivalent whereas Kaidan's an O-2.  It doesn't make much sense, contextually, that she's advanced that much despite being saddled with Williams stigma, while Kaidan's earned special commendations for sterling work but is still a lieutenant after ten years in.  The only thing I could think of that could explain that is the Vyrnnus thing.

[Randy1012]

Or maybe Kaidan just isn't very ambitious. Maybe he doesn't have the drive that Ashley has to prove herself.

Modifié par Randy1083, 30 mai 2011 - 05:54 .

[Gabey5]

Clearly the did something awesome in the months or year after me2

[V-rex]

*sigh*

More of the standard 'Ashley be da xiniphobe' posts. I honestly, honestly thought we were past that by this point. What do I have to do? Move the stars themselves to form a constalation that says:
"ASHLEY ISN'T RACIST!"
Before people get it? My god... f*cking hell.

Anyway, yes, the VS is a Spectre now. Frankly I look forward to it, it'll be cool having another spectre on the team fighting for the same cause. It also has potential to watching the relationship between the VS and Shepard repair and strengthen again as the game continues, at least I certainly hope so.

[marshalleck]

V-rex wrote...

*sigh*

More of the standard 'Ashley be da xiniphobe' posts. I honestly, honestly thought we were past that by this point. What do I have to do? Move the stars themselves to form a constalation that says:
"ASHLEY ISN'T RACIST!"
Before people get it? My god... f*cking hell.

It's just typical reactionary PCness. Express reasonable doubt in the infallibility/impartiality of other self-interested beings along species lines--as they have repeatedly demonstrated a tendency toward--and you're painted a racist because that goes against a core fundamental tenet of certain points of view of how a society (specifically, a western liberal democracy) should be ordered. 

But yeah, Ashley is in no way racist. Take her to talk to Charles Saracino, the guy running for leadership of the Terra Firma 'humanity first!" political group. Now that guy is xenophobic; Ashley is just sensibly cynical. She even calls Saracino a jerk and says she'd want nothing to do with that sort of organization--a viewpoint which is actually confirmed by her reaction to Shepard working for/with Cerberus in ME2, no matter how flawed and plot-railroaded that scene is, as far as how Shepard is allowed to express his or her reasoning for their actions. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 mai 2011 - 07:35 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, Kaidan outranks Shepard when it comes to Alliance ranks, so if Shepard didn't regain Spectre status in ME2, then he could boss Shepard around if he wants to.

That's just Kaidan, though.

He could try, but a Renegade Shepard that forwent reinstatement would probably beat the crap out of him.

Heck, I'm a Paragade but if I have to take orders from VS at any point I am NOT going to be happy. If given the option I will assert my authority as I doubt the VS has two species under their command.

Give me orders? Your family is on what planet again? Oh one sec. LEGION!

[TexasToast712]

Game Informer.

[Eshaye]

Randy1083 wrote...

Or maybe Kaidan just isn't very ambitious. Maybe he doesn't have the drive that Ashley has to prove herself.

Before meeting Shepard he's portrayed as very cautious and conservative  with his abilities, his migraines never helped either. After the events of Eden Prime and a relationship with Shepard (friendly or romantic) he decides to let loose more and his biotic power increases. 

After ME1 it's quite possible he just went ahead full steam due to his experiences. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Huzah wha?

Game lore never recognizes leveling up. It's the difference between game mechanics and game storytelling: after all, with the ME1 import feature, you can just as well start with a level 60 Shepard and crew.

Prior to ME1, Kaiden is already a highly decorated soldier, which is a large part of why Anderson head-hunted him to be on the Normandy in the first place. You can get this from Chakwas at the start. While Kaiden is a conservative person, that's a reflection of his temperment, not his abilities.

[Eshaye]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Huzah wha?

Game lore never recognizes leveling up. It's the difference between game mechanics and game storytelling: after all, with the ME1 import feature, you can just as well start with a level 60 Shepard and crew.

Prior to ME1, Kaiden is already a highly decorated soldier, which is a large part of why Anderson head-hunted him to be on the Normandy in the first place. You can get this from Chakwas at the start. While Kaiden is a conservative person, that's a reflection of his temperment, not his abilities.

No I'm not referring to the actual levels, this is what he says to Shepard, "I'll let loose more from now on." 
And he does, his AI as a squaddie gets more range or 'punch', no I am not crazy...  

[Da Mecca]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Huzah wha?

Game lore never recognizes leveling up. It's the difference between game mechanics and game storytelling: after all, with the ME1 import feature, you can just as well start with a level 60 Shepard and crew.

Prior to ME1, Kaiden is already a highly decorated soldier, which is a large part of why Anderson head-hunted him to be on the Normandy in the first place. You can get this from Chakwas at the start. While Kaiden is a conservative person, that's a reflection of his temperment, not his abilities.

You obviously never had Garrus and Kaidan in the elevator together.

He specifically states that he's been holding back on living targets, but after Eden Prime he wasn't holding back on anyone anymore.