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[Yate]

Because if Shep didn't side with one, the winner wouldn't be loyal to Shep. The whole point of the mission was to get a loyal squad member. Besides, I think it's made pretty clear that Morinth and Samara are evenly matched.

[Golden Owl]

Eddo36 wrote...

And say the stronger gets recruited, the other dies.

Shep looks decidedly uncomfortable while s/he is watching that battle...it strikes me, the sooner it's over, the happier Shep is.

[Darkhour]

Kogaion wrote...

even tho i allways have enuf renegade points ( i do Samara mission last ) to use it with Morinth..i never choose her in the fight ...i did choose her once and i felt so dirty i had to replay the mission...the renegades that choose Morinth over Samara are really "sick" (i play renegade too but i have limits)

You unlock Dominate then you restart and do it over. The only reason to pick Morinth is to see her dialog (which isn't much) and to see what she's up to in ME3.

No one would pick Morinth in real life. You have no guns, she just tried to kill you.... and you have no gun. But she is a dragon ball z super bitotic who could just biotic drop kick Shepard out the window and be back at Afterlife in time for cocktails. Picking Morinth would be the dumbest thing anyone could ever do in the history of doing things.

Sorry, but they should have handled Morinth alittle better.  Like made it where she killed the terminally ill or criminals (like Dexter) or anything that wasn't so black and white. There is simply no reason whatsoever to pick Morinth other than metagaming.

[100k]

Because Morinth would have escaped. She had several escape points in her apartment, and even if she was going to fight Samara, she'd also have to deal with a Spectre who could probably kill both of them at the same time.

FUNNY FACT: If you bring Morinth with you on Miranda's loyalty mission, and use Dominate on Captain Enyala, Enyala will whisper "forgive me, sister" before dying. I used this on other asari, but none of them said anything.

Modifié par 100k, 01 juin 2011 - 04:04 .

[Darkhour]

100k wrote...

Because Morinth would have escaped. She had several escape points in her apartment, and even if she was going to fight Samara, she'd also have to deal with a Spectre who could probably kill both of them at the same time.

Yeah, Sheparad is going to take on Morinth with no weapons or armor... riiiiiiight.  Even an adept Shepard would stand no chance.

[Sebby]

Darkhour wrote...

Kogaion wrote...

even tho i allways have enuf renegade points ( i do Samara mission last ) to use it with Morinth..i never choose her in the fight ...i did choose her once and i felt so dirty i had to replay the mission...the renegades that choose Morinth over Samara are really "sick" (i play renegade too but i have limits)

You unlock Dominate then you restart and do it over. The only reason to pick Morinth is to see her dialog (which isn't much) and to see what she's up to in ME3.

No one would pick Morinth in real life. You have no guns, she just tried to kill you.... and you have no gun. But she is a dragon ball z super bitotic who could just biotic drop kick Shepard out the window and be back at Afterlife in time for cocktails. Picking Morinth would be the dumbest thing anyone could ever do in the history of doing things.

Sorry, but they should have handled Morinth alittle better.  Like made it where she killed the terminally ill or criminals (like Dexter) or anything that wasn't so black and white. There is simply no reason whatsoever to pick Morinth other than metagaming.

Morinth's implementation as a squadmate was extremely half-assed and I'm almost convinced she was added at the last moment. Like you've said the game gives no compelling reason to recruit her whatsoever besides the novelty of it. They should have had her revealing dark secrets about Samara or something to get the player to seriously reconsider killing her.

It's a shame really, she had great potential as a hedonistic socopiath sex murderer turning into an unlikely saviour of the galaxy and possibly reforming her negative personality traits. She would have been better than her mother who's a dead end as far as character development goes.

[100k]

Darkhour wrote...

100k wrote...

Because Morinth would have escaped. She had several escape points in her apartment, and even if she was going to fight Samara, she'd also have to deal with a Spectre who could probably kill both of them at the same time.

Yeah, Sheparad is going to take on Morinth with no weapons or armor... riiiiiiight.  Even an adept Shepard would stand no chance.

Soldier Shepard has adrenaline rush. He could break her neck, throw a chair at her, or stab her with the sword on the wall before she would be able to hit him with a biotic field.

Vanguard Shepard has a charge rivaling that of a Krogan. He could smash into her so fast that she was easily stunned (if not killed), and finish her off with his biotics.

Adept Shepard would have a tougher time, but a singularity, stasis, or slam would be devastating to her.

Engineer Shepard and Sentinel Shepard have omni tools with them. In this case, they'd be outfitted to take anyone on unarmed, because most people never take their omni tools off themselves. They could incinerate, freeze, drone spam, etc etc.

And Infiltrator Shepard...well...I would relish taking on someone who is a master at sneaking, tracking, and killing silently. And turning invisible on the flip of a switch.

No Shepard is unarmed. The comment about not having a gun is just bad writing, that overlooks the fact that Shepard can do pretty heavy damage without a gun.

The end result? Shepard beats Samara/Morinth by grabbing their forearm.  

[Ice Cold J]

Cause they're locked in a biotic stale mate, their powers cancelling each other out.
Shep is the "tie-breaker" if you will.

[Kogaion]

i agree with 100K...and something that was never said here ..Shepard in ME 2 is a cyborg more or less ...half of Shepards body is sintetic (we find this after he wakes up) he can use the Widow sniper as a carry around wepon ( no human can use that ' the rifle will break a normal human arm..it's in the description of the weapon) so for ex. under adrenaline rush Shepard can punch 3 times in 1 sec. ( and those punches are deadly) so i don't think either one of them can survive for long ( as a sentinel i usualy go boxing around instead of using the wepon and everything dies ) + the armor of the sentinel is generated by his omnitool not by his basic armor so he allways has that sentinel armor to use 

Modifié par Kogaion, 01 juin 2011 - 10:35 .

[AlexMBrennan]

OK, please explain how your soldier Shepard would manage any of these things if Morinth used biotic lift - you can't punch people if you don't have mass. You can't run if you don't have mass (forward force is a function of normal force - weight). The only reason enemies don't use that is because it would be rather frustrating.
Edit: Tech armour, just like regular armour and kinetic barriers, does nothing to stop biotic attacks (according to lore, game play is subject to rule of fun and hence unreliable). So Morinth could lift Shepard and throw him out of the window with ease or repeatedly slam him into a wall (kinetic barriers only stop high-velocity projectiles, and armour in general probably doesn't protect against blunt force)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 01 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[Darkhour]

100k wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

100k wrote...

Because Morinth would have escaped. She had several escape points in her apartment, and even if she was going to fight Samara, she'd also have to deal with a Spectre who could probably kill both of them at the same time.

Yeah, Sheparad is going to take on Morinth with no weapons or armor... riiiiiiight.  Even an adept Shepard would stand no chance.

Soldier Shepard has adrenaline rush. He could break her neck, throw a chair at her, or stab her with the sword on the wall before she would be able to hit him with a biotic field.

Vanguard Shepard has a charge rivaling that of a Krogan. He could smash into her so fast that she was easily stunned (if not killed), and finish her off with his biotics.

Adept Shepard would have a tougher time, but a singularity, stasis, or slam would be devastating to her.

Engineer Shepard and Sentinel Shepard have omni tools with them. In this case, they'd be outfitted to take anyone on unarmed, because most people never take their omni tools off themselves. They could incinerate, freeze, drone spam, etc etc.

And Infiltrator Shepard...well...I would relish taking on someone who is a master at sneaking, tracking, and killing silently. And turning invisible on the flip of a switch.

No Shepard is unarmed. The comment about not having a gun is just bad writing, that overlooks the fact that Shepard can do pretty heavy damage without a gun.

The end result? Shepard beats Samara/Morinth by grabbing their forearm.  

"Naked" Soldier Shep vs Morinth: Shepard uses adrenaline rush and charges Morinth. Shepard is throw across the room (slow down time all you want you're not going to get close to her before she fires off a single attack.). Shepard is Lifted. Shepard is thrown out the window. (Sorry, shouldn't have brought fists to a biotic fight)

"Naked" Vanguard Shep vs Morinth:  Shepard starts Charge. Morinth steps aside (just like I move out of Vasir's way). Shepard hits wall. Shepard flies out the window.

"Naked" Adept Shep vs Morinth: This shep would have the best odds. However, super dragon ball z biotic vs great biotic. I'll place my bets on the super dragon ball z biotic.

"Naked" Engineer Shep vs Morinth: Using any skill. Sadly Morinth used singualarity. Morinth brushes off flames/ destroys drone/ shakes off ice. Shepard still floating around (or just falling). Shepard is thrown out the window.

"Naked" Infiltrator Shep vs Morinth: Shep stealths and goes for gun on Morinth's wall. Morinth does the AOE shockwave thingy (or plants a singularity between herself and Shep). Shep falls down (or gets sucked in). Cloak wears off. To make a short story shorter: Shep goes out the window.


 Shepard would get his ass flung around like a rag doll. It's simple mass effect physics. Super biotic beats unarmed man: PERIOD - END OF DISCUSSION.

Samara, Morinth, Liara or Jack would kick Shepard's ass in a biotic duel. Period. Luckily Shepard has other skills that make him more deadly on the battlefield. Sadly, he did not have the means to exercise those skills while in Morinth's apartment.

[Darkhour]

Kogaion wrote...

i agree with 100K...and something that was never said here ..Shepard in ME 2 is a cyborg more or less ...half of Shepards body is sintetic (we find this after he wakes up) he can use the Widow sniper as a carry around wepon ( no human can use that ' the rifle will break a normal human arm..it's in the description of the weapon) so for ex. under adrenaline rush Shepard can punch 3 times in 1 sec. ( and those punches are deadly) so i don't think either one of them can survive for long ( as a sentinel i usualy go boxing around instead of using the wepon and everything dies ) + the armor of the sentinel is generated by his omnitool not by his basic armor so he allways has that sentinel armor to use 

Sentinel armor may be activated by an omni tool (like a remote activator), but it is not a omni-tool app. It is powered by the standard armors power system as its power runs off the same line as your suit shields.

Adrenalline rush does not stop time. It speeds you up. Morinth only needs to get off one attack and it's over for Shep. And since you let her live, she gets the first strike. Sorry, I know you want to feel like you Shep is unbeatable in any situation, be it a Shep in a wheelchair with no hands and a single hook to a Shep that is nothing but a head in a jar with a switch blade in his mouth, but that's bull**** and you know it. If an unarmed Shep could beat Samara or Jack then what's the point of a squad? Clearly he is some kind of god. Why are we worried about the Reapers? Shep will just rip them apart with his bare hands, right?

[100k]

Darkhour wrote...

100k wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

100k wrote...

Because Morinth would have escaped. She had several escape points in her apartment, and even if she was going to fight Samara, she'd also have to deal with a Spectre who could probably kill both of them at the same time.

Yeah, Sheparad is going to take on Morinth with no weapons or armor... riiiiiiight.  Even an adept Shepard would stand no chance.

Soldier Shepard has adrenaline rush. He could break her neck, throw a chair at her, or stab her with the sword on the wall before she would be able to hit him with a biotic field.

Vanguard Shepard has a charge rivaling that of a Krogan. He could smash into her so fast that she was easily stunned (if not killed), and finish her off with his biotics.

Adept Shepard would have a tougher time, but a singularity, stasis, or slam would be devastating to her.

Engineer Shepard and Sentinel Shepard have omni tools with them. In this case, they'd be outfitted to take anyone on unarmed, because most people never take their omni tools off themselves. They could incinerate, freeze, drone spam, etc etc.

And Infiltrator Shepard...well...I would relish taking on someone who is a master at sneaking, tracking, and killing silently. And turning invisible on the flip of a switch.

No Shepard is unarmed. The comment about not having a gun is just bad writing, that overlooks the fact that Shepard can do pretty heavy damage without a gun.

The end result? Shepard beats Samara/Morinth by grabbing their forearm.  

"Naked" Soldier Shep vs Morinth: Shepard uses adrenaline rush and charges Morinth. Shepard is throw across the room (slow down time all you want you're not going to get close to her before she fires off a single attack.). Shepard is Lifted. Shepard is thrown out the window. (Sorry, shouldn't have brought fists to a biotic fight)

"Naked" Vanguard Shep vs Morinth:  Shepard starts Charge. Morinth steps aside (just like I move out of Vasir's way). Shepard hits wall. Shepard flies out the window.

"Naked" Adept Shep vs Morinth: This shep would have the best odds. However, super dragon ball z biotic vs great biotic. I'll place my bets on the super dragon ball z biotic.

"Naked" Engineer Shep vs Morinth: Using any skill. Sadly Morinth used singualarity. Morinth brushes off flames/ destroys drone/ shakes off ice. Shepard still floating around (or just falling). Shepard is thrown out the window.

"Naked" Infiltrator Shep vs Morinth: Shep stealths and goes for gun on Morinth's wall. Morinth does the AOE shockwave thingy (or plants a singularity between herself and Shep). Shep falls down (or gets sucked in). Cloak wears off. To make a short story shorter: Shep goes out the window.


 Shepard would get his ass flung around like a rag doll. It's simple mass effect physics. Super biotic beats unarmed man: PERIOD - END OF DISCUSSION.

Samara, Morinth, Liara or Jack would kick Shepard's ass in a biotic duel. Period. Luckily Shepard has other skills that make him more deadly on the battlefield. Sadly, he did not have the means to exercise those skills while in Morinth's apartment.

First of all, like the poster above me said, Shepard is a cyborg. He/She can survive attacks like slam, push, throw, etc etc. Hell, natural Shepard fell...from orbit...and still managed to remain at least semi intact.

Next, Adrenaline Rush is devastating in close proximity. Morinth simply wouldn't be able to react in time! It would be like trying to kill Adrian from Watchmen, but instead of having a gun, you have a slower moving projectile based weapon in the form of biotics. A singularity is useless if Shepard is able to escape its pull field (which isn't very big). Throw and Pull have to be thrown as well, and they move fairly slow.

Also, Vanguard Tela and Vanguard Shepard are different. Tela's smash probably has more power (from more years of use), but it takes longer to charge. In a CQC position like the one Shepard was in with Morinth, he'd smash into her almost undeniably. Hell, the woman was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO HIM! To top it off, he has his own biotics to thwart her.

Adept would be a good match up. More a test of skill (Shepard) against sheer power (Morinth). 

Simply saying that Morinth would be able to get Shepard into a pull field and shake off the effects of a tech power isn't enough. Assuming that Shepard's reaction time trumps Morinth's, lets say he hits her with a tech power like cryo blast, just as she is able to react and hit him with a biotic pull field. He's stuck on the ceiling, but conscious. She is a statue. In almost every situation, her biotic field would drop before she was able to shake free of the ice. 

Infiltrator Shepard probably has it worst, but that's just not saying much when it comes to Shepard. He/She is probably nearly as strong as a turian, and is a master at hand to hand. Going invisible would probably baffle Morinth, and she certainly wouldn't be able to know where to aim a biotic attack to separate herself from her hidden hunter.

TO TOP IT OFF-

Shepard is prepared. He is as much on a mission to kill her, as she is to kill him. The difference is that he knows that she's an Ardak Yakshi, and she just thinks that he's some strong merc. 

Even if worst came to worst, she couldn't just chuck him out the window! I seem to remember Samara slamming Morinth into the window pretty damn hard, and it not breaking. She probably has bullet proof glass, in the event that someone like Krios got a contract  to take her out.

But lets for a second assume that all of Shepard's abilities fail him/her for a moment...



Yeah. Two fully armed, fully armored, probably fully shielded mercs. Knocked out colder than the little filipino boy in my freezer. 

So, still think Shepard wouldn't stand a chance against Morinth?

Modifié par 100k, 01 juin 2011 - 03:13 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Please stop treating game mechanics like lore - they are simply chosen to make the game fun, and having a singularity that disables all enemies in the area isn't fun. A singularity is pretty damn effective if it's a 10 year old doing it accidentally (Ascension?)

That picture is nice. Of course, since you are going purely by game mechanics (that change from game to game due to rule of fun), you are under delusion that kinetic barriers will stop a punch. Also, armour is probably ineffective against blunt weapons (e.g. cyborg fists) - they'll still get a concussion. Also, Morinth is a biotic. These two mooks are not.

[100k]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Please stop treating game mechanics like lore - they are simply chosen to make the game fun, and having a singularity that disables all enemies in the area isn't fun. A singularity is pretty damn effective if it's a 10 year old doing it accidentally (Ascension?)

That picture is nice. Of course, since you are going purely by game mechanics (that change from game to game due to rule of fun), you are under delusion that kinetic barriers will stop a punch. Also, armour is probably ineffective against blunt weapons (e.g. cyborg fists) - they'll still get a concussion. Also, Morinth is a biotic. These two mooks are not.

>Armor 
>Ineffective against cyborg fists
>(Morinth has no armor)
>Implying that a cutscene of Shepard punching out two mercs (three if you count the one in the prison) is a "game play mechanic".

I'm not saying that a kinetic barrier protects against melee attacks. Hell, I'd love to see where you got that from. What I am saying is that Shepard punched out three armored men. ARMORED. 

[AlexMBrennan]

Hell, I'd love to see where you got that from

From your post

Yeah. Two [...]shielded mercs

Your comment is only relevant if you believe that kinetic barriers stop melee attacks.

Basically, I was saying that Shepard's ability to knock out two armoured mooks is completely independent of his ability (or lack thereof) to beat Morinth.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 01 juin 2011 - 04:28 .

[Clonedzero]

well shepard and pick sides and kill one. or shepard can let them get ina long fight where one eventually kills the other but the one that lives is injuried and useless for the mission.

also, morinith recruitment makes ZERO sense. i feel like that was thrown into the game as an easter egg rather than for a real reason.

[Moiaussi]

It was likely thrown in for those who like to live dangerously. You don't know for certain until it is too late that you aren't strong enough willed to survive being intimate with her, but even then it is not like you have to give in and give her the chance. It would be interesting if you do find a way to reform her in ME3, or at least to give her less need to kill and the ability to choose not to (in other words, still a renegade/assassin type but not just a psychopathic killer).

[Darkhour]

100k wrote...

First of all, like the poster above me said, Shepard is a cyborg. He/She can survive attacks like slam, push, throw, etc etc. Hell, natural Shepard fell...from orbit...and still managed to remain at least semi intact.

He can survive being tossed out a window all he wants. He's still getting knock out of it all the same.

Next, Adrenaline Rush is devastating in close proximity. Morinth simply wouldn't be able to react in time!

 
1.) Morinth would be the one attacking first (shep let her live remember. He won't be the one to initiate the fight). 2.) Shep isn't THAT close. 3.) All she has to get off is one attack

There is no possible way Shepard can win. Cyborg or not. By your logic Legion would kick shepards ass hand-to-hand since he's full android. 

It would be like trying to kill Adrian from Watchmen, but instead of having a gun, you have a slower moving projectile based weapon in the form of biotics. A singularity is useless if Shepard is able to escape its pull field (which isn't very big). Throw and Pull have to be thrown as well, and they move fairly slow.

If Morinth drops a singularity between herself a Shepard he can't approach her. She can calmly take that assault rifle off the wall and shot Shep while he waits for the singularity to dissapate. There is no possible way Shepard can win if Morinth makes an effort to kill him. Pull is instantaneous and throw is not slow. Definitely not slow enough for someone to run over and stop it from happening. .

Also, Vanguard Tela and Vanguard Shepard are different. Tela's smash probably has more power (from more years of use), but it takes longer to charge. In a CQC position like the one Shepard was in with Morinth, he'd smash into her almost undeniably. Hell, the woman was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO HIM! To top it off, he has his own biotics to thwart her.

Go check out Youtube.

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She was not "right next to him". But since she would be the one to initiate the fight, time is on her side, Not Shep's. sorry, bro. In every scenario Shep loses. Deal with it.

Regarding Vasir: Vanguard is vanguard. Gameplay mechanics are irrelevant.

Simply saying that Morinth would be able to get Shepard into a pull field and shake off the effects of a tech power isn't enough. Assuming that Shepard's reaction time trumps Morinth's, lets say he hits her with a tech power like cryo blast, just as she is able to react and hit him with a biotic pull field. He's stuck on the ceiling, but conscious. She is a statue. In almost every situation, her biotic field would drop before she was able to shake free of the ice. 

Look at the durations. Shep would either be still floating (pull) or just falling down (singularity) once cryo has worn off. He has to get back on his feet. She would just be standing their. Ignoring mechanics, Morinth's biotic effect would last even longer. But that doesn't matter. She could just throw him across the room on her first strike, get her gun off the wall and shoot Shep dead.

Infiltrator Shepard probably has it worst, but that's just not saying much when it comes to Shepard. He/She is probably nearly as strong as a turian, and is a master at hand to hand. Going invisible would probably baffle Morinth, and she certainly wouldn't be able to know where to aim a biotic attack to separate herself from her hidden hunter.

An AOE blast (like the one she used to get out of Samara's hold) or even shockwave would hit him. There is no need to aim. Shep can't win, buddy. Face the facts. 

Shepard is prepared. He is as much on a mission to kill her, as she is to kill him. The difference is that he knows that she's an Ardak Yakshi, and she just thinks that he's some strong merc. 

Speculation.

Shepard is at her mercy. This is stated before you even go into the club. Why wait for Samara if Shep is such a tough guy? Why would he call himself bait and worry about going in naked?

Even if worst came to worst, she couldn't just chuck him out the window! I seem to remember Samara slamming Morinth into the window pretty damn hard, and it not breaking. She probably has bullet proof glass, in the event that someone like Krios got a contract  to take her out.

OK, so she'd just biotic beat him to death. I don't see how that leads to any better outcome.

Yeah. Two fully armed, fully armored, probably fully shielded mercs. Knocked out colder than the little filipino boy in my freezer. 

So, still think Shepard wouldn't stand a chance against Morinth?

Two fully armed run of the mill mercs whose aim would make a stormtrooper look like Thane with a sniper rifle. I laughed at that part when I first played Arrival. Good WTFLOL moment. Nice example (note:sarcasm). If only every merc couldn't hit a stationary target at point blank range.  .You're honestly comparing Morinth/Samara to those two? You're really scraping the barrel here...

Shepard can't beat Morinth unarmed. Especially considering she will be the one to make the first move. That is a fact. You can stick your fingers in your ears and scream lalalala all you want, but the facts make it clear that he would lose. Deal with it.

Modifié par Darkhour, 01 juin 2011 - 06:03 .

[100k]

Darkhour wrote...He can survive being tossed out a window all he wants. He's still getting knock out of it all the same.

Morinth's windows aren't thin panes of glass.

 
1.) Morinth would be the one attacking first (shep let her live remember. He won't be the one to initiate the fight). 2.) Shep isn't THAT close. 3.) All she has to get off is one attack

...did we play the same game? Because I remember Morinth practically SITTING ON SHEPARD'S LAP. On top of that, Ardak Yakshi serial killers don't initiate hostilities with biotic attacks. They try to overpower your mind, pervert you, and then rape you to death. 

There is no possible way Shepard can win. Cyborg or not. By your logic Legion would kick shepards ass hand-to-hand since he's full android. 

Oh wow. Thinking that Legion, a Geth platform who can probably bench 400 Ibs and anticipate the attacks of even the most highly trained organic could probably download an app that educates him on N7 CQC training protocols is utterly ridiculous. What's next? Grunt and Garrus are physically stronger than Shepard too? Grow up. Thane and Legion probably are better CQC masters than Shepard. Doesn't meant that Shepard is a useless thug. 

If Morinth drops a singularity between herself a Shepard he can't approach her. She can calmly take that assault rifle off the wall and shot Shep while he waits for the singularity to dissapate. There is no possible way Shepard can win if Morinth makes an effort to kill him. Pull is instantaneous and throw is not slow. Definitely not slow enough for someone to run over and stop it from happening.

Oh, I remember now, we're supposed to remember the "lore" of these games, and not the game play. Okay. Shepard uses his omni tool to either incinerate, or freeze Morinth, and she uses her singularity or biotics to grab Shepard. Morinth dies/is completely incapacitated. Unable to maintain her biotic field via loss of concentration (or death) Shepard falls to the floor, or the Singularity wears itself out.

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That's not exactly a fair comparison. If Shepard attacked her when she was sitting on his lap, he'd undoubtedly win.
True, in [this] scene she is standing about 8 ft away from him, but that doesn't exactly ensure that she'd be able to beat him. He still could cloak, tech spam, adrenaline rush, vanguard charge, or biotic spam her. This scene is the result of her killing Samara, or have you forgotten that she didn't get 8 ft away from him on accident?

Regarding Vasir: Vanguard is vanguard. Gameplay mechanics are irrelevant.

Sooo....what you're saying is...vanguards DON'T actually charge? Soldiers DON'T actually use adrenaline rush in combat? 

An AOE blast (like the one she used to get out of Samara's hold) or even shockwave would hit him. There is no need to aim. Shep can't win, buddy. Face the facts.

You don't think that a fvcking N7 infiltrator would be prepared for something like that? He could still break her neck before she had time to throw him off. Hell, if he even got his arms around her neck and she did this AOE blast, she'd risk snapping her own neck. 

Speculation.

Shepard is at her mercy. This is stated before you even go into the club. Why wait for Samara if Shep is such a tough guy? Why would he call himself bait and worry about going in naked?

Fact. Shepard knows who and what Morinth is. Samara told him. Shepard didn't kill her because that wasn't his place. Samara had been hunting her for 400 YEARS! I'd be pretty pissed if some guy just killed the person I'd been hunting for that long!

Two fully armed run of the mill mercs whose aim would make a stormtrooper look like Thane with a sniper rifle. I laughed at that part when I first played Arrival. Good WTFLOL moment. Nice example (note:sarcasm). If only every merc couldn't hit a stationary target at point blank range.  .You're honestly comparing Morinth/Samara to those two? You're really scraping the barrel here...

Shepard can't beat Morinth unarmed. Especially considering she will be the one to make the first move. That is a fact. You can stick your fingers in your ears and scream lalalala all you want, but the facts make it clear that he would lose. Deal with it.

The point isn't that the mercs have shields! The point is that he PUNCHED TWO ARMORED MERCS OUT! Morinth isn't armored. Can you put two and two together? Let me help you: if Shepard can punch out three armored men with blows to the head...then what do you think he'll do to an Asari serial killer with a punch to the skull? Keep in mind that she wouldn't see it coming (because she'd think he was seduced) and she isn't wearing a helmet. 

Need more convincing as to how powerful Shepard is with his physical strength? He. Smacked. Wrex. Off. His. Feet. And. Into. The. Sand. Before shooting him to death. WREX??? FVCKING WREX!!!! 

Now, in terms of dangerous in the ME series, this is my list:
1. Zaeed
2. Wrex
3. Shepard.

Both Zaeed and Wrex are more experienced, dangerous, and probably more skilled (in terms of sheer lore) than Shepard. But Shepard punched a (admittedly unsuspecting) KROGAN WAR LORD off of his feet. 

Don't tell me Morinth could survive that. And keep in mind, when Shep punched out Wrex, he WASN'T a cyborg.

Deal Wit It 

Modifié par 100k, 01 juin 2011 - 06:44 .

[mi55ter]

'Cause there's no female mud wrestling Friday nights on the Normandy?

[100k]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Hell, I'd love to see where you got that from

From your post

Yeah. Two [...]shielded mercs

Your comment is only relevant if you believe that kinetic barriers stop melee attacks.

Basically, I was saying that Shepard's ability to knock out two armoured mooks is completely independent of his ability (or lack thereof) to beat Morinth.

First of all, you censored out the "probably" in "shielded mercs". Not cool.

Second, that doesn't imply anything. At all. It is just a fact. I could have said that their armor was pink, but that wouldn't imply that his fists shouldn't be able to punch through painted armor. I also said that they were "armed", but this still doesn't detract from the fact that these men were clearly covered from head to foot in armor that is meant to repel and absorb physical attacks, and projectile attacks (when shield's fail). 

[100k]

In fact, adding to Shepard's physical abilities, Shepard's cyborg fist is probably as strong as Samara's biotic gauntlet. You know...the one she killed Morinth with?

[Kogaion]

Darkhour wrote...

Kogaion wrote...

i agree with 100K...and something that was never said here ..Shepard in ME 2 is a cyborg more or less ...half of Shepards body is sintetic (we find this after he wakes up) he can use the Widow sniper as a carry around wepon ( no human can use that ' the rifle will break a normal human arm..it's in the description of the weapon) so for ex. under adrenaline rush Shepard can punch 3 times in 1 sec. ( and those punches are deadly) so i don't think either one of them can survive for long ( as a sentinel i usualy go boxing around instead of using the wepon and everything dies ) + the armor of the sentinel is generated by his omnitool not by his basic armor so he allways has that sentinel armor to use 

Sentinel armor may be activated by an omni tool (like a remote activator), but it is not a omni-tool app. It is powered by the standard armors power system as its power runs off the same line as your suit shields.

you're wrong ..you played Kasumi loyalty mission? ...Shepard is without his usual armor  dressed in a cloth costume...and STILL has his  sentinel tech armor  through his omnitool...just wanted to point that out

Modifié par Kogaion, 01 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[Whyp_2]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Not really: Shepard just sides with Samara by default.

Shepard is always the decisive element.

Guess we know know who will make a cameo if you choose to play default Shepard in ME3