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[Aesieru]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't think the Templars should be hated... they are just doing their job after all.

Which is the subjugation of hundreds of men, women, and children because they were born with magical ability, and following orders of genocide during the Right of Annulment.

Crusaders

Police men

FBI

Soldiers...

All differing organizations all very similar and of course all against something that they are told to be against, but they aren't pulling the strings, they're simply meeting ends meet, though some are more radical or perhaps just more devoted than others in their group, that's because they see horrors and negative things that their profession is designed to fix... such as murders, rapes, magic abominations... and what not.

So no, hating them makes little sense.

Even if they're... over-zealous... but are THEY REALLY?

[LobselVith8]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Or protecting tens of thousands of people from incidents like say:
REDCLIFFE

Which happened because Connor's pious mother, Arlessa Isolde, didn't want her son to be a mage. Creating the very social conditions that lead to the incident can be placed at the feet of the Chantry of Andraste, and it's rhetoric of treating all mages as cursed.

Aesieru wrote...

All differing organizations all very similar and of course all against something that they are told to be against, but they aren't pulling the strings, they're simply meeting ends meet, though some are more radical or perhaps just more devoted than others in their group, that's because they see horrors and negative things that their profession is designed to fix... such as murders, rapes, magic abominations... and what not.

None of those groups imprison populations of men, women, and children because of how they are born.

Aesieru wrote...

So no, hating them makes little sense.

Even if they're... over-zealous... but are THEY REALLY?

I'd say they are overzealous, but perhaps this is getting off-topic and we should get back on-topic.

[Aesieru]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Or protecting tens of thousands of people from incidents like say:
REDCLIFFE

Which happened because Connor's pious mother, Arlessa Isolde, didn't want her son to be a mage. Creating the very social conditions that lead to the incident can be placed at the feet of the Chantry of Andraste, and it's rhetoric of treating all mages as cursed.

Aesieru wrote...

All differing organizations all very similar and of course all against something that they are told to be against, but they aren't pulling the strings, they're simply meeting ends meet, though some are more radical or perhaps just more devoted than others in their group, that's because they see horrors and negative things that their profession is designed to fix... such as murders, rapes, magic abominations... and what not.

None of those groups imprison populations of men, women, and children because of how they are born.

Aesieru wrote...

So no, hating them makes little sense.

Even if they're... over-zealous... but are THEY REALLY?

I'd say they are overzealous, but perhaps this is getting off-topic and we should get back on-topic.

I have to say you're wrong... that does happen... just in a different context and not as OFTEN.

Oh and don't forget rendition...

Oh...

[dragonflight288]

Maybe in the beginning, beyond Wesley and Bethany, introduce a good templar and a good mage, each trying to do their job, fighting the blight and watching the mage, neither one corrupt. Establish the system how it's supposed to work before arriving in Kirkwall?

There, on topic with the thread AND involved in the mage vs templar debate.

[Sajuro]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hawke is the eldest. And it's pretty much stated in-game that if Hawke was a rogue or a warrior, they went to Ostagar.

Never picked up on that Hawke was at Ostagar, but I think it is good that we didn't revisit that battle, you could only show that cutscene so many times and DA:O  pretty much hit that limit.

[dragonflight288]

It's in the codex entry when talking about Hawke as a character. And the prologue.

when a mage, Bethany asks why they waited so long.

Carver: Why are you looking at me? I've been running since Ostagar.

When a warrior or a rogue, and bethany asks.

Carver: Why are you looking at us? We've been running since Ostagar.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 01 juin 2011 - 12:23 .

[Patchwork]

I'm all for the mage having a slightly different story throughout DA2 than a rogue or warrior. It makes sense given the rules of the DA universe but the introduction to the game shouldn't be that different due to class imo.

Here's how I'd set it up. In a cut scene Carver, and Hawke if applicable, return to Lothering. Most of the village including Bethany, Leandra and Mage!Hawke are in or around the Chantry so they head there. The Reverend Mother is reading the chanticle relating to Darkspawn, the mages part in creating them and the Maker's abandonment so we have some backstory to both the threat of a Blight and why mages are so hated. Carver bursts in and announces that the King is dead and the horde has turned in Lothering's direction.

Then it's a scene between the Hawkes and this is where they have the 'where should we go?' discussion and Bethany (and Hawke if a mage) are revealed to be apostates. To flee they need supplies and the first stop is the cache of armour, weapons and coin they hid in the village in case the templars began to suspect them. Really amp up the this family only have each other and are always on the run angle, they can't risk going home not even for Malcolm's grimoire, the horde is too close. Even Leandra arms herself with a bow which one of the sibs makes a joke about.

The Chantry board is offering poisons, potions and enchanted jewellery as rewards. So while Leandra is off trying to find food the sibs decide to do a few fetch/carry/kill quests.

-If the BE DLC is installed this is where Dog becomes one of the family. The Hawkes stumble onto a fight between a Mabari and a pack of Blight Wolves and Dog imprints on Hawke then.

As in DAO the Bridge is a banter trigger so a little of the family dynamic and SoonToBeDead sibling's personality is revealed. We overhear a little of the Warden's actions as they passed through, grumbling about Sten or one of the lay sister's running off because a dream told her too. The barman even asks for help in moving the bodies of Logain's men.

Click on Leandra who's waiting by the merchant, muttering about the merchant's prices, and Ser Bryant approaches them. The priests are ready to leave and any one who wishes to travel with them is guaranteed templar protection. Leandra politely refuses. Fade to black and they're fighting Darkspawn outside Lothering.

It's not that exciting but it does give some character background, DA lore and the player is eased into combat and the dialogue wheel.

[Sons of Horus]

These are some good ideas. Could they be implemented as part of a DLC?

[LobselVith8]

Aesieru wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd say they are overzealous, but perhaps this is getting off-topic and we should get back on-topic.

I have to say you're wrong... that does happen... just in a different context and not as OFTEN.

Oh and don't forget rendition...

Oh...

We're talking about hundreds of men, women, and children being imprisoned because of how they were born, and controlled by a religious organization that preaches they are cursed. I think there's a difference between the examples you provided and what transpires in the Andrastian nations with the Chantry controlled Circles. The fact that the prologue lacks an apostate POV for an illegal mage Hawke also deprives us of seeing how bad it can be for those who are born with magical ability and living in an Andrastian society.