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[FiachSidhe]

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...
The fact is, people liked this game, more people than those who hated it.

That's not the impression I got.

FiachSidhe wrote...
So much so that the people who hated it needed to invade Metacritic to create the illusion of support.

It's amazing that people still believe this.

1. That's fine, you can have whatever impression you like. Doesn't make it true.

2. Yes because people posting reviews for all three platforms, indicates sincerity and objectivity. Because people who have never used Metacritic appeared in droves, and were so concerned with bad mouthing the game, that they often times didn't realize that were giving the game a perfect 10 rating, while saying it sucks, because they were in such a hurry, doesn't indicate angry fanboys with a bone to pick. Because giving the game a 1/10 is so totally objective. Then hovering around the site voting down every review that wasn't completely damning.  When you get 10-20 downvotes in an hour, it raises some flags.

You can, of course, prove me wrong. I'll wait....

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 07:39 .

[Droma]

only because everyone on this forum and/or metacritics bash this game doesn't make it the majority of the people. there are at least 1,4m people out there who bought the game so what's the matter with the ~1000 people posting here? it says nothing about how many hated or liked the game.

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

i have to say the legandary awesome button worked good for me. i also had more fun without auto attack then with it. it's a different feeling on consoles, especially with rumble. you get these BAM IN YOUR FACE feeling everytime your controller shakes and you know you critted an enemy to death. but you loose all that on the pc, i can kinda understand how the combat sucks for pc gamers.

Modifié par Droma, 30 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[Teredan]

Droma wrote...

only because everyone on this forum and/or metacritics bash this game doesn't make it the majority of the people. there are at least 1,4m people out there who bought the game so what's the matter with the ~1000 people posting here? it says nothing about how many hated or liked the game.

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

i have to say the legandary awesome button worked good for me. i also had more fun without auto attack then with it. it's a different feeling on consoles, especially with rumble. you get these BAM IN YOUR FACE feeling everytime your controller shakes and you know you critted an enemy to death. but you loose all that on the pc, i can kinda understand how the combat sucks for pc gamers.

Sorry but it tells you one thing, and that is that the majority of the people that even care to post (these are the guys that care the most about the game not including the developers) don't like the game. It's not the all and everything but disregarding it like you encourage it is also not the right thing to do.

[FiachSidhe]

Mike2640 wrote...

Not really. I don't see how criticizing the
awful wave combat, lack of choice, and reusing maps
= "CONSOLE-TARDS WON!", and I don't see how people pointing out how
inferior the game was to it's predecessor somehow pushes an agenda.

Probably because I didn't link those complaints with the accusation. Criticising the games legitimate flaws isn't what I'm talking about.

Agreed
for the most part, but compare something to shovelware and it always
looks good. Resident Evil 5 is better than Big Rigs, that doesn't mean I
would recommend it.

Tell that to the people who rated this game with the same numbers they use on shovelware. That's my point, if you think this game is as bad as shovelware, you don't know what shovelware really is.

The combat was much worse,
which goes hand in hand with the waves. The wheel is pretty much
subjective, and although I didn't prefer it (I like knowing what I'm
going to say, as well as having more options, even if the differences in
the NPC responses are minimal), but I know there are those that did.

Which is your opinion, not a fact. I don't get your logic, how did the wheel prevent you from knowing what you were going to say. If you're talking about the exact phrases, yeah that is annoying. However that isn't the system's fault, it's the writer's fault for making each choice vague.

I would love for you to prove that.

See my above post for the obvious signs that everyone else was able to notice, but the people complaining.

Well,
it's got quite a lot to learn from. And I don't think people feel
"smarter" playing Origins, but I certainly felt stupid playing DA2.

If you feel dumb because of a game, than I'm really sorry for you. Neither game made me feel dumb, I was too busy having fun to notice, whether or not the game was validating me.

[Droma]

@teredan: that's just totally wrong in so many ways. the people who care to post are mainly the people who are pissed of and try to give their anger some air. internet and especially forums have become to places where everybody complains about everything. you see it from the wrong perspective. why should you bother posting on these forum if you liked the game? many of the people who enjoyed that game, just played it and wrote maybe one post at the constructive criticism thread and then checked for dlc any now and than and that's it. And trying to argue with lot of the "haters" on these forum is quite a depressing job, why would anyone who liked the game bother telling you why? internet (and especially gaming forums) aren't in any way represantive.

Modifié par Droma, 30 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[Teredan]

Droma wrote...

that's just totally wrong in so many ways. 1.the people who care to post are mainly the people who are pissed of and try to give their anger some air. internet and especially forums have become to places where everybody complains about everything. you see it from the wrong perspective. why should you bother posting on these forum if you liked the game? many of the people who enjoyed that game, just played it and wrote maybe one post at the constructive criticism thread and then checked for dlc any now and than and that's it. And trying to argue with lot of the "haters" on these forum is quite a depressing job, why would anyone who liked the game 2.bother telling you why? internet (and especially gaming forums) aren't in any way represantive.

1. why are they angry and pissed? yeah because they care about their game... wasn't to complicated right?
When I like a game a lot I'm gonna post on forums when developers make it clear that they're reading them because no matter how much I liked it there are always flaws and to be able to get a better sequel I'm gonna point that out (but only if I liked and really cared about the game)

2.Again because they care.

I'd say you're having the wrong perspective trying to push for something that is as wrong as the unthoughfull bashing of DA2.

Modifié par Teredan, 30 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[Shirosaki17]

Droma wrote...

only because everyone on this forum and/or metacritics bash this game doesn't make it the majority of the people. there are at least 1,4m people out there who bought the game so what's the matter with the ~1000 people posting here? it says nothing about how many hated or liked the game.

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

i have to say the legandary awesome button worked good for me. i also had more fun without auto attack then with it. it's a different feeling on consoles, especially with rumble. you get these BAM IN YOUR FACE feeling everytime your controller shakes and you know you critted an enemy to death. but you loose all that on the pc, i can kinda understand how the combat sucks for pc gamers.

Nobody cares about your opinion. You rant about opinions not mattering of the thousand people on these forums but then go on about your opinion. In politics, a lot of the polls they do are only 1k to 2k people, and they use those to represent a lot more than just 1.4 million people in some areas. So the people here are representative of the 1.4 million consumers who bought the game whether you like it or not.

Another thing, someone posted that the xbox360 achievement for beating DA2 was only completed by 48% the other day. That means less than half of the 360 players beat the game. That's more than 1 thousand opinions if you needed a larger poll.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 08:00 .

[abaris]

Droma wrote...

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

Sure, I'm a PC gamer. And I have to say, I haven't got problems with the mechanics of combat, but with the fact, that I don't want to feel like monkey boy when playing a game. And I don't find gory explosions immersing, funny or entertaining either. And that has nothing to do with console vs PC, unless you want to imply, console players are more easily entertained.

Modifié par abaris, 30 mai 2011 - 08:00 .

[DragonRageGT]

You can defend it all you want. Cold sales numbers says a different thing. And we PC arrogant don't need to complain anymore... too busy playing PC exclusive (for now) The Witcher 2 and craving for another Origins or TW1 playthrough! (can't say the same about DA2, sorry)

[FiachSidhe]

Teredan wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Agreed. It seems that, the crux of the complaints, come from arrogant PC hermits who think "RPG" means slow deliberate, and awkward combat, that when struggled through, makes one a better gamer.  The game has flaws. Lots of them, but ultimately it also has great ideas that I enjoyed way more than Origins.

There may be reasons, but ultimately I get the feeling that those who can't shut up about DA2, are just trying to pad what really amounts to "CONSOLE-TARDS WON!"

While DA 2 isn't as good as Origins, it is far from a bad game. I've played Hellboy: Asylum Seeker, so a game really needs to dig deep to impress me with it's awfulness. It's a step in the right direction, but lets face it, it was rushed. Rushing games NEVER ends up well. Personally I like that Bioware is always trying to push the genre forward.

The complaints about the dialogue wheel are especially ridiculous. It's the same damn thing, only it looks like a wheel. The choices indicate what emotion you're going to display, which is much better than guessing the writers' intent entirely through text, with no direction cited. Other than having MORE options, I find the complaint hypcritical, as these are also coupled with the "dumbed down combat".

There are lots of lessons to be learned from this game, however, taking a point of pride away from PC gamers isn't one of them.
The fact is, people liked this game, more people than those who hated it. So much so that the people who hated it needed to invade Metacritic to create the illusion of support.
The third game should learn from the mistakes in this one, but not having a complex system to make you feel, smart isn't a problem for anyone else.

I'm gonna disagree with you here, don't take me wrong I too have seen ridiculous complaints about that but I've also read a few justified ones. First of all it's not the same, that's fact if it were then there wouldn't be any complaints. 
My problem is rooted in my preference (I admit that). The way the wheel is implemented in it's current form kills any kind diversity of lines(which I liked). You have these lines classified. And the categories they belong to are far too few. Having only good and evil answer already got boring after Mass Effect. Not to say that DA2 had no fun dialog, remember the times where no clear icon was attached to the answers I enjoyed those the most sadly they didn't have any impact.

You are more than welcome to prefer whatever system you like. I liked both. The change didn't bother me. It could have been better. A lot better, but it didn't suck as badly as people claim it did.
I'm talking about people who go on and on about it, as the game was the worst thing they ever played, due to a lack of prefered systems.

There are tons of people posting constructive feedback, I support them. As an artist, constructive feedback is way more valuable to me than "this rocks!"

Saying things like "This game is crap" doesn't help, nor does rating the gamer with scores so low they can't possibly be taken seriously.

Too many players equate preference to quality. These are the people who flood Bioware's Facebook page with rants about DA2 under photos of BW totebags.

[Teredan]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Too many players equate preference to quality. These are the people who flood Bioware's Facebook page with rants about DA2 under photos of BW totebags.

I hope that doesn't imply that wheel vs dialoglist is a debate about  which has more quality, because it isn't it boils down to preference.

[Droma]

i didn't say you people didn't care about the game (of cause you did), the thing you stated wrong in my opinion was that you said, the majority of the people who cared most about bioware games are the ones who complain here. and that is just wrong because i think there are a lot of people out there who really care for and love bioware games but didn't feel that da2 was a huge letdown for them. so they don't write here, because as stated above, with all this "hate" here on the forum it's quite a depressing job.

i for one also don't really post that much here. i consider myself a fan of bioware games (played nwn, kotor, me1/2, da1/2) and i enjoyed da2 a lot. as stated above it isn't the best game and has many flaws but it isn't the garbage many people here see in it. but as stated above, points of view may vary on wether or not you played that game on pc.

imagine da:o without the top down camera and you got the console version of it. isn't really that much fun in combat (story/game in general is great nevertheless xP). i for one can understand that pc gamers have a similar problem now with the da2 combat. but it really is a lot of fun on consoles. and the truth is, let's face it: you make your money on consoles and not on the pc anymore.

[FiachSidhe]

RageGT wrote...

You can defend it all you want. Cold sales numbers says a different thing. And we PC arrogant don't need to complain anymore... too busy playing PC exclusive (for now) The Witcher 2 and craving for another Origins or TW1 playthrough! (can't say the same about DA2, sorry)

Congratulations on liking a game, more than another game!
Is this the part where I'm supposed to tell you "nuh uh, this game is better!"? As if the notion of a superior game ever coming along, is some sort of shock and that I should just throw all my current games in the garbage. The problem is, you're arrogant without any virtue to warrant such. Your revelation on a game being better DA 2 released after DA2, isn't as world halting as you seem to think it is.

Frankly I thought the first Witcher was overrated. Poor combat, wooden NPC's, meandering cutscenes, and a character that is ultimately set in stone so deep, it may as well have been a JRPG with dialogue choices. Collecting "Imaginary Girls I've Banged" trading cards didn't help.

However, I don't delude myself into thinking that my opinion based on preference, makes The Witcher in any way, a bad game.

In other words:
A is better than B.
=/=
B is bad.

Sales = Quality
Case in point: Bam Margera has a net worth of 40+ million dollars.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 08:15 .

[Teredan]

Droma wrote...

i didn't say you people didn't care about the game (of cause you did), the thing you stated wrong in my opinion was that you said, the majority of the people who cared most about bioware games are the ones who complain here. and that is just wrong because i think there are a lot of people out there who really care for and love bioware games but didn't feel that da2 was a huge letdown for them. so they don't write here, because as stated above, with all this "hate" here on the forum it's quite a depressing job.

i for one also don't really post that much here. i consider myself a fan of bioware games (played nwn, kotor, me1/2, da1/2) and i enjoyed da2 a lot. as stated above it isn't the best game and has many flaws but it isn't the garbage many people here see in it. but as stated above, points of view may vary on wether or not you played that game on pc.

imagine da:o without the top down camera and you got the console version of it. isn't really that much fun in combat (story/game in general is great nevertheless xP). i for one can understand that pc gamers have a similar problem now with the da2 combat. but it really is a lot of fun on consoles. and the truth is, let's face it: you make your money on consoles and not on the pc anymore.

I'm not sure if you got me right, because of that I trying to clarify myself.
What I said is that the people that post on a game specific forum(that is read by the developers) are the people that care the most about that game. These people want to take active part in making their beloved series better.
But because humans are not perfect some of them feel so frustrated or aren't to good with words about where DA2 took the series, so they're ranting and complaing. That's something people have to consider even if it's not a nice thing.

On the other side you have people that maybe enjoyed or didn't enjoyed the game who really don't care about where the next entry might be heading and have pretty much a whatever judging by base attitude about this series. They'll remain quite or maybe even oblivious to the existence of these forums

It's easy to see which side cares more about the game, right?

You're really way to negative about this issue, be more open the bottom line of what I'm saying is even with a mass of unconstructive complaints there is always something to learn but ignoring these complaints is not the way to do that.

Modifié par Teredan, 30 mai 2011 - 08:15 .

[Aesieru]

I came to complain BECAUSE I liked Dragon Age: O and not Dragon Age 2, and liked BioWare games.

I've yet to complain on the SWTOR boards because that's political suicide... why? Because juvenile children seem to really like anything that they put, irregardless of if it seems generic or actually graphically intense...

But when I'm disappointed with the game, I will.

[Droma]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Droma wrote...

only because everyone on this forum and/or metacritics bash this game doesn't make it the majority of the people. there are at least 1,4m people out there who bought the game so what's the matter with the ~1000 people posting here? it says nothing about how many hated or liked the game.

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

i have to say the legandary awesome button worked good for me. i also had more fun without auto attack then with it. it's a different feeling on consoles, especially with rumble. you get these BAM IN YOUR FACE feeling everytime your controller shakes and you know you critted an enemy to death. but you loose all that on the pc, i can kinda understand how the combat sucks for pc gamers.

Nobody cares about your opinion. You rant about opinions not mattering of the thousand people on these forums but then go on about your opinion. In politics, a lot of the polls they do are only 1k to 2k people, and they use those to represent a lot more than just 1.4 million people in some areas. So the people here are representative of the 1.4 million consumers who bought the game whether you like it or not.

Another thing, someone posted that the xbox360 achievement for beating DA2 was only completed by 48% the other day. That means less than half of the 360 players beat the game. That's more than 1 thousand opinions if you needed a larger poll.

again, this forum is in no way represantive (as much as polls are, you americans should know that with your donald trump for president eraly 2011 polls =D). the problem is this forum is mainly visited by pc gamers and therefore not represantive (especially when the game only sold ~ 300k units to pc out of the 1,4m it sold). also great example of yours and shows how biased you are. taking a statistic of 48% of people not completing the game is proof for you that they all hated it? great the on the same logic 52% of the people (which is btw ~400k people) really loved that game!so the poll was still won by people who enjoyed the game by your own logic.

[FiachSidhe]

Teredan wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Too many players equate preference to quality. These are the people who flood Bioware's Facebook page with rants about DA2 under photos of BW totebags.

I hope that doesn't imply that wheel vs dialoglist is a debate about  which has more quality, because it isn't it boils down to preference.

It is not, I agree with you. I prefer the combat in DA2. That doesn't mean DA2's combat good, only that I enjoy it more.

[Teredan]

Droma wrote...

again, this forum is in no way represantive (as much as polls are, you americans should know that with your donald trump for president eraly 2011 polls =D). the problem is this forum is mainly visited by pc gamers and therefore not represantive (especially when the game only sold ~ 300k units to pc out of the 1,4m it sold). also great example of yours and shows how biased you are. taking a statistic of 48% of people not completing the game is proof for you that they all hated it? great the on the same logic 52% of the people (which is btw ~400k people) really loved that game!so the poll was still won by people who enjoyed the game by your own logic.

Again way to black and white, not even the developers can agree with you. Someone from Bioware once stated how all fan opinions are equally valid(not to confuse with equally helpful) which means they are indeed representative in some way. How much they weight is up to the developers to consider.

FiachSidhe wrote...

It is not, I agree with you. I prefer the combat in DA2. That doesn't mean DA2's combat good, only that I enjoy it more.

Thank you, for clearing that up

Modifié par Teredan, 30 mai 2011 - 08:21 .

[Maverick827]

Why are people still linking reviews that I refuted months ago. D:

[Mike2640]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...

Not really. I don't see how criticizing the
awful wave combat, lack of choice, and reusing maps
= "CONSOLE-TARDS WON!", and I don't see how people pointing out how
inferior the game was to it's predecessor somehow pushes an agenda.

Probably because I didn't link those complaints with the accusation. Criticising the games legitimate flaws isn't what I'm talking about.

That's what I see most people complaining about. Some are more extreme than others but the only complaint I could see as illegitimate concerning DA2's length (40 hours is a good, meaty package)

Agreed for the most part, but compare something to shovelware and it always
looks good. Resident Evil 5 is better than Big Rigs, that doesn't mean I
would recommend it.

Tell that to the people who rated this game with the same numbers they use on shovelware. That's my point, if you think this game is as bad as shovelware, you don't know what shovelware really is.

The number is always subjective. I wouldn't rate it a one (It's about a 5 for me, personally), but I also didn't shell out 60 bucks for it. I don't feel ripped off by it, because I didn't lose anything. I can imagine people who don't have a lot of cash would feel more extremely about it than I would.

The combat was much worse,
which goes hand in hand with the waves. The wheel is pretty much
subjective, and although I didn't prefer it (I like knowing what I'm
going to say, as well as having more options, even if the differences in
the NPC responses are minimal), but I know there are those that did.

Which is your opinion, not a fact. I don't get your logic, how did the wheel prevent you from knowing what you were going to say. If you're talking about the exact phrases, yeah that is annoying. However that isn't the system's fault, it's the writer's fault for making each choice vague.

The system is intrinsically tied to the paraphrase system, which is inherently flawed. I don't care if it's a wheel/square/triangle/quadrangle, if the system doesn't give me an accurate picture of what my character is saying than it isn't working.

I would love for you to prove that.

See my above post for the obvious signs that everyone else was able to notice, but the people complaining.

Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

Well,
it's got quite a lot to learn from. And I don't think people feel
"smarter" playing Origins, but I certainly felt stupid playing DA2.

If you feel dumb because of a game, than I'm really sorry for you. Neither game made me feel dumb, I was too busy having fun to notice, whether or not the game was validating me.

Perhaps that was a little much, but it was definately not the game I was hoping for. If you had fun, good for you, just understand that many more didn't.

Modifié par Mike2640, 30 mai 2011 - 08:25 .

[FiachSidhe]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Nobody cares about your opinion. You rant about opinions not mattering of the thousand people on these forums but then go on about your opinion. In politics, a lot of the polls they do are only 1k to 2k people, and they use those to represent a lot more than just 1.4 million people in some areas. So the people here are representative of the 1.4 million consumers who bought the game whether you like it or not.

Another thing, someone posted that the xbox360 achievement for beating DA2 was only completed by 48% the other day. That means less than half of the 360 players beat the game. That's more than 1 thousand opinions if you needed a larger poll.

1. Saying nobody cares, is an obvious sign of a person, whose opinions can not stand on their own.
2. Saying such, and then launching into a diatribe over said opinions, you claim apathy towards, is just about the opposite of what you would do, if you actually didn't care.
So right off the bat, you come off desperate and disengenuous, and expect the remainder of what you're about to write to be taken serously.
3. I can't even begin to tell you how many things are wrong with the bolded line. Other than an obvious lack of understanding on everything involved.
4. Correction, those X-Box owners whose consoles are hooked up to the internet have been recorded. Meaning this proves very little.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[Droma]

Teredan wrote...

Droma wrote...

again, this forum is in no way represantive (as much as polls are, you americans should know that with your donald trump for president eraly 2011 polls =D). the problem is this forum is mainly visited by pc gamers and therefore not represantive (especially when the game only sold ~ 300k units to pc out of the 1,4m it sold). also great example of yours and shows how biased you are. taking a statistic of 48% of people not completing the game is proof for you that they all hated it? great the on the same logic 52% of the people (which is btw ~400k people) really loved that game!so the poll was still won by people who enjoyed the game by your own logic.

Again way to black and white, not even the developers can agree with you. Someone from Bioware once stated how all fan opinions are equally valid(not to confuse with equally helpful) which means they are indeed representative in some way. How much they weight is up to the developers to consider.

hm maybe i'm wrong about the meaing of represantive (could be, english is not my mother language x_X) or you are. my point is and was, that i think it is wrong to asume the majority of the people who played da2 didn't like it, just because it's the common tone at this forum and metacritics user review. but i'm out of the conversation for now, it's getting kinda late over here =D

[Typhaeon]

This is a fine thread to point out that smudboy's five-part analysis of Dragon Age 2 has been finished. Very little of what he has to say seems to be based on "it sucks because it's different than DA:O".

All five, in sequence, are very much worth watching, and are absolutely crucial insofar as plot and story-oriented critique are concerned:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3c0cwfyWXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4d5k7CsmXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHMY5t-YWVY

Modifié par Typhaeon, 30 mai 2011 - 08:37 .

[Shirosaki17]

Droma wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Droma wrote...

only because everyone on this forum and/or metacritics bash this game doesn't make it the majority of the people. there are at least 1,4m people out there who bought the game so what's the matter with the ~1000 people posting here? it says nothing about how many hated or liked the game.

and i allways think the combat actually was worse for pc gamers. i recently read that pc gamers don't have the aiming camera for aoe spells, which is quite weird. but let's face it. many people here on these forums and over there at metacritics are pc gamers. and da:o combat was optimized for those (personally i'm having a very hard time playing da:o now after i played da2, cause the combat is too slow and doesn't make that much fun on consoles imo). da2 has a great combat on consoles but i can understand that it may suck playing it with your mouse and keyboard. but on consoles it's a lot of fun. and the majority of da2 gamers or consoleros (that's a fact =D).

i have to say the legandary awesome button worked good for me. i also had more fun without auto attack then with it. it's a different feeling on consoles, especially with rumble. you get these BAM IN YOUR FACE feeling everytime your controller shakes and you know you critted an enemy to death. but you loose all that on the pc, i can kinda understand how the combat sucks for pc gamers.

Nobody cares about your opinion. You rant about opinions not mattering of the thousand people on these forums but then go on about your opinion. In politics, a lot of the polls they do are only 1k to 2k people, and they use those to represent a lot more than just 1.4 million people in some areas. So the people here are representative of the 1.4 million consumers who bought the game whether you like it or not.

Another thing, someone posted that the xbox360 achievement for beating DA2 was only completed by 48% the other day. That means less than half of the 360 players beat the game. That's more than 1 thousand opinions if you needed a larger poll.

again, this forum is in no way represantive (as much as polls are, you americans should know that with your donald trump for president eraly 2011 polls =D). the problem is this forum is mainly visited by pc gamers and therefore not represantive (especially when the game only sold ~ 300k units to pc out of the 1,4m it sold). also great example of yours and shows how biased you are. taking a statistic of 48% of people not completing the game is proof for you that they all hated it? great the on the same logic 52% of the people (which is btw ~400k people) really loved that game!so the poll was still won by people who enjoyed the game by your own logic.

I wrote that wrong. 48 percent of people got the achievement for beating the game. 52% didn't. Half playing a game like DA2 to completion, that was easier and shorter than DA:O is not good. I don't know in what world you think half your consumers fully enjoyed a product is good. Also, there are plenty of people on these forums who have completed the game and didn't like it. So there is likely far more than half that didn't like DA2 compared to Origins, or just as a game in general.

Also the idea that most people on here are PC gamers is false just because most are on PCs in the forums. And another thing, that doesn't make the general consensus here biased in any way or their opinion matter less. All you're doing is insulting people by making stupid comments like that.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[Stanley Woo]

We're starting to get personal here, folks. Let's take it down a couple of notches, please.