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[cursedsei]

tmp7704 wrote...

cursedsei wrote...

NOW, if you're dealing with something like the RAGE-infected of 28 Days Later, or zombies capable of sprinting like in Dawn of the Dead (remake, I have yet to get a chance to watch the original) then yes, a one on one encounter could prove dicey.

I was thinking more along the lines of the more recent zombie image (i am legend remake etc) because they fit more with the overall abilities of the darkspawn -- the darkspawn is certainly capable of running and performing other regular physical feats.

Ehh... those aren't really zombies to be honest. They share more with Vampiric beings than Zombie.

"I thought if the world was full of vampires, it would be more frightening than just one,” he continued. “And I explained vampires in biological terms"
quote about the movie, and source
http://www.nytimes.c...rss&oref=slogin

Modifié par cursedsei, 30 mai 2011 - 01:50 .

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

You can't get the last word in then tell people to stop responding, lead by example!

Oops =P

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 avril 2012 - 02:58 .

[John Epler]

If you want to discuss the new look of elves in here as part of a larger discussion on the visual redesign from DA:O to DA2, be my guest, as I'm fairly certain there are no other active threads dealing with that particular topic. Might be wrong! But I don't think so.

[TEWR]

JohnEpler wrote...

If you want to discuss the new look of elves in here as part of a larger discussion on the visual redesign from DA:O to DA2, be my guest, as I'm fairly certain there are no other active threads dealing with that particular topic. Might be wrong! But I don't think so.

Ok that's all I needed. Thank you Mr. Epler

Now I'll change the title to something else more appropiate.

EDIT: NEVER CHANGED THE TITLE. NEVER WILL. I LIKE IT AS IS.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Honestly I think the jawline in new elves is far too narrow but thats just me. I can just about live with the overly buldged eyes but the jawline is annoying.

I think the biggest problem with the darkspawn is they made them far too white and the major problem with all the graphics in DA2 is everything is shiny, rubbery plastic in appearence from the players characters to NPCs, hair and darkspawn and ogres and the rest. Everything is plastic and if thats the art direction then it's taken a 5 year leap backwards design wise.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mai 2011 - 01:56 .

[Ariella]

Unless we see the rest of the Darkspawn redesigns I think we've pretty much come to the end of the rope, re thread. We don't know what the others are going to look like. Who knows maybe they'll show up in story DLC and we can necro this thread

[DragonRageGT]

[tmp7704]

cursedsei wrote...

Ehh... those aren't really zombies to be honest. They share more with Vampiric beings than Zombie.

That's an interesting quote; must say when i was watching the movie the creatures didn't make me think of vampires at all. Not sure why really, since the vulnerability to light could be linked to it now that i think about it.

[Zeevico]

The new look makes the baby jesus cry. It's probably the only game in the world whose prequel was more visually appealing. Then again, isn't this because the graphics weren't good for xbox/ps3 and the game is now essentially played as a port from the xbox/ps3, whereas the opposite was true for dao?

As a PC user I'll have to wait until the next generation of consoles becomes widespread I guess for viusals to come back to the level of DAO's.

Which isn't the end of the world, as there's more important things to a game than visuals (or voice acting, for that matter). Like gameplay and level design.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The problem is one and the same.

No. this is a thread dealing with a specific new look, not the looks in general. Two vastly different concepts. Until a mod says that it's ok for the elven looks to be discussed here I'd rather not take any chances.

If you want to talk about the new look of the elves then by all means make a new thread focused around that. That was the advice you gave me when I kept asking why people had a problem playing as one set race.

nerdage wrote...

You can't get the last word in then tell people to stop responding, lead by example!

Oops =P

It's a thread dealing with the visual changes to Darkspawn – which are not the only one affected. The Darkspawn, elves, and the Qunari have had criticism posted in the constructive criticism thread regarding the new art direction. However, I find it interesting that you couldn't tell the elves apart in Origins - yet has it crossed your mind that the Arishok are in the same boat as you described the elves. You might fight it beneficial to look at the larger picture and be willing to read opinions that differ from yours.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 30 mai 2011 - 02:00 .

[tmp7704]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Honestly I think the jawline in new elves is far too narrow but thats just me. I can just about live with the overly buldged eyes but the jawline is annoying.

It's mostly the anorexic limbs that really trigger the "eeeww" in me. Perhaps unsurprisingly, because despite what people may say about the bodies "looking like different species now" that different species looks exactly like a sickly malnourished human body-wise, and that sick appearance triggers a natural reaction.

It should've stopped at the coat hanger fashion model stage if they're going this route.

[TEWR]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The problem is one and the same.

No. this is a thread dealing with a specific new look, not the looks in general. Two vastly different concepts. Until a mod says that it's ok for the elven looks to be discussed here I'd rather not take any chances.

If you want to talk about the new look of the elves then by all means make a new thread focused around that. That was the advice you gave me when I kept asking why people had a problem playing as one set race.

nerdage wrote...

You can't get the last word in then tell people to stop responding, lead by example!

Oops =P

It's a thread dealing with the visual changes to Darkspawn – which are not the only one affected. The Darkspawn, elves, and the Qunari have had criticism posted in the constructive criticism thread regarding the new art direction. However, I find it interesting that you couldn't tell the elves apart in Origins - yet has it crossed your mind that the Arishok are in the same boat as you described. You might fight it beneficial to look at the larger picture and be willing to read opinions that differ from yours.

*sigh*

1) I didn't want to risk my thread being locked until a mod came in and said it could be discussed, which has happened just now. Was that so hard to ask? I would think not.
2) I said I couldn't tell the elves who had long hair that covered up their ears apart from humans. Elves with short hair I could, but they didn't have enough of a racial difference to me even then.
3) I said Kossith in Origins had no unique look because they were just taller humans with slightly pointy ears. I am not sure though what you're talking about when you talk about the Kossith. They were all copied and pasted. I never saw any elves, dwarves, or Kossith copied and pasted in Origins. There were only 2 (or 3 if you count Saarebas as a person despite the same look as all the others) unique Kossith. The Arishok and Maraas.

[In Exile]

The faces for the elves look too non-human, and not in a good way. The skinny look is not a problem; it's just that the only model for the humans is linebacker (look at the arms on Carver or Hawke!) and so the elves look silly frail. Especially with the Mr. Universe level qunari.

I think that the elves need to be taken a little bit more toward human. Maybe... give them eye or hair colours that are unnatural, and give them a face that's a little less.. droopy?

As for the darkspawn, I think that what we really need is coherence. I still don't see it. They're too sterile now. I think changing them all to look like the DA:A disciplies is the best choice. Whether they're ogres, genlocks or shrieks.

[Aaleel]

tmp7704 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Honestly I think the jawline in new elves is far too narrow but thats just me. I can just about live with the overly buldged eyes but the jawline is annoying.

It's mostly the anorexic limbs that really trigger the "eeeww" in me. Perhaps unsurprisingly, because despite what people may say about the bodies "looking like different species now" that different species looks exactly like a sickly malnourished human body-wise, and that sick appearance triggers a natural reaction.

It should've stopped at the coat hanger fashion model stage if they're going this route.

This was my problem too they were just way too thin.

[tmp7704]

In Exile wrote...

I think that the elves need to be taken a little bit more toward human. Maybe... give them eye or hair colours that are unnatural, and give them a face that's a little less.. droopy?

For the sake of providing an example, this is what the elves would roughly look like if they retained the overall face shape from DAO, but were given the "new" nose bridge, the ears and the larger eyes



whether it'd be change for better or worse isn't really for me to say.

[Chiramu]

The problem with the darkspawn is that they have the tendency to look like the orcs and goblins of The Lord of the Rings.

[Serpieri Nei]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The problem is one and the same.

No. this is a thread dealing with a specific new look, not the looks in general. Two vastly different concepts. Until a mod says that it's ok for the elven looks to be discussed here I'd rather not take any chances.

If you want to talk about the new look of the elves then by all means make a new thread focused around that. That was the advice you gave me when I kept asking why people had a problem playing as one set race.

nerdage wrote...

You can't get the last word in then tell people to stop responding, lead by example!

Oops =P

It's a thread dealing with the visual changes to Darkspawn – which are not the only one affected. The Darkspawn, elves, and the Qunari have had criticism posted in the constructive criticism thread regarding the new art direction. However, I find it interesting that you couldn't tell the elves apart in Origins - yet has it crossed your mind that the Arishok are in the same boat as you described. You might fight it beneficial to look at the larger picture and be willing to read opinions that differ from yours.

*sigh*

1) I didn't want to risk my thread being locked until a mod came in and said it could be discussed, which has happened just now. Was that so hard to ask? I would think not.
2) I said I couldn't tell the elves who had long hair that covered up their ears apart from humans. Elves with short hair I could, but they didn't have enough of a racial difference to me even then.
3) I said Kossith in Origins had no unique look because they were just taller humans with slightly pointy ears. I am not sure though what you're talking about when you talk about the Kossith. They were all copied and pasted. I never saw any elves, dwarves, or Kossith copied and pasted in Origins. There were only 2 (or 3 if you count Saarebas as a person despite the same look as all the others) unique Kossith. The Arishok and Maraas.

*sigh* 

I understand that you didn't want your post locked, and nor was it my goal to make that happen. It was to bring forward a concern that the new art direction did not start or end with the Darkspawn and where not the only ones affected by it. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Yeah, but if Shrieks(tainted elves)can be Emissaries, shouldn't they establish that by calling them Shriek Emissaries, since a regular emissary is just a Hurlock.

No, a Hurlock Emissary is a Hurlock Emissary. Just like a Genlock Emissary is a Genlock Emissary. Honestly, Shriek Emissaries make a hell of a lot more sense than Genlock ones, since dwarves can't use magic. I'd imagine that there are rare cases of Ogre Emissaries as well.

I wonder if David Gaider will ever explain how Genlocks can be Emissaries. That should be interesting.

That has been explained, although the question still comes up from time to time. The answer is that they draw power from the taint in their blood.

[TEWR]

which I understood, but given how it was dealing with a specific part of the new art direction I still didn't want to take any risks.

Either way, moot point and I guess I should've stopped after Epler posted. He approved the elf talk, so carry on. I personally like the new look of the elves and feel they just need to either make every elf detailed extremely well. Unless for some elves they're purposely going for ugly. Like Nyssa. Why they wanted to make her balding I will never know....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[Zanallen]

That female elf doesn't look all that much different from Merril.

[Zanallen]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That has been explained, although the question still comes up from time to time. The answer is that they draw power from the taint in their blood.

They are all blood mages, right?

Modifié par Zanallen, 30 mai 2011 - 02:27 .

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

That female elf doesn't look all that much different from Merril.

Perhaps that's why people have generally more favourable reaction to Merrill than the other DA2 elves then -- it'd be because her face is more DAO-like and --in other words-- more like "human" face.

It's Shianni btw, just with the "new" features.

[Dragoonlordz]

Elves went too thin I agree, they are like Size 0 models.. No scrap that, size -1 models. They look unhealthy and brittle. They just need plumping out the arms and legs plus jawline imho.

Notice the arms and legs, they aren't matchsticks unlike DA2 elves.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 mai 2011 - 02:30 .

[In Exile]

tmp7704 wrote...
For the sake of providing an example, this is what the elves would roughly look like if they retained the overall face shape from DAO, but were given the "new" nose bridge, the ears and the larger eyes



whether it'd be change for better or worse isn't really for me to say.

I really like it. I think all that would be left would be experimenting with the colour pallete for the skin, eyes & hair.