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[ADLegend21]

no, it's not a "oh look this thread again" just an observation. I'm doing an insanity run on ME1 and when you meet Garrus when he's trying to stall the council and you choose the "you blew it" dialogue option he says:
"Saren's a spectre,most of his actions are classified"

When you ask TIM about oyur squad from the first game and you choose Ashley or Kaidan he goes "they're still with the Alliance, but their file is surprisingly well classified." This make sme believe that by the time Shepard is revived the VS is already a spectre meaning that they were targeted as a candidate before Shepard's death or Shepard probably was able to vouche for them as one during the month between the battle of the citadel and the Collector attack on the Normandy. Of course TIM could just be lying about them since they are a possible LI and he lied about Liara working with the Shadow broker since she's an LI as well, but it'd be nice to hear that they were a spectre before Shepard came back so it would feel moer legitimate than them being promoted just to keep an eye on Shepard.

[amcnow]

Shepard was dead for over two years. The VS becoming a Spectre solely to replace Shepard is just as plausible.

Also, TiM isn't exactly the paragon of truth (or beauty for that matter)...

[MizzNaaa]

That's what I think too AD, AND on Horizon they say "I'll go report back to the Council" if they're just Alliance, why would they report to the council? huh?huh?huh?

Anyway, Ash and Kaidan imo are more than qualified to be spectres, also it makes perfect sense that more human spectres join with a human councilor getting on board, or a human-lead council if you let the council die.

Ash and Kaidan were working with Shepard and are heroes. Of course, them being spectre doesn't make all of those Mary sues/Gary stues out there oh-so-special anymore, and they feel threatened

/rant

[DPSSOC]

I could see this for Kaidan, but Ash being a Spectre at all just doesn't seem to fit. In ME1 I got the impression that Shepard received some kind of endorsement from the Alliance to get the position along with Nihlus'. Kaidan and Ash could easily get Shepard's thumbs up but I don't see Ash getting any backing from the Alliance. If Kaidan survives he's jumped 2 ranks in 2 years while Ash has only gone up 1, this would seem to imply that despite her work with Shepard, the Alliance still has the same old attitude toward a Williams.

I suppose Anderson could have pulled strings to do it but I dunno.

[scampermax]

MizzNaaa wrote...
Ash and Kaidan were working with Shepard and are heroes. Of course, them being spectre doesn't make all of those Mary sues/Gary stues out there oh-so-special anymore, and they feel threatened

that's too bad. For my part I'm looking forward to the VS being a fellow Spectre. My femShep and Ashley made a great team in ME1 and I'm hoping it will be the same in ME3.

[sesheta255]

I can see Kaidan being a spectre, he's a stable and strong biotic with a bunch of special commendations, but Ash is basically just a grunt who has mostly served on backwater human colonies apart from being in Shepard's team during ME1. It just doesn't fit to me that she would have the experience or backing for spectre status.

[Clonedzero]

everytime this thread pops up everyone always stupidly forgets that theres 2 whole years worth of time for the VS to accomplish spectre worthy badassery.

i mean do you really think ashley just sat there moping for two years after shepard died?
nah, she was out kicking ass and taking names. anderson himself said they hunted down a ton of geth and would send in strike teams to take them out. i'm willing to bet ashley led a bunch of those seeing as she's an expert and extremely experienced in fighting geth.

fighting the geth and being on shepards team put her on the councils radar. it makes perfect sense.

[Randy1012]

sesheta255 wrote...

I can see Kaidan being a spectre, he's a stable and strong biotic with a bunch of special commendations, but Ash is basically just a grunt who has mostly served on backwater human colonies apart from being in Shepard's team during ME1. It just doesn't fit to me that she would have the experience or backing for spectre status.

You don't make Gunnery Chief (and Operations Chief) by sitting around doing nothing, especially when you've got the entire Alliance Military against you because of your name. When you get up to the NCO ranks, you have to earn every one of them. Ash might even have been more experienced in military matters than Kaidan was, if Kaidan started his military career as an officer. Kaidan joined the military in 2173, Ashley in 2174. Ten years later, Kaidan was still just a lieutenant while Ashley had reached one of the most senior enlisted ranks.

Combine that with her pristine record (as mentioned by Shepard in ME1) and her part in stopping Saren and taking down Sovereign, Ashley would be more than qualified to become a Spectre.

Modifié par Randy1083, 30 mai 2011 - 03:54 .

[corporal doody]

amcnow wrote...

Shepard was dead for over two years. The VS becoming a Spectre solely to replace Shepard is just as plausible.

Also, TiM isn't exactly the paragon of truth (or beauty for that matter)...

yeah! and the council had to pick a human to replace Shep!!   Affirmative action and psuedo-nepotism type dealybob going on. VS doesnt get the spot due to merit but by association!!


BAH.

and this is "Another one of those threads"! read the others and you get the same responses everytime...especially from me.

[Siansonea]

Whether it's Kaidan or Ashley, it's still the most prominent human survivor of Shepard's squad. Pressly's dead, and everyone else who was close to Shepard isn't suitable as a candidate for the next human Spectre. After all, the rest of Shepard's squad had other things to do, and weren't human. And which other humans were so prominent in the events surrounding the first human Spectre and the attack on the Citadel which led to Humanity gaining a seat on the Council? Kaidan or Ashley is the natural choice, and Shepard even says that Ashley's record is stellar in spite of her crap assignments and NCO status. Kaidan is a bit more of a no-brainer, being an officer and a biotic, but Ash makes sense too. Ash gets the job done, and that's what the Council looks for.

[Heimdall]

sesheta255 wrote...

I can see Kaidan being a spectre, he's a stable and strong biotic with a bunch of special commendations, but Ash is basically just a grunt who has mostly served on backwater human colonies apart from being in Shepard's team during ME1. It just doesn't fit to me that she would have the experience or backing for spectre status.

  As a former member of Shepard's team, she has more experience than most alliance soldiers, experience in seeing how a spectre handles things (Something almost no humans have), and we must remember that her resume is highly overqualified for her posts.  If only for public approval, the Alliance would back her as the only surviving human crewmate of the "deceased" Shepard.  They could also portray her as redeeming her grandfather's surrender, great PR stuff.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 30 mai 2011 - 12:31 .

[corporal doody]

Clonedzero wrote...

everytime this thread pops up everyone always stupidly forgets that theres 2 whole years worth of time for the VS to accomplish spectre worthy badassery.

i mean do you really think ashley just sat there moping for two years after shepard died?
nah, she was out kicking ass and taking names. anderson himself said they hunted down a ton of geth and would send in strike teams to take them out. i'm willing to bet ashley led a bunch of those seeing as she's an expert and extremely experienced in fighting geth.

fighting the geth and being on shepards team put her on the councils radar. it makes perfect sense.

and there is more than enough evidence in ME2 to suggest that they ARE NOT spectres. if VS to Spectre were to happen..it would be during ME3...or Bioware is gonna have some serious splainin to do!!

[Someone With Mass]

sesheta255 wrote...

I can see Kaidan being a spectre, he's a stable and strong biotic with a bunch of special commendations, but Ash is basically just a grunt who has mostly served on backwater human colonies apart from being in Shepard's team during ME1. It just doesn't fit to me that she would have the experience or backing for spectre status.

This.

And a Spectre is sort of representing the Council too. I think Ashley's attitude would just give them a bad image.

[Clonedzero]

corporal doody wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

everytime this thread pops up everyone always stupidly forgets that theres 2 whole years worth of time for the VS to accomplish spectre worthy badassery.

i mean do you really think ashley just sat there moping for two years after shepard died?
nah, she was out kicking ass and taking names. anderson himself said they hunted down a ton of geth and would send in strike teams to take them out. i'm willing to bet ashley led a bunch of those seeing as she's an expert and extremely experienced in fighting geth.

fighting the geth and being on shepards team put her on the councils radar. it makes perfect sense.

and there is more than enough evidence in ME2 to suggest that they ARE NOT spectres. if VS to Spectre were to happen..it would be during ME3...or Bioware is gonna have some serious splainin to do!!

yup because after horizon and the several months in between ME2 and ME3 its impossible for them to become a spectre right?

right?


right???

[The Tookah]

Several others have already made the response I had on my fingertips upon reading that Ashley is "just a grunt". No one gets to senior NCO ranks by being a grunt. I think it is disrespectful of RL military to suggest it. However, each of us has our favourites. Ashley always survives Virmire in my games and I really want her back on my team.

[Dean_the_Young]

amcnow wrote...

Shepard was dead for over two years. The VS becoming a Spectre solely to replace Shepard is just as plausible.

Also, TiM isn't exactly the paragon of truth (or beauty for that matter)...

TIM's actually pretty reliable in what he does say. You just need to recognize that he doesn't always say everything relevant, and is happy enough to let you drive off and make assumptions that he never said.

[corporal doody]

Clonedzero wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

everytime this thread pops up everyone always stupidly forgets that theres 2 whole years worth of time for the VS to accomplish spectre worthy badassery.

i mean do you really think ashley just sat there moping for two years after shepard died?
nah, she was out kicking ass and taking names. anderson himself said they hunted down a ton of geth and would send in strike teams to take them out. i'm willing to bet ashley led a bunch of those seeing as she's an expert and extremely experienced in fighting geth.

fighting the geth and being on shepards team put her on the councils radar. it makes perfect sense.

and there is more than enough evidence in ME2 to suggest that they ARE NOT spectres. if VS to Spectre were to happen..it would be during ME3...or Bioware is gonna have some serious splainin to do!!

yup because after horizon and the several months in between ME2 and ME3 its impossible for them to become a spectre right?

right?


right???

EXACTLY!!!   only way it would work is if Bioware did SOME SPLAININ!! SOME SERIOUS splainin!!! and some uber dialogue!!

Modifié par corporal doody, 30 mai 2011 - 01:13 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The Tookah wrote...

Several others have already made the response I had on my fingertips upon reading that Ashley is "just a grunt". No one gets to senior NCO ranks by being a grunt. I think it is disrespectful of RL military to suggest it. However, each of us has our favourites. Ashley always survives Virmire in my games and I really want her back on my team.

Hell, Williams got to a significant rank despite being black listed. It takes an exceptional non-normality ot be able to rise despite insitutitional blockades.

[Madman123456]

I don't think ashley would want to be a spectre. A Spectre is not really part of an army but rather a special agent who will have to go against his moral code for the greater good pretty much all the time.

Kaidan is a bit more flexible here, but i don't think he'd be willing to be the council's arm they stick where the sun doesn't shine either. Also, he has migraines. A perfect attack point for the turian councilor.
"So, its possible that he could break down in overwhelming pain right in the middle of a critical situation?".
Udina can not talk. He is one of the baddest Politicians i have ever seen. Against someone as laughably inept as him, i could mount a defense to argue against everlasting peace in the Galaxy and i would win.

How Udina would fare against an attack that is actually good is anyone's guess. I'd say it'd be a "political ****storm".

[Epic777]

2 years is a long time

[flem1]

Ash was an excellent soldier held back by family prejudice.

Obviously, the Shep connection makes up for that.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Someone With Mass wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I can see Kaidan being a spectre, he's a stable and strong biotic with a bunch of special commendations, but Ash is basically just a grunt who has mostly served on backwater human colonies apart from being in Shepard's team during ME1. It just doesn't fit to me that she would have the experience or backing for spectre status.

This.

And a Spectre is sort of representing the Council too. I think Ashley's attitude would just give them a bad image.

Ashley can take command of the salarians on Virmire just as well as Kaidan can. Besides, the greatest council Spectre at the time of ME 1 was Saren. And he was kind of a psychopath. Ashley's blunt attitude probably wouldn't hold her back much if she can get the job done, which was really the only requirment of being a Spectre in the first place.