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[TEWR]

LPPrince wrote...

I want Darkspawn back the way they were. Now they're just comical. Well, comically bad.

I want Elves back the way they were. Now they look like they suffer from Down's Syndrome.

I want Qunari to stay the way they are, but still have some of them look like the DAO versions.

I want Dwarves back the way they were. Now they just look weird.

I want Humans back the way they were. The returning ones from DAO looked like they all got smashed in the face except for Flemeth(who I was just about to call Florrigan for some odd reason).

Damn it, I just want the DAO art style back. DA2's art style isn't "stylized". It just sucks.

Darkspawn yes, but keep the Genlocks and Hurlock Alpha design. Maybe tweak the Genlocks by experimenting with different colorations (gray or black or something). And the Ogres should also be tweaked to not have a mushed face and more purple/gray skin. No amalgam of beige and gray.

Elves no. The new design itself isn't the real problem, as there are many elves that look great with the new design. It's just how much work Bioware puts into the elves. But even if they made 98% good looking elves, some people would focus on the ugly ones and use that as evidence that the old design was superior. It's already happening. Despite all of the good looking ones, people focus more on the ugly ones, as if the elves should all be beautiful. Because a race is comprised of 100% beautiful people. What the people on here don't realize (or don't apply to the elves) is that beauty is subjective.

I'm also wondering what peoples' reactions would be if LotR did this design first. What then? Would it be acceptable? Would they want this design in favor of human ones if Bioware went that route? The outcries of it being Na'vi would also vanish.

Anyway, rant off. Also, could you not use Down's Syndrome like that? They don't actually look like people with Down's Syndrome. That's actually something I dislike seeing on here, as my little brother has Down Syndrome and I've seen it used in the wrong way. I admit you're not saying anything insulting about people with Down Syndrome, but still it's something that just rubs me the wrong way for some reason 

Qunari yes, and since Bioware said horned and hornless Kossith exist it's all good.

Dwarves didn't really change all that much aside from eye color. And that's the only real problem with the new dwarves. They have soulless eyes. If Bioware fixes that then everything will be fine. Sandal's the only exception, as his eye color was great.

I actually preferred the look of the humans in DA2. The only ones that looked horrible were Teagan and Alistair. But Isabela, Nathaniel, Cullen, Leliana, and whoever else looked great.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:26 .

[Tirfan]

^ Have to agree with TEWR here, while I really dislike the new elves.. some of them were decent, tone down the eyes a bit and put effort in all elves and it won't bother so much.

Qunari-design could IMO still use a bit of work - change the skincolor a bit, make it bit more like the original bronze-color, and show us that those hornless Kossith do exist, the redesign would have worked so much better if the Qunari guarding the compound would have been hornless.

But I still want the Stens, as they apparently are so manly men that they won't wear armor, to have nipple piercings, manly man to the end, nothing is more manly than nipple-piercings, they may not be exactly pragmatical in the heat of battle but hey, the Arishok had earrings.

Humans - I think the main problem is the jaw and the lips, I really can't exactly point out what it is about them that bothers me so much, but there is just something wrong about them, someone who can pinpoint things like these could tell me please?

[Kilshrek]

Don't know about the new hurlock alpha, looks like a white hand on the helmet to me. Now that is outright Uruk Hai.

[TheRealJayDee]

erynnar wrote...

When I played the demo, I thought the new hurlocks were just placeholders for the real thing (they were just waiting to render and animate for the real game). That's how bland, stupid and boring the new derpspawn are to me.

I have to admit that I actually thought/hoped the whole demo was some kind of placeholder for the 'real' beginning of the game. I hoped that everything was nonfinished, as well as that they just cut stuff between the opening credits and the Hawke family running away from the "'darkspawn"...

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:00 .

[alex90c]

Darkspawn yes, but keep the Genlocks and Hurlock Alpha design.

Darkspawn Kong.

[erynnar]

Humans - I think the main problem is the jaw and the lips, I really
can't exactly point out what it is about them that bothers me so much,
but there is just something wrong about them, someone who can pinpoint
things like these could tell me please?

I think it is the Jay Leno chins and the thin non-existant lips. The chins tend to be big and thick and the lips thin. I tried to make my Hawke's lips fuller on the slider, it didn't do much. Dunno if this is what is bothering you, bu ****** bothered me.

TheRealJayDee wrote...

erynnar wrote...

When I played the demo, I thought the new hurlocks were just placeholders for the real thing (they were just waiting to render and animate for the real game). That's how bland, stupid and boring the new derpspawn are to me.

I have to admit that I actually thought/hoped the whole demo was some kind of placeholder for the 'real' beginning of the game. I hoped that everything was nonfinished, as well as that they just cut stuff between the opening credits and the Hawke family running away from the "'darkspawn"...

Yeah, I thought the demo was a really bare bones basic t show combat, not that Lotherint turned into Mars.

[TEWR]

Ok really it just seems to be Bodahn's eyes that creep me out. Which I'm not sure if it's just me. Were his eyes the same color in Origins?

[erynnar]

no his eyes aren't the same color. And I don't like them either.

[erynnar]

Filament wrote...

I'm pretty sure they made no illusions about the demo being the genuine opening segment of the game.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dwarves didn't really change all that much aside from eye color. And that's the only real problem with the new dwarves. They have soulless eyes. If Bioware fixes that then everything will be fine. Sandal's the only exception, as his eye color was great.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by their eye color making them 'soulless.' The only one that gave me that impression was, appropriately, Sandal.

I was avoiding spoilers if at all possible at the time, so I didn't read that. I played the demo blind, because I loved DAO and I like BioWare games. Didn't think I had a reason to worry, so I could happlily avoide spoilers as much as possible.

[TEWR]

There's just something really creepy about the color of Bodahn's eyes in DA2. It really creeps me out.

[TEWR]

Dwarves seem to have 2 changes:

1) They're more stocky.
2) eye color, which isn't a bad thing. I just don't want to see some dwarves looking like they have creepy/soulless eyes. Though that's probably just how I'm seeing them.


Other than that, they're the same.

[erynnar]

Filament wrote...

erynnar wrote...

I was avoiding spoilers if at all possible at the time, so I didn't read that. I played the demo blind, because I loved DAO and I like BioWare games. Didn't think I had a reason to worry, so I could happlily avoide spoilers as much as possible.

Well okay but you can't complain that BioWare misled you if you intentionally bought the game blind.

Nope, still can complain. I had a friend who told me afterwards, and I figured I could live with stupid derp/douchespawn since they weren't the main thrust of the game as it wasn't about the Grey Wardens.

[erynnar]

Filament wrote...

I would agree that it's a silly change made for no apparent reason which isn't really a good thing. I don't find the new color creepy or bad inherently, though.

That's how I felt about the change part FIl. Though there's just something off and creepy to me about the new color. I think it is too close to the foggy/grey eyed look of tainted people.

[ScotGaymer]

I actually disagree with those hating on the redesigned Dwarves, Qunari, and Elves.

The problem with those races isnt that the redesign sucks per se; at least not for me; the problem is more that the Devs didnt take/didnt have the time to make any of the Elves, or Qunari look half decent (except Merril and Fenris).
As for the Dwarves. I like their new looks.

My only problem with Dwarves we met "before" is the same problem I have with a lot of recurring characters. They often look nothing like their DAO counterparts.
Bodahn looks the "most" like his DAO self.

I downloaded some mods giving a lot of the DAO characters new/better faces. Alistair & Teagan now look like their sexy DAO counterparts. Zevran no longer looks *omgkillitwithfire* ugly. Anders has a slightly more angular face like in DAA.

If they had had the time they could have made the new designs look acceptable. But alas like most things with this game the short Dev cycle is to blame.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 juillet 2011 - 01:01 .

[alex90c]

The redesigned Qunari looked good, but I have to disagree with the redesigned elves and dwarves. The dwarves ... well... it's not that they look bad, I just feel their new "design" didn't really change much or add anything to them. They could have kept the original dwarves and I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelid. then the elves - well they just completely destroyed them - from looking pretty decent in DA:O to these flat-nosed, googly-eyed freaks (no i'm not going to say Na'vi) when there was just no need for it.

Problem I have with the changes in DA2 is that they've caused a pretty big blow to continuity in the series: in Mass Effect you can just import your Shepard the way he/she is in ME1 in to ME2 (I believe the former uses Unreal 2.5 engine and the latter uses Unreal 3.0?) but in DA2, well you have to just flat out start from scratch if you want characters to make appearances in DA2 which of course gave us the hideous Morrigan, Alistair, Zevran, Teagan and probably some other cameos I can't think of at the moment.

Another thing as well, is it feels like all the characters just look the same in DA2. I remember getting some DA2 graphical mod and it uploaded a whole load of in-game heads in to the character creator and I was just in sheer disbelief when I saw some faces (e.g. talkative man) were just an exact carbon copy of a certain face with just a beard and moustache. I thought considering you hardly saw any faces in DA2 anyway (faceless mooks anyone?) that Bioware would have taken their time on the ones you actually saw.

[Hel]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dwarves seem to have 2 changes:

1) They're more stocky.
2) eye color, which isn't a bad thing. I just don't want to see some dwarves looking like they have creepy/soulless eyes. Though that's probably just how I'm seeing them.


Other than that, they're the same.

Not at all, there are quite a bit of differences between the DAII and DA dwarves. As you said they're stockier, but their facial structure has also changed. It appears that they have more chiseled features now and their noses are less bulbous than before, with the exception of Bodahn's and Sandal's noses.

I agree with you that Bodahn has rather eery eyes compared to the other dwarves... they look so unnatural.

Either way, barring that last exception I prefer these new dwarves over the old ones. Heck, I'd even want to play one for a change, which I definitely didn't feel like doing in Origins or Awakening.

Modifié par Helekanalaith, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:46 .

[Sylvianus]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I actually disagree with those hating on the redesigned Dwarves, Qunari, and Elves.

The problem with those races isnt that the redesign sucks per se; at least not for me; the problem is more that the Devs didnt take/didnt have the time to make any of the Elves, or Qunari look half decent (except Merril and Fenris).

I can agree with this statement. Personally I'm ready to see again the same design, if there is a work behind.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[TRSniper4]

I wouldn't mind the elf redesign so much if they'd just stick the ears back. I'm not sure what it is, but those ears sticking straight out to the side annoy me. It kind of makes me want to cut them off every time I see an elf .

Perhaps it is the similarity to the gremlin in that one Bugs Bunny cartoon. You know, that little guy with the airplane wings sticking out of the sides of his head?



That thing just really annoys me for some reason...

Modifié par TRSniper4, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[FieryDove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Elves no. The new design itself isn't the real problem, as there are many elves that look great with the new design. It's just how much work Bioware puts into the elves. But even if they made 98% good looking elves, some people would focus on the ugly ones and use that as evidence that the old design was superior.

But the nice looking ones look more *human* so we are back to square one.

Also don't you think the body shape needs work? Marathari and Merrill show it in some of the cutscenes S shaped pretzel is unhealthy looking. Plus too skinny in some cases. (arms, neck maybe?)

And the hunchback idle stance has got to go. imho

The Qunari need to go back to bronze skin with purple eyes. (plus a few without horns here or there would be nice). Alright I admit it... Purple.

TRSniper4 wrote...

I wouldn't mind the elf redesign so much if they'd just stick the ears back. I'm not sure what it is, but those ears sticking straight out to the side annoy me. It kind of makes me want to cut them off every time I see an elf .

..

That also bothers me.

Modifié par FieryDove, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:44 .

[TEWR]

I'm fine with the design as is. I haven't really seen any "S shaped bodies". Are there any pictures you can show me?


EDIT: Merrill's bed scene doesn't count for me. That was just horrendous cutscene making and not a fault of the elven design itself

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:37 .

[FieryDove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'm fine with the design as is. I haven't really seen any "S shaped bodies". Are there any pictures you can show me?

EDIT: Merrill's bed scene doesn't count for me. That was just horrendous cutscene making and not a fault of the elven design itself

I can try and take some, but the cutscenes show it best. Night terrors cutscene if you look at marthari you will see it. Also closeup views of lots of the dalish females show it. S shaped is the best I can describe it. Sorries.