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[criptic]

There are some of the must read articles about DAII, for BioWare employees and the fans. Some folks may have posted these on the forums before, but even if it was the case, I'd like to make sure beloved BioWare emplyees see them again. It's my only means to make sure DA3 will be a better game than DAII and perhaps as good as DA:O,with skills and beautiful interface and single lined-dialogand all back. I could've reviewed the game myself, but since everyone with rather negative opinions about DAII is called a 'hater' here, I'd prefer to keep my opinions to myself and stress on the following articles instead. All of them are very interesting reads indeed, the first (an exception, a video review) and second being the best of the bunch.

http://www.escapistm...8-Dragon-Age-II

http://procrastinati...t-dragon-age-2/

http://www.rockpaper...-ii/#more-55711

http://bitmob.com/ar...-should-be-made

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-dragon-age-2/

http://www.rpgcodex....tent.php?id=224


The last one is not based on the whole game, just the demo. Ironically, it's very accurate.
http://t-machine.org...signers-go-bad/



Not related to DragonAge2, but Bioware please note them as well:

Modifié par criptic, 30 mai 2011 - 02:48 .

[Teredan]

haha didn't know of these reviews, they were very entertaining thank you !

[Alex109222]

Clearly those reviews were made by 4chan, just the minority of people trying to seem like the majority.
/DavidGaider
I sure hope, for Biowares sake that they intend to fix this also.

[Slayer299]

You mean reviews people like Mike Laidlaw won't care about? (Sorry, bitter there)

I'd love for them to read those and take them to heart, I just lack any faith they will actually listen....

[Chromie]

Rock paper shotgun

[criptic]

The video is funny, but what I really dislike about it is the stupid dialog wheel. Now I understand DA2 is a consolized game and dialog wheel is justified for the consoles. But why would they have to use that stupid dialog wheel for a PC exclusive game?
Dialog wheel is not good. It's stupid. It only limits dialog choices (in DAII, it's limited to the good, the bad and the jackass) and eliminates the possibility of creative dialogs with gray choices that fall out of the simple notions of good and evil.

[Marko GW]

www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/31/analysis-dragon-age-ii/#more-55711

This is the best and most accurate review of the game.

If Bioware/Mike Laidlaw wonder what they did wrong, all they have to do is read this review.

I sure hope they did already.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

criptic wrote...

There are some of the must read articles about DAII, for BioWare employees and the fans. Some folks may have posted these on the forums before, but even if it was the case, I'd like to make sure beloved BioWare emplyees see them again. It's my only means to make sure DA3 will be a better game than DAII and perhaps as good as DA:O,with skills and beautiful interface and single lined-dialogand all back. I could've reviewed the game myself, but since everyone with rather negative opinions about DAII is called a 'hater' here, I'd prefer to keep my opinions to myself and stress on the following articles instead. All of them are very interesting reads indeed, the first (an exception, a video review) and second being the best of the bunch.

http://www.escapistm...8-Dragon-Age-II

http://procrastinati...t-dragon-age-2/

http://www.rockpaper...-ii/#more-55711

http://bitmob.com/ar...-should-be-made

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-dragon-age-2/

The last one is not based on the whole game, just the demo. Ironically, it's very accurate.
http://t-machine.org...signers-go-bad/

Some good stuff in there, but OUCH on comparing DA2 to Ultima IIX: Pagan! Sure, DA2 cut things and made drastic changes, but it wasn't PAGAN bad. 

[dzizass]

RPGCodex has posted a very good review, which unlike much of the stuff there isn't overly hateful:

http://www.rpgcodex....tent.php?id=224

[samuelkaine]

You do realise that Yahtzee, from your first link, enjoyed the game? That he wrote a blog post about how he felt really connected to the characters? That he named his Tepig in Pokemon White 'Anders' so their relationship could continue in spirit?

[Nerdage]

I imagine they've read most / all of the reviews without being told to. Why would you think they haven't?

[Cutlass Jack]

nerdage wrote...

I imagine they've read most / all of the reviews without being told to. Why would you think they haven't?

I think there's greater likelyhood of them having already read those reviews than reading this post. But I for one am glad he specifically signed up to the forums to tell them about it.

(slightly more seriously they're worth a glance for anyone that hasn't.)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 30 mai 2011 - 01:48 .

[syllogi]

Marko GW wrote...

www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/31/analysis-dragon-age-ii/#more-55711

This is the best and most accurate review of the game.

If Bioware/Mike Laidlaw wonder what they did wrong, all they have to do is read this review.

I sure hope they did already.

Ha, I agree so much with most of this, but I take issue with a few of the positive points he mentions near the end.  I really don't see the crafting system as improved in DA2 (they might as well have had you just find the potions, instead of ingredients in fixed locations), and I don't consider wiping away skills as "refined"...  But, yeah, other than that, this is pretty much how I feel about the game, especially concerning the disjointed story, and why it's so frustrating that it feels like it *could* have been just as good or even better than DA:O.  It's a shame.

[criptic]

nerdage wrote...

I imagine they've read most / all of the reviews without being told to. Why would you think they haven't?

I think you are right, I am pretty sure that they have already dug out articles from important magazines/web-sites. Some of the links I posted were less known.
On the second thought, why not find accurate and good articles from less known web-sites and peronal blogs, then post them here? This could be a reference, full of links to less known but accurate sources.

I eidted the OP, dzizass  and Alex109222  's links were added to the list. 

[Travie]

Everything points to them not listening or admitting that they did anything wrong. Bioware has some good teams, the DA2 team just wasn't one of them.

[Scimal]

Travie wrote...

Everything points to them not listening or admitting that they did anything wrong. Bioware has some good teams, the DA2 team just wasn't one of them.

You should try reading some actual posts by BioWare employees. Maybe some of the more recent ones... by people like Mike Laidlaw...


@OP: I bet they've already read most of those, if not all of them.

Well, and I should say that Zero Punctuation is not really a review to take seriously. Yahtzee is an entertainer, and leaves his written column for more serious work. 

[SuicidalBaby]

http://www.escapistm...8-Dragon-Age-II

Yahtzee is a humorist critic. This does not devalue his insight into some of what he covers, but should taken in with the right perspective.

http://procrastinati...t-dragon-age-2/

Absolute crap review from a single play through.

http://www.rockpaper...-ii/#more-55711

Spot on job. Couldnt agree more with Walker.

http://bitmob.com/ar...-should-be-made

Good read. How much his opinion matters will be based off the comparison of the sales figures of 2 unique generas. Tough sell regardless if I happen to agree with him.

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-dragon-age-2/

He's right. But then again all he's doing is pointing out differences between 1 and 2. Nothing new.

http://t-machine.org...signers-go-bad/

Oh boy! A review based off the demo written by someone who is clearly trying too hard just so he can, "breathe words." Filling a page with crap, a review does not make. This reminded me of 8th grade English. Doesnt matter what you write, fill the page while not making any grammatical errors. Here is your A-.


Pretty sure the devs know how to type "Dragon Age 2" into Google's search line. This didnt need to be posted.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 30 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Mike2640]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

http://procrastinati...t-dragon-age-2/

Absolute crap review from a single play through.

Why is that crap? I didn't find anything particularly objectionable in my readthrough of it, except I thought 30+ hours was good enough, length-wise (I'm not sure I would've wanted it to be longer, all things considered). You make it sound like some angry fan rant, but  this guy is very reasonable, and offers valid reasons for why he doens't like the things he mentions.

Also why is the fact that he may have only done one playthrough even a factor? I only did one play through of DA2 and I thought that was more than enough. Judging from what I 've read on the boards it's not like the game changes in any significant way upon repeat playthroughs anyway.

[SuicidalBaby]

Being reasonable has nothing to do with quality or perspective, both of which are lacking in his review.

The same can be said of anyone who played it once and based their views on what other people say from the same boat. My opinion is that It is a crap kneejerk review.

If he had written it with Ten Good Things About Dragon Age 2 it may have stood on its own. I get this reviewer's style, but the OP is bias to a fault and neglected to post this man's collected thoughts on the matter out of either outright laziness or lack of perception.

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 30 mai 2011 - 04:42 .

[Stanley Woo]

I am curious as to just why these reviews are the "must see," while others are not. Or is this another case of assuming we only listen to or read positive reviews?

[Monica83]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I am curious as to just why these reviews are the "must see," while others are not. Or is this another case of assuming we only listen to or read positive reviews?

Maybe because those one are honest? And EA is famous to pay rewiewers to have high scores?

I remember some rewiever gived DA2 9.0 and its not a 9.0 game..Due to bugs rushed elements.. and other things

[Travie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I am curious as to just why these reviews are the "must see," while others are not. Or is this another case of assuming we only listen to or read positive reviews?

Well, since the team has consistently not aknowledged the errors they made in the game people naturally assume the team doesn't think those things are errors.

Enter this thread. 

[Vlud]

Monica83 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I am curious as to just why these reviews are the "must see," while others are not. Or is this another case of assuming we only listen to or read positive reviews?

Maybe because those one are honest? And EA is famous to pay rewiewers to have high scores?

I remember some rewiever gived DA2 9.0 and its not a 9.0 game..Due to bugs rushed elements.. and other things

Well  , you got your answer.

And for the second part , you don't listen to or read only the positive aspects about the game (if such things existed) , you only read and listen to what is being shoved down your throat by the bosses at EA.

When a ton of people here on the forums were telling you DA was heading in a wrong direction , you treated them like garbage  , saying they are afraid of change and don't know what they're talking about.This is how you ended up putting out a big pile of ... HAPPINESS

[Droma]

again funny how people on this forum think they are the majority with their opinions =D and it's more garbage if a review just shows the bad stuff about a game and totally ignores anythng good about the game. but that's the problem with high expectations that people have. try to judge a game by it's own and not by it's predecessor(s). then you could see that da2 is in fact a quite good game. not a perfect one and no 9.0 one, but it isn't total garbage aswell. but i don't know pc gamers nowaydays seem to allways think that every game is bad because it is "dumbed" down for those baaad console gamers.

and allways funny how every bad review is the one and only truth and every good review was paid by ea. all you people who disliked the game actually believe everyone else has to hate it too or is paid by ea? you can't believe that some people don't bother that much about the new ways da2 was going?

Modifié par Droma, 30 mai 2011 - 05:32 .