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[Yakko77]

OK, so it seems ME3 starts with Shepard on trial for th events in the Arrival DLC.  What evidence can Shep provide to clear his name and warn people about the Reapers.

1.  The Eden Prime distress signal which shows Sovereign.
2.  The data module given to Shepard by Vigil
3.  Make a better case somehow regarding the wreckage of Soverign from the Battle of the Citadel
4.  ....

I'm trying to think of others.  Any suggestions?

[xIxDarkWolfxIx]

So what will that evidence prove? The Reapers exist, so what? Shepard still committed Genocide. Even if Shepard proves it was necessary it does not change the fact that he just wiped out 300,000 Batarians and a Garden World. I know they are not in Council Space and therefore Shepard did not commit any crime, even more so as the Alliance and the Hegemony are in a state of De-Facto War but very few people would get away with what Shepard has done.
I believe it was a necessary evil but it is still morally wrong, no matter what the cause.

[Ahriman]

Yakko77 wrote...

OK, so it seems ME3 starts with Shepard on trial for th events in the Arrival DLC.  What evidence can Shep provide to clear his name and warn people about the Reapers.

1.  The Eden Prime distress signal which shows Sovereign.
2.  The data module given to Shepard by Vigil
3.  Make a better case somehow regarding the wreckage of Soverign from the Battle of the Citadel
4.  ....

I'm trying to think of others.  Any suggestions?

1. Nobody doubts that Sovereign existed.
2. Shepard probably lost it when died.
3. C-sec and Council scientists got some Sovereign's parts and still it called Geth flagship.
I suppose the only real proof that Reapers exist will be their arrival during the trial.

Modifié par Wizz, 29 mai 2011 - 12:14 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Yakko77 wrote...

OK, so it seems ME3 starts with Shepard on trial for th events in the Arrival DLC.  What evidence can Shep provide to clear his name and warn people about the Reapers.

1.  The Eden Prime distress signal which shows Sovereign.

You realize no one is disputing that Sovereign, as a ship, existed, correct? Entire ship models are sold.

What people dispute is that Sovereign was a Reaper, a race of omnigenocidal sentient machines.

2.  The data module given to Shepard by Vigil

Which proves... what? All it did was block direct-control of the Relay. Which, if you believe the Relay is a Prothean construction, is only reasonable to believe the Protheans can control their own station.

3.  Make a better case somehow regarding the wreckage of Soverign from the Battle of the Citadel

If years of salvage by government investigators didn't turn up support for you, 'a better oral case' still won't be supported by salvage.

4.  ....

I'm trying to think of others.  Any suggestions?

You could have handed over the Derilect Reaper... oh, wait, you destroyed it.

Well, there was Object Rho... oh, wait, you destroyed it.

Gee, if only there was some Reaper installation inside the galaxy, some sort of compound or outpost, which would have technology or even a significant part of a non-oblitterated Reaper, or the technology that could not be from a comparative galactic civilization.

[Icinix]

I don't think it will be possible for Shep to clear their name...

The only thing I could see clearing it, is the Alliance or the council coming out and offering some proof outside what we know in the game, Kasumi's grey box perhaps, or if some other race comes out with proof of the Reapers...but all of those are outside information we do actually know.

So my moneys on him getting charged guilty, sentenced to death and then the Reapers show up.

[Made Nightwing]

This is Chewbacca, Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor....etc.

[Any_ILL]

Chewbacca is from Kashyyk!

[tomorrowstation]

Any_ILL wrote...

Chewbacca is from Kashyyk!

He moved to Endor, tried to pass himself off as the tallest Ewok evar. You didn't know?!?


As for the trial: all the evidence against Shep will probably be hyberbolically trumped up so as to allow us to respond with a lot of Paragon/renegade opts, much like Miri and Jacob questioning Shep in the shuttle.

In fact, the trial will most likely use evidence of every major act Shep did in all three games to orient new players as to what Shep is all about.

[Leonia]

Kashyyyk, actually.

I'm with Icinix though, it seems like every decision that Shepard was ever involved in is intend to push him/her towards a conviction more than not. Shepard is becoming Saren 2.0.

There are more questionable things that Shepard has done than noble ones, even if he/she is a Paragon (all Shepards destroy 300,000 batarian lives and the Spectre Tela Vasir).

Regardless, I want Baltar's lawyer. That guy was badass.

Modifié par leonia42, 29 mai 2011 - 12:48 .

[Dave666]

If the option was available, my Shep's defence would be that it was Doctor Amanda Kenson who did it and that Shepard tried valiantly to stop what she had set in motion (not that far from the truth really, Kenson DID set it all up) thats what Shep would say in public, in private to those he trusts like Hackett he'd tell the truth.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I want OJ Simpson's lawyer his skills can get my Shepard found not guilty in an instant.

"If the Reapers make us flee than Shepard must go free."

[belwin]

to be honest, i feel that anything shep presents will get dismissed.

in un-seriousness, i would just hire this guy and my shep would be set.

[MrFob]

belwin wrote...

to be honest, i feel that anything shep presents will get dismissed.

Especially if a certain turian councillor is present.

I think Shep will just go with the paragon persuasion: "I am Commander Shepard and this is my favourite trial in Citadel Space."

[Golden Owl]

While on the Station, I had Shep activate every data pad and console, etc...I could find...just in case he pocketed any of it....but won't know until ME3 of course.

[Unata]

Ok, first of all when Shep is being debriefed by Hackett Shep asks "What have you heard? Hackett only says something to the effect of sending Shep out there to get Kenson "All I know is..."

Hackett gives Shep's report back, How then is anyone to know what happened let alone who was out there since Normandy is in stealth mode in Battarian space, the ONLY thing known to the rest of the Galaxy is that sector went po0f.

I am seriously having doubts about Hackett, after two years he buddies up and asks a favor of someone he kept trying to slow down, interfere with in ME1?? Once you get the Virmire mission it's called "A Race against time" but Hackett still pops up with missions, sorry I don't buy this, the Alliance has no one else able to shoot a gun?

Another point, if you have a non Liara LI Shep and in LotSB she hands the dog tags to shep and says Admiral Hackett gave them to her to give Shep, where the hell did Hackett get them since Shep's body was found and handled by SB minions and all the rest of the dead crew of Normandy SR1's dog tags were still laying around Alchera?

Shep's being set up big time by Hackett imho, only way anyone would know Shep was in Battarian space is if Hackett told them.

[Yakko77]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You could have handed over the Derilect Reaper... oh, wait, you destroyed it.

Well, there was Object Rho... oh, wait, you destroyed it.

Gee, if only there was some Reaper installation inside the galaxy, some sort of compound or outpost, which would have technology or even a significant part of a non-oblitterated Reaper, or the technology that could not be from a comparative galactic civilization.

Yeah, Shep has a way of destroying evidence that would prove the Reaper threat but the problem is that said evidence is a genuine threat at the moment and had to be dealt with.  There's no viable way to save the derelict Reaper or Object Rho.  One had to be destroyed in order to escape and the other had to be destroyed in order to prevent the Reapers from coming at that moment.  There's always the Collector base but even that can be destroyed or is in Cerberus' hands.

Also, Adm. Hackett mentions showing up to trial in your dress uniform but I'm wondering if you have a choice on that.

Paragon: Return to your Alliance roots in your dress blues
Neutral: Show your disdain for Cerberus and the Alliance by wearing civilian attire
Renegade: Show your willingness to do whatever it takes to save humanity by showing up in cerberus colors.

[Homebound]

[Ausstig]

I plead insanity, cause I played it

Also people already think Shep is crazy so why not role with it.
eg. that ship Reaper ! that tree REAPER!! etc etc

[Da Mecca]

Judge: Shepard, you are on trial for the horrific and heinous crime of killing 300,000 thousand Batarians. Do you have anything to say in your defense.

Shepard: They were Batarians.

Judge:You're right. You are free to go.

Modifié par Da Mecca, 29 mai 2011 - 06:17 .

[Moiaussi]

A copy of Hackett's request that he investigate might be good evidence. Hackett saying that it would be off the books brings it back on the books.

Other than that:

1) Proof that the Collectors were modified Protheans (assuming they were smart enough to keep any DNA samples).
2) The intact beacon, if he can recover it from Cerberus.
3) Data from the derelict reaper
4) Any of Kineson's notes recovered.

Generally though, he is likely toast without the Reapers showing up in person as star witnesses (in this case, interstellar witnesses!)

[DPSSOC]

Shep: I would like to call my first and only witness to the events in question, Harbinger
Shep starts convulsing, lifts into the air
Shepinger: We are assuming direct control
Shep starts laying waste to all in sight
Anderson:to Shep's crewAt what point did any of you think this was a good idea.

[Heimdall]

tomorrowstation wrote...

Any_ILL wrote...

Chewbacca is from Kashyyk!

He moved to Endor, tried to pass himself off as the tallest Ewok evar. You didn't know?!?


As for the trial: all the evidence against Shep will probably be hyberbolically trumped up so as to allow us to respond with a lot of Paragon/renegade opts, much like Miri and Jacob questioning Shep in the shuttle.

In fact, the trial will most likely use evidence of every major act Shep did in all three games to orient new players as to what Shep is all about.

  I think that will actually just be Shepard talking to his attorney.

[Yeti13]

what about the giant pulsating orb that sits on my desk in my private quarters?

[Someone With Mass]

Why don't we just bring in Legion and have him show everyone the data about the Reapers the geth have most likely stored somewhere?

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wow! Normally I'm prosecuting shep this is different.....if I have to be my own defense on this I'm screwed sense it's all going to be based off of what would be allowed in court. Like for instance allowing someone to tell them what someone else told them about a crime is hearsay a judge may or may not let this type of evidence in and shep got tons of hearsay things.


So evidence.....

The visions - out we know the council doesn't admit dreams and very few courts on Earth do.


the convo with Benizia but she's dead all we have is sheps word, 2nd party witnesses (whoever came with you to defeat her.), your report on the matter.


^Linking with this meeting we can establish shep's mindset was he sane or insane based off his demeanor during the issue and on ship after the issue via crewmembers so we've got some witnesses.


We could do character witnesses those who establish the basic personality of shep crewmen both ground and non ground can be called for this. It could help to establish shep does what he does for the right reasons.


Kelly - sense she is suppose to be the psychologist on the Normandy2 with a waver from shep she can say what they talked about but by giving up that waiver she will be an open book she will have to tell damning evidence too.


Vigil - out he no longer works and all we have is shep's word, his report, and 2nd party

film - may not be allowed sense nothing has shep himself doing A or B we see Sovereign landing on Eden Prime but that does nothing for shep beyond a ship landed and guys died.

Reaper pic at end of 2 - out because it has no baring on the trial if he is being convicted on killing the batarians showing a bunch of ships and saying they're reapers doesn't do much for him sense no one on that jury knows what a reaper looks like they can just as easily believe those creatures are advanced rachni.

Data mining from EDI on derelict collectorship - this could be made classified so then no court use for this. All the council and or Alliance has to do is stamp it and then you can't use it. We don't even know what it contains apart from DNA comparisons between humans and collectors.

Pleading insanity - This would be a goodway to help shep get out of jail sense then the visions can be called into account and after all that I think the jury would agree he/she is insane.

(thinking....)
Riiight I'm running out of defense!

My biggest problem is that everything shep did in ME was under the protection of the council in ME2 it was kinda protected by them if he laid low and only if they felt generous about it. So will the council allow for him to be broughtup on charges from ME- ME2 conduct? Or will they only allow for him to be charged on his actions and outcomes of Arrival? And then it comes down to how much sensitive data are they willing to let go of to toss shep under that bus sense he can say I did it because the council asked me to. Think about I killed the Queen because they asked me too, I blew up Virmire because they asked me to everything could be turned into the council told me to and the council would have to prove that wasn't the case. Sense the umbrella of spector is do whatever you have to to get the job done blowing up a base maybe what gets that job done and if so then its ok.

I would hate to be a jury on this trial talk about colossal headache!

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 29 mai 2011 - 07:19 .