TobiTobsen wrote...
ReiSilver wrote...
.... no character arc? Did you pay attention to him at all? Fenris grows more as a person then possibly anyone else in the game (Anders has a lot of changes but it's sadly all a downward spiral) He goes from being a loner who gets flustered at a little flirt, to someone with friends and a sex life (if not Hawke then Isabella). He goes from being illiterate to literate, from someone who runs to someone who will stand and fight come end game, whether it's by your side because you got his trust/respect, or against you to protect the place he considers his home.
Not liking his character arc is not the same as it not existing
Well it depends on how you play your game.
If you romance Isabela, Donnic seems to be the only one who is hanging around with Fenris and that only it you help Aveline marrying him.
Without flirting with him when you give him the book he still stays illiterate and just thanks you for the gesture.
Sadly, because of his "Slavery is bad! Except with mages!" attitude, it's rather easy to have him in the middle of the whole friendship/rivalry bar and if I remember correctly he isn't exactly fighting for the defense of his new home. He is just fighting because he has another "Mages can't be allowed to be free. They will just turn this place in another Tevinter" moment.
So ThePhoenixKing isn't really wrong. Fenris can develop over the course of the game, but he also can stay the same. It's just a question of how you play your Hawke.
See, that's not true at all, and neither is TPK's assessment. Even if you romance Isabela, Aveline and Donic pal around with him, Sebastian hang's out with him, and Varric and he are the Legolas/Gimli of the group. Isabela isn't the only person in the whole game, but even a romanced Isabela plays cards with him. In fact the only two people of Hawke's crew who pointedly do not hang out with Fenris, are Merrill and Anders --- and if they happen to be with Hawke/someone else when Fenris is around - well, there you go. I expect Merrill does a lot more hanging out around Fenris then the game lets on, because she spends a lot of time with Varric and Isabela.
As with full friendship or full rivalry, its actually very easy to hit 50% one way or the other by act one with out metagaming and bringing his butt along for everything. Just being pro-mage is enough to push his rivalry pretty high. Hell if you are a mage/defend a mage in the first scene you get any real dialog options with im (After denarius' mansion fight) you can rack up upwards of 25 rivalry points just by telling him your Hawke is out for power, or telling him you're not going to tell him, or just sticking up for your sister/Anders/Merrill.
In fact the only way Fenris stays very middle-of-the-bar is if you pointedly do not bring him along for a lot of things (and say, take Aveline instead). this was what happened to me in my first PT. I took Aveline, because I was of the mindset that tank = good. It didn't dawn on me till playthrough three that I could use Fenris as a tank (and he does more damage while doing so, which makes him much better suited for the task) and still max Aveline's friendship out before the end of act 2 with out any real effort (Aka, just bring her along for HER quests.) Besides, it never did make much sence to me to be draging the Captian of the Guard all over town when she's suposed to be working ;p
And to top it all off -- Fenris is an optional character. You don't have to do his quest. At the end of his quest you can tell him "no thank you" and never have to worry about him again. If you do take him, in act 2 you can refuse to go after Hadriana and he'll eventually just leave on his own. In act 3 you can even give him back to his master (for a lousy 5 gold). Optional.
Modifié par Heidenreich, 05 septembre 2011 - 02:02 .
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I tend to come off more combatitive then I actually am. 
