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[FiachSidhe]

Mike2640 wrote...
Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

It's not the accuracy of the scores, it's the obvious amount of spite that goes into people joining a website and "reviewing" the same game on PC, XBox AND PS3. The desire to spead the hate as far as possible eliminates any sincerity.

I'm not saying that every negative review there was made out of spite, only that 4Chan invaded the place and did a really sloppy job of covering it up.
When you have a dozen 0/10 reviews all spring up at the same time, something is wrong. When some of those reviews are copy pasted into more than one platform entry?
Some weren't even paying attention long enough, to move the slider away from 10. So you have dozens of reviews calling it crap with perfect 10 ratings. Because they were bombing the site.
It wasn't even good enough to leave their reviews, they spent hours mass downvoting any review resembling praise.

This not only makes the game look worse than it is, but it also devalues every legitimate negative review. None of these raid reviews featured an iota of positivity, or even objective opinion, and focused entirely on the negative.

It's no different than the people who gave this game a perfect 10. Both are disengenuous.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 08:44 .

[Shirosaki17]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...
Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

It's not the accuracy of the scores, it's the obvious amount of spite that goes into people joining a website and "reviewing" the same game on PC, XBox AND PS3. The desire to spead the hate as far as possible eliminates any sincerity.

I'm not saying that every negative review there was made out of spite, only that 4Chan invaded the place and did a really sloppy job of covering it up.
When you have a dozen 0/10 reviews all spring up at the same time, something is wrong. When some of those reviews are copy pasted into more than one platform entry?
Some weren't even paying attention long enough, to move the slider away from 10. So you have dozens of reviews calling it crap with perfect 10 ratings. Because they were bombing the site.
It wasn't even good enough to leave their reviews, they spent hours mass downvoting any review resembling praise.

This not only makes the game look worse than it is, but it also devalues every legitimate negative review. None of these raid reviews featured an iota of positivity, focused entirely on the nagative. It's no different than the people who gave this game a perfect 10. Both are disengenuous.

You can say the same thing about people who gave it scores of 10 on multiplatforms. Also there were some people who also gave it 0s or 1s on one platform and 10s on others who also gave positive reviews. You don't get cookies for making a point about one thing while disregarding the exact thing happening on the other side of things.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 08:42 .

[Typhaeon]

Stop talking at each other about mushy relativism and start actually responding to or offering legitimate critical reviews, per the actual topic.

See plot analysis video series posted on previous page, for example.  Astounding it hasn't been posted here when the Mass Effect 2 series he did got much more coverage.

Modifié par Typhaeon, 30 mai 2011 - 08:45 .

[FiachSidhe]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...
Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

It's not the accuracy of the scores, it's the obvious amount of spite that goes into people joining a website and "reviewing" the same game on PC, XBox AND PS3. The desire to spead the hate as far as possible eliminates any sincerity.

I'm not saying that every negative review there was made out of spite, only that 4Chan invaded the place and did a really sloppy job of covering it up.
When you have a dozen 0/10 reviews all spring up at the same time, something is wrong. When some of those reviews are copy pasted into more than one platform entry?
Some weren't even paying attention long enough, to move the slider away from 10. So you have dozens of reviews calling it crap with perfect 10 ratings. Because they were bombing the site.
It wasn't even good enough to leave their reviews, they spent hours mass downvoting any review resembling praise.

This not only makes the game look worse than it is, but it also devalues every legitimate negative review. None of these raid reviews featured an iota of positivity, focused entirely on the nagative. It's no different than the people who gave this game a perfect 10. Both are disengenuous.

You can say the same thing about people who gave it scores of 10 on multiplatforms. Also there were some people who also gave it 0s or 1s on one platform and 10s on others who also gave positive reviews. You don't get cookies for making a point about one thing while disregarding the exact thing happening on the other side of things.

You can actually read what I wrote. ALL of it. Including the last line I just bolded and underlined for you.

[Aesieru]

If 10 is excellent 9 is great 8 is good and 7 is fair, this game is barely fair...

I saw no enjoyment in it.

Am I a raving lunatic?

[FiachSidhe]

Aesieru wrote...

If 10 is excellent 9 is great 8 is good and 7 is fair, this game is barely fair...

I saw no enjoyment in it.

Am I a raving lunatic?

No. You're a person who simply didn't enjoy a game.

[Typhaeon]

It's not that you didn't enjoy the game that's important. What is important is that you can legitimize that opinion with reasons why you didn't enjoy various aspects of the game, comparisons to other games that have better implementations of the mechanics, plot, characterizations, etc you didn't like, and so forth.

Too many people nowadays don't bother applying critical thought to the media they consume.  Naturally, most of the people who accept media uncritically arrive at a vaguely positive impression thereof, since the purely subjective, unsubstantiated approach they use doesn't afford the formation of standards, or analysis.

Modifié par Typhaeon, 30 mai 2011 - 08:56 .

[Aesieru]

The Witcher 2... and yes I know, that's expected to be used but honestly... I hate the Witcher and I thought I'd love DA 2 and hate The Witcher 2... and... that was the opposite.

I've played the top games, for nearly 10 - 12 years straight... I know what's good, what's bad for this generation of gaming, and some of the past generations... this game was a chore to work through, it actually felt like work... much like The Witcher original did, because of the constant crashes every 20 minutes and generic and poor story (my opinion, but I hated it).

I feel this is like Supreme Commander 2, lack of skill and complexity and just a point to finish the game to figure out what the real point was... only to realize... nothing, though granted Supreme Commander 2 did actually END versus this.

The implementation issues for this game in more logical analysis are simple:

They decided to change it to a more (not mainstream) but... cartoony style (kind of like what Starcraft 2 did and what the beta of Starcraft 2 did worse) and focused on rushing it out and doing the least possible amount of work to ship it successfully.

That's my opinion... the solution?

Honestly I hate to say it... but it looks like EA was the problem, yes they got into Mass Effect the original just as it was finished so they could throw their name on it, and yes they had influence on ME 2, but... DA 1 and DA 2... are just massive changes and you can use the "we want more money and are greedy and want more people" line if you like, but if that was really the case... they'd have said that many years ago... and they didn't... they were a company instead that made good games.

Quality control flunked... and some stupid decisions on making things easier, simpler, and more hack-slash were used instead of logic.

A full analysis? I'm not sure.

But I would SAY in my opinion, that a game with 100's of awards and that makes Game of the Year, sells a lot more copies than a game that has two sides on the fence and one side that mostly hates it and an unknown-sized group that liked it because they like more casual-rpg's or just the easier style...

I want to see the REAL statistics on how much money DA made and how much DA2 made and how much they both cost.

THAT is the information you put out to your investors so that they can see EXACTLY what the difference is.

[Teredan]

Droma wrote...

hm maybe i'm wrong about the meaing of represantive (could be, english is not my mother language x_X) or you are. my point is and was, that i think it is wrong to asume the majority of the people who played da2 didn't like it, just because it's the common tone at this forum and metacritics user review. but i'm out of the conversation for now, it's getting kinda late over here =D

That I could agree with, that said it's also true for the opposite(It's also wrong to assume that the majority of the people liked DA2 only because(just hypothetically) no one complains . Fact is we only know what the reviewers think and what the people on the forum think. Bioware might know more from their play statistics.

Typhaeon wrote...

It's not that you didn't enjoy the game
that's important. What is important is that you can legitimize that
opinion with reasons why you didn't enjoy various aspects of the game,
comparisons to other games that have better implementations of the
mechanics, plot, characterizations, etc you didn't like, and so forth.

Too
many people nowadays don't bother applying critical thought to the
media they consume.  Naturally, most of the people who accept media
uncritically arrive at a vaguely positive impression thereof, since the
purely subjective, unsubstantiated approach they use doesn't afford the
formation of standards, or analysis.

It's so encouraging reading post like these, thank you. It's always nice to see that reasonable people still exists int hese forums

Modifié par Teredan, 30 mai 2011 - 09:02 .

[Nerevar-as]

Aesieru wrote...

I want to see the REAL statistics on how much money DA made and how much DA2 made and how much they both cost.

THAT is the information you put out to your investors so that they can see EXACTLY what the difference is.

I understand appeasing the investors, but if they manage to turn away the old customers and fail to get new ones, what good is that? If ME3 fails BW is going to be in real trouble, and what EA says to investors usually turns buyers away.

[Aesieru]

Actually, SWTOR is their trump card right now, they... uh... well...

That's got potential for billions.

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Also, my reason for desiring that investment information was because I wanted to see exactly what the real difference was, and if DA 2 actually made them any more money or numerous more consumers, or if it didn't, because if it didn't... they need to eat their words and say they were wrong.

Time to fess up.

Modifié par Aesieru, 30 mai 2011 - 09:14 .

[Shirosaki17]

FiachSidhe wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...
Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

It's not the accuracy of the scores, it's the obvious amount of spite that goes into people joining a website and "reviewing" the same game on PC, XBox AND PS3. The desire to spead the hate as far as possible eliminates any sincerity.

I'm not saying that every negative review there was made out of spite, only that 4Chan invaded the place and did a really sloppy job of covering it up.
When you have a dozen 0/10 reviews all spring up at the same time, something is wrong. When some of those reviews are copy pasted into more than one platform entry?
Some weren't even paying attention long enough, to move the slider away from 10. So you have dozens of reviews calling it crap with perfect 10 ratings. Because they were bombing the site.
It wasn't even good enough to leave their reviews, they spent hours mass downvoting any review resembling praise.

This not only makes the game look worse than it is, but it also devalues every legitimate negative review. None of these raid reviews featured an iota of positivity, focused entirely on the nagative. It's no different than the people who gave this game a perfect 10. Both are disengenuous.

You can say the same thing about people who gave it scores of 10 on multiplatforms. Also there were some people who also gave it 0s or 1s on one platform and 10s on others who also gave positive reviews. You don't get cookies for making a point about one thing while disregarding the exact thing happening on the other side of things.

You can actually read what I wrote. ALL of it. Including the last line I just bolded and underlined for you.

I don't care about that bolded statement. You spent a lot of time focusing on the 0s and saying that there was a 4chan raid while ignoring the same thing on the other side.

4chan didn't invade metacritc. The community is just less forgiving over there. They don't like a game they give it a 0 or 1, if you like the game you give it a 10. Just more people didn't like it so the score went down below 5. This idea that 4chan kept the user score down for months is stupid. There's also no proof that they even planned a raid on their website. And even if they did, the score hasn't moved up in 3 months since the release of the game and the supposed raid. So if there was a majority that liked it why haven't they outweighed the initial negative scores from raids on the release day bringing the score up to like a 7 or even above 5 at the very least? There are a ton more reviews on metacritic than there were at release when this supposed raid happened. Are you implying that 4chan raided metacritic multiple times?

The whole review system is screwed in general. Mediocre games get 7.5 to 8 on reviews sites. Reviewers complaining about bad bugs and design decisions, with little positive to say about the game still giving the game 8.0 to 8.5 because it's a title from a big company. Bad games should get below 5. Mediocre, average games should get 5.

What's the point of having a 1-10 scale if you never use 1-5? If games can't get 0 or 1 for being bad, then games should never get 9 or 10 for being great.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 09:26 .

[Aesieru]

I've rated very few games low ratings...

Super Solvers: Gizmos & Gadgets 6.5
Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense 6.5
Dragon Age: Origins - Witch Hunt 6.5
Halo Wars 6.5
The Lord of the Rings: Conquest 6.5
Chromehounds 6.5
Shadowrun 6.5
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow 6.5
Star Wars: Episode I Racer 6.5
Universe at War: Earth Assault 6.5
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 6.5
Black & White 2 - Battle of the Gods 6.5
Phantasy Star Universe 6.5
Wave Race 64 6.5
X3: Reunion 6.5
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition 6.5
F.E.A.R. 6.5
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath 6.5
Dragon Age: Origins - Golems of Amgarrak 6.5
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent 6.5
PlanetSide: Aftershock 6.5
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 6.5
Twisted Metal 2 6.5
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back 6.5
Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun - Firestorm 6.5
Mass Effect 2: The Price of Revenge 6.5
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II 6.5
James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire 6.5
007: The World is Not Enough 6.5
Mega Man Legends 6.5
Mercenaries 6.5
Stranglehold 6.5
Marvel vs. Capcom 6.5
Quake 4 6.5
Super Mario Sunshine 6.5
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 6.5
EVE Online 6.5
Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns 6.5
Warhammer: Mark of Chaos 6.5
Counter-Strike: Source 6.5
Resistance 2 6.5
Mass Effect 2: The Price of Revenge 6.5
Crystal Quest 6.5
Crash Bandicoot 6.5
Overlord II 6.5
Emperor: Battle for Dune 6.5
Twisted Metal 6.5
Future Cop: L.A.P.D. 6.0
Comanche 4 6.0
Mass Effect 2: Arrival 6.0
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II 6.0
Mass Effect 2: Arrival 6.0
Mass Effect 2: Kasumi - Stolen Memory 6.0
Mirror's Edge 6.0
PlayStation Home 6.0
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth 6.0
Magic: The Gathering - Battlegrounds 6.0
Contra 6.0
Duck Hunt 6.0
Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows 6.0
Pokemon Stadium 6.0
Dead Rising 6.0
Undertow 6.0
Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 6.0
Worms Armageddon 6.0
Star Trek: Legacy 6.0
Eragon 6.0
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 6.0
Earth & Beyond 6.0
Fallout 3: The Pitt 6.0
Killzone 2 6.0
Delta Force - Black Hawk Down: Team Sabre 6.0
Fallout 3: Mothership Zeta 6.0
The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena 6.0
Diablo 6.0
Killzone 5.5
Fallout 3: Point Lookout 5.5
Disciples II: Dark Prophecy 5.5
Delta Force: Black Hawk Down 5.5
SimCity 2000 5.5
Red Steel 5.0
Starship Troopers (2000) 5.0
Saints Row 5.0
Doom 5.0
Mass Effect 2: Normandy Crash Site 5.0
Mass Effect 2: Firewalker 5.0
Mass Effect 2: Firewalker 5.0
Avatar: The Last Airbender 5.0
Pariah 5.0
Mass Effect 2: Normandy Crash Site 5.0
Dash of Destruction 4.5
Jersey Devil 4.5
Smash TV 4.0
Hacker Evolution 4.0
Tenchu Z 4.0
EverQuest II 4.0
Bullet Witch 3.5
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir 3.0

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Storms of Zehir is the lowest rating I can give.

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What the Numbers Mean:
Here's how the overall rating ranges break down.

10.0: Prime
-This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.
9.0-9.5: Superb
- We absolutely recommend any game in this range, especially to fans of that particular genre. However, games that score in the 9 range are also typically well suited to new players. Games that earn 9s are naturally uncommon, and earn GameSpot's Editors' Choice Award for their outstanding quality.
8.0-8.5: Great
- This range refers to great games that are excellent in almost every way and whose few setbacks probably aren't too important. We highly recommend games in the upper half of this range, since they tend to be good enough to provide an enjoyable experience to fans of the particular genre and to new players alike.
7.0-7.5: Good
-A game within this range is good overall, and likely worth playing by fans of the particular genre or by those otherwise interested. While its strengths outweigh its weaknesses, a game that falls in this range tends to have noticeable faults.
6.0-6.5: Fair
- Games that earn 6-range ratings have certain good qualities but significant problems as well. These games may well be worth playing, but you should approach them with caution.
5.0-5.5: Mediocre
- A 5-range score refers to a game that's "merely average" in the negative sense. These games tend to have enough major weaknesses to considerably outweigh their strengths. There's probably a substantially better, similar game out there for you.
4.0-4.5: Poor
- Games that just don't work right and maybe didn't spend enough time in production tend to fall in to this category. They simply lack the cohesion and quality that make other games fun.
3.0-3.5: Bad
- You probably shouldn't get too close to a game in this range. Any of its positive qualities most likely serve only to make the rest of it seem even more disappointing.
2.0-2.5: Terrible
- Beware, for a game in this range is almost entirely devoid of any remotely decent or fully functional features.
1.0-1.5: Abysmal
- Ouch. The rare game that falls in this lowest-of-the-low range has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Don't play this game.


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That's how GameSpot ranks things... I think 5's for average is a bit bad.

Modifié par Aesieru, 30 mai 2011 - 09:39 .

[Stanley Woo]

Again, since it looks like my post on the last page was missed, I would encourage folks to dial the accusations down a couple of notches and let's not make our disagreements personal. Thank you.

[FiachSidhe]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...

Mike2640 wrote...
Just because you don't think it's an accurate score doesn't mean everyone agrees. Last time I checked, DA2 was sitting cozy at 4.7ish. That sounds about right, in my opinion, if a little low. Yeah, there are fake ones in there, but the people giving it 10s balance it out.

It's not the accuracy of the scores, it's the obvious amount of spite that goes into people joining a website and "reviewing" the same game on PC, XBox AND PS3. The desire to spead the hate as far as possible eliminates any sincerity.

I'm not saying that every negative review there was made out of spite, only that 4Chan invaded the place and did a really sloppy job of covering it up.
When you have a dozen 0/10 reviews all spring up at the same time, something is wrong. When some of those reviews are copy pasted into more than one platform entry?
Some weren't even paying attention long enough, to move the slider away from 10. So you have dozens of reviews calling it crap with perfect 10 ratings. Because they were bombing the site.
It wasn't even good enough to leave their reviews, they spent hours mass downvoting any review resembling praise.

This not only makes the game look worse than it is, but it also devalues every legitimate negative review. None of these raid reviews featured an iota of positivity, focused entirely on the nagative. It's no different than the people who gave this game a perfect 10. Both are disengenuous.

You can say the same thing about people who gave it scores of 10 on multiplatforms. Also there were some people who also gave it 0s or 1s on one platform and 10s on others who also gave positive reviews. You don't get cookies for making a point about one thing while disregarding the exact thing happening on the other side of things.

You can actually read what I wrote. ALL of it. Including the last line I just bolded and underlined for you.

I don't care about that bolded statement.

Heh...WOW.
Gotta be honest, you probbaly should. It... sorta makes you look ignorant.
The bolded statement proves you couldn't even be bothered to read, what you so smuggly were trying to call me on.

You can make up all sorts of excuses, that rationalize what you wrote, but it doesn't matter.
You said it yourself, you don't care. Why should I (or anyone) care enough to even bother reading what you wrote after that, if you can't even be bothered to read the one line that would have avoided you opening your mouth and removing all doubt?

I'm sorry if I didn't devote a huge chunk of my posts to how 10/10 scores are ridiculous (and they are, I always skip right past them for any game).
Oh wait, no, I'm really, really not.
I mentioned it, you failed to read it, tried to throw it in my face, and now make excuses as to why it's not good enough. So I'll do you the same courtesy you did me, Instead of ignoring one line of mine, I'll ignore all but one line of yours.

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 09:45 .

[FiachSidhe]

Sorry I didn't notice the above warning. I'll dial it back.

[Aesieru]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I've seen a 10 / 10 once in my life... it was worth it.

I wouldn't skip them from reputable reviewers.

[FiachSidhe]

Aesieru wrote...

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I've seen a 10 / 10 once in my life... it was worth it.

I wouldn't skip them from reputable reviewers.

I enjoy irony too much, and to be fair, I think the world will survive. After all, you can't blind an eyeless man.

[Shirosaki17]

FiachSidhe wrote...
Heh...WOW.
Gotta be honest, you probbaly should. It... sorta makes you look ignorant.
The bolded statement proves you couldn't even be bothered to read, what you so smuggly were trying to call me on.

You can make up all sorts of excuses, that rationalize what you wrote, but it doesn't matter.
You said it yourself, you don't care. Why should I (or anyone) care enough to even bother reading what you wrote after that, if you can't even be bothered to read the one line that would have avoided you opening your mouth and removing all doubt?

I'm sorry if I didn't devote a huge chunk of my posts to how 10/10 scores are ridiculous (and they are, I always skip right past them for any game).
Oh wait, no, I'm really, really not.
I mentioned it, you failed to read it, tried to throw it in my face, and now make excuses as to why it's not good enough. So I'll do you the same courtesy you did me, Instead of ignoring one line of mine, I'll ignore all but one line of yours.

Anymore ignorant than someone who makes up stuff about 4chan raids?

*Not intended to be a factual statement.*

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 09:53 .

[ToJKa1]

Aesieru wrote...

...
Doom 5.0
...

Well, that i don't understand. It has no serious bugs, the gameplay is simple but addictive and challenging, even it's graphics with modern resolutions are perfectly passable. I should know, i still play it regularly to keep my reaction times up and have legitimate reason to whine how easy games nowadays are

If it was Doom3 i would understand, though disagree...

-ToJKa, still a wannabe doomgod (it's what the best Doom players were called back in the day).

Meanwhile, on topic...
I still hold the position that both sides on this debate take it to ridiculous extremes. It's game, not a matter of life and death. Thus i was able to enjoy DA2 enough to not regret it's purchase.

[Aesieru]

To be honest, there was a 4chan raid in the first days of release...

Just like the 4chan release of the story which was incredibly idiotic, and ... well incorrect.

Everyone knew this then, and even BioWare referenced it and had to defend themselves against it and initiate numerous bans just like metacritic had to reset the rating.

[Aesieru]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

...
Doom 5.0
...

Well, that i don't understand. It has no serious bugs, the gameplay is simple but addictive and challenging, even it's graphics with modern resolutions are perfectly passable. I should know, i still play it regularly to keep my reaction times up and have legitimate reason to whine how easy games nowadays are

If it was Doom3 i would understand, though disagree...

-ToJKa, still a wannabe doomgod (it's what the best Doom players were called back in the day).

Meanwhile, on topic...
I still hold the position that both sides on this debate take it to ridiculous extremes. It's game, not a matter of life and death. Thus i was able to enjoy DA2 enough to not regret it's purchase.

I liked Doom 3 better... at the time I played it it was just... tedious, I played it in 2009... so you can probably understand my point on that... games change based off of when you first played them, I skipped out on Doom and Quake the originals.

Also, I played it on Xbox Live for Arcade.

Oh, and I agree with you in games are for fun, but I couldn't enjoy this game.

[FiachSidhe]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

FiachSidhe wrote...
Heh...WOW.
Gotta be honest, you probbaly should. It... sorta makes you look ignorant.
The bolded statement proves you couldn't even be bothered to read, what you so smuggly were trying to call me on.

You can make up all sorts of excuses, that rationalize what you wrote, but it doesn't matter.
You said it yourself, you don't care. Why should I (or anyone) care enough to even bother reading what you wrote after that, if you can't even be bothered to read the one line that would have avoided you opening your mouth and removing all doubt?

I'm sorry if I didn't devote a huge chunk of my posts to how 10/10 scores are ridiculous (and they are, I always skip right past them for any game).
Oh wait, no, I'm really, really not.
I mentioned it, you failed to read it, tried to throw it in my face, and now make excuses as to why it's not good enough. So I'll do you the same courtesy you did me, Instead of ignoring one line of mine, I'll ignore all but one line of yours.

Anymore ignorant than someone who makes up stuff about 4chan raids?

*Not intended to be a factual statement.*

When the information that proves you wrong, is literally a milimeter from your own response, blatantly announcing the absence of said information? Yeah, just a bit.

You can prove me wrong, as easily as I can prove myself right at this point. Seeing as it is an old event and nothing remains on 4chan for more than 30 seconds. I distinctly remember people referencing the raid, back when this game released. Even if people did retaliate by doing the same thing, it was still to COUNTER spiteful players wanting to ruin a game's sales.

So, I fail to see how you have an argument other than "My lack of proof trumps yours".

Modifié par FiachSidhe, 30 mai 2011 - 10:05 .

[Shirosaki17]

Aesieru wrote...

To be honest, there was a 4chan raid in the first days of release...

Just like the 4chan release of the story which was incredibly idiotic, and ... well incorrect.

Everyone knew this then, and even BioWare referenced it and had to defend themselves against it and initiate numerous bans just like metacritic had to reset the rating.

Where's the evidence? One Bioware employee mentioned it but didn't provide a source for it. Also the ratings in the first few days were small compared to where they are now. So this idea that 4chan had a negative affect on that score is ludicrous. I'd like to see some proof though that they organized some sort of raid on there. I've seen none.

[Realmzmaster]

Aesieru wrote...

The Witcher 2... and yes I know, that's expected to be used but honestly... I hate the Witcher and I thought I'd love DA 2 and hate The Witcher 2... and... that was the opposite.

I've played the top games, for nearly 10 - 12 years straight... I know what's good, what's bad for this generation of gaming, and some of the past generations... this game was a chore to work through, it actually felt like work... much like The Witcher original did, because of the constant crashes every 20 minutes and generic and poor story (my opinion, but I hated it).

I feel this is like Supreme Commander 2, lack of skill and complexity and just a point to finish the game to figure out what the real point was... only to realize... nothing, though granted Supreme Commander 2 did actually END versus this.

The implementation issues for this game in more logical analysis are simple:

They decided to change it to a more (not mainstream) but... cartoony style (kind of like what Starcraft 2 did and what the beta of Starcraft 2 did worse) and focused on rushing it out and doing the least possible amount of work to ship it successfully.

That's my opinion... the solution?

Honestly I hate to say it... but it looks like EA was the problem, yes they got into Mass Effect the original just as it was finished so they could throw their name on it, and yes they had influence on ME 2, but... DA 1 and DA 2... are just massive changes and you can use the "we want more money and are greedy and want more people" line if you like, but if that was really the case... they'd have said that many years ago... and they didn't... they were a company instead that made good games.

Quality control flunked... and some stupid decisions on making things easier, simpler, and more hack-slash were used instead of logic.

A full analysis? I'm not sure.

But I would SAY in my opinion, that a game with 100's of awards and that makes Game of the Year, sells a lot more copies than a game that has two sides on the fence and one side that mostly hates it and an unknown-sized group that liked it because they like more casual-rpg's or just the easier style...

I want to see the REAL statistics on how much money DA made and how much DA2 made and how much they both cost.

THAT is the information you put out to your investors so that they can see EXACTLY what the difference is.

EA ia the problem? Without EA, DAO and other Bioware games do not see the light of day. Bioware was running out of money unable to market its product to the point Elevation Partners (equity firm) had to invest over $300 million dollars and combined them with Pandemic Studios into a new parntnership called VG Holding Corp. The partnership even with the investment started losing money. EA bought VG Holding from Elevation Partners for  $860 Million. Elevation Partners took the money which is what equity firm's do to invest in other endeavors.

DAO put a drain on Bioware with its 5 year development time especially if you do not have revenue coming in to support that development.

Now it may be that EA needs to leave the design decisions and development time to Bioware, but it is not unreasonable for EA to expect a return on its investment, It is not unreasonable to expect Bioware to broaden its audience.