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[Lethys1]

I would say that DA2 is just awfully written, with many flaws in character reasoning, lack of logical story progression, the inability of the most powerful character in Kirkwall (Hawke) to actually have any effect on anything (like Anders' terrorism or Merrill's stupidity).  We all know this already.


What I'm asking is what is the specific moment that you thought was the absolute worst of the entire game.  For me, it's a tie between two.  The first moment is when you are doing Merrill's side quest and you are made to slaughter the entire dalish clan.  I wanted to turn on Merrill with her clan and have a nice old-fashioned elven lynching, but the game didn't give me that option, despite the fact that I was at full rival with her and wanted her dead since meeting her.  I had to kill the nice Dalish instead, which made me very upset.


My other moment, equally bad in my eyes, is when Orsino says he not only knew about Quentin, but that he hid him away from the other people because.....well, I don't remember why.  It makes no sense no matter how you slice the pie, though.  I can conceivably see someone wanting to hide another out of stupidity, but why tell people?  Just so that you look even worse than you already do?  So that you ****** off the one person who was supporting you the entire game (me)?  The entire thing only made me think even worse of mages.  Yes, mama Hawke is the worst main character in the entire game, but I still kind of felt something resembling regret when she died....rather, was sewn onto another person's body with enough time to give me that cheap cinematic farewell.


That's my two.  I understand that blowing up the chantry would be a common one, and I'd say it's just a small notch below those two moments in terms of poor quality.

[Kaiser Shepard]

If you 'took responsibility' for Marethari's death, her clan wouldn't turn on you and Merrill.

Also, I guess my least favorite moment is when your siblin dies during the prologue, as it would have added so much more if both Bethany and Carver made it with you to Kirkwall. Having a sibling in both the Circle and the Order would've made the stakes that much more personal.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 31 mai 2011 - 04:15 .

[CalJones]

The whole of Best Served Cold was messed up. As a pro-mage supporter, you end up wiping out all the moderate mages and templars - the very same guys you should be helping. And the worst thing about it is that you do it at Orsino's behest, not Merediths.

It felt like a quest that had originally been intended to be done for Meredith but was repurposed at the last moment due to lack of time and cut content. I don't know if that's the case but it certainly felt that way.

I just hated the fact that at the two meetings (the one in Hightown and the one in the warehouse) you infiltrate, no one bothers to actually talk to you - they just make assumptions and attack. You'd think they would at least think "oh hey, there's the guy who killed the Arishok, we better find out what he wants" but no, they all rush to commit suicide by Hawke. Gah!

[Foolsfolly]

A lyrium idol made me do it.

In a series where decisions are made through character development from a studio who routinely put out games with loads of character depth, this one move slapped me across the face.

It was followed quickly by Orsino saying "No we're winning too much. AND NOW I MUST KILL MY ALLIES AND TRANSFORM INTO A MONSTER!"

And then the Templar ending goes much better....and then Meredith goes paranoid and Cullen says the "plan was to arrest" Hawke and I facepalm again. You're going to arrest the guy who always defended the Templars who just single-handedly took out the Mages? Oh, and now you go crazy again.

I think I disliked the entire 3rd Act.

[TEWR]

when that guy was like "WHOA!!" and he was like "WHOAAA!!!" and then that guy was like "whoooaa...."

[Kileyan]

I dislike the quest where one of the Templars(I think templar?) sets you up on taking the Qunari mage throught the secret passage. When I came back, I was especting a fight and wanted a fight. I wanted to kill the smug biatch who set me up. Instead I had no control at all, it foreshadowed how the whole game would play out. Mr. Passive.

[The Baconer]

1-At the end of Shepherding Wolves, you can threaten to kill Sister Petrice, and she responds with "No thank you." Seriously, what?

2-Orsino derping out at the end of a Pro-Mage playthrough.

[Kileyan]

The Baconer wrote...

1-At the end of Shepherding Wolves, you can threaten to kill Sister Petrice, and she responds with "No thank you." Seriously, what?
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Yes that is what I meant above. Not a templar. Either way, it was annoying as hell to put up with the storyline, knowing what was happening, knowing i wasn't allowed my chance to kill her, then putting up with an entire chapter reminding me that I am not allowed to make a decision to kill her, until Bioware decides it is time to allow me to do it. Then of course I have no choices either.

Modifié par Kileyan, 31 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[Ryzaki]

Hawke's inability to do anything on his own.

...Oh wait that's pretty much the whole game isn't it?

Seriously though it would have to be Hawke warning Cullen about Anders' chantry plans with Anders in the party and Cullen does NOTHING about it other than saying "I'll talk to some people."

[jamirflyd2]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

If you 'took responsibility' for Marethari's death, her clan wouldn't turn on you and Merrill.

Also, I guess my least favorite moment is when your siblin dies during the prologue, as it would have added so much more if both Bethany and Carver made it with you to Kirkwall. Having a sibling in both the Circle and the Order would've made the stakes that much more personal.

I agree this would have made for great drama having your siblings on the two sides. Plus the death by class is reallt random and doesn't make sense to me. And your not being able to save your mom is werid when you can save your siblings in the deep roads with Anders. I mean DAO was amazing and after a time I have come to love DA2 but I still wish there was more to it. I don't think it was terrible but I don't think it was a deep as the first which is sad though a lot od DLC may make me a bit happier like new clothes and I don't know kids! I swear there should be so many more kids than a possible one with Morrigan (who I love!) and the Dwarf Male Noble! Princes just get everything! >.<

[Raygereio]

Oh boy, OP. You do realise the impossibility of answering a question like this? I mean, there's so much badness to choose from!
Seriously though; if you'd put a gun to my head and force me to spit out the scene where I had the strongest aversion to, then it would probably be Leandra's death scene. The mind boggled at how poorly done that was. I'm not even talking about the whole quest-chain (which wasn't exactly good in and of itself), but just the fact that mommy was turned into Frankenstein's moster to just have her deliver not-that-great-lines.
I don't konw whose bright idea that was, but congratulation! You ruined any emotional impact that scene could have had.

Now that I think about it, that scene is Dragon Age 2 in a nutshell. A good idea, but a horrible execution. This even though it would have required so little to make said execution better.
Take this scene, for instance. Don't tell me noone thinks it would have had far more impact if Leandra was truly dead after the battle and with Hawke talking to a not-aswering corpse in his/her hands. Hawke could be angry at Leandra corpse, comforting, or just try to joke about things, and after a few moment the companions could walk up to Hawke and try to take him/her home.
That would have had impact, with all in all not that much alteration in the scene. It would also not have made me laugh, unlike the current scene.

Modifié par Raygereio, 31 mai 2011 - 07:54 .

[jussyr]

Not being able to kill Merrill when she cast blood magic in front of my 'kills all blood mages on sight' character. Or after the Flemeth amulet thing was done, at least. Or when she betrayed me in the Fade and fought for a demon. Or when she forced us into slaughtering her entire clan.

[Wulfram]

Best Served Cold is just stupid from start to finish.

Foolsfolly wrote...

And then the Templar ending goes much better....and then Meredith goes paranoid and Cullen says the "plan was to arrest" Hawke and I facepalm again. You're going to arrest the guy who always defended the Templars who just single-handedly took out the Mages? Oh, and now you go crazy again.

Sure Meredith is being crazy there, but Cullen agreeing to the arrest of Hawke to check things out is reasonable enough.  The game requires that Hawke will have done at least a few things that would give the Templars pause - arriving in Kirkwall with an Apostate sister, if nothing else.  Holding Hawke while things are investigated is a reasonable compromise with his crazy commander.

Really, it makes far more sense than Cullen's idea that arresting a mage supporting Apostate Hawke is a viable option.

[Zeevico]

CalJones wrote...

The whole of Best Served Cold was messed up. As a pro-mage supporter, you end up wiping out all the moderate mages and templars - the very same guys you should be helping. And the worst thing about it is that you do it at Orsino's behest, not Merediths.

It felt like a quest that had originally been intended to be done for Meredith but was repurposed at the last moment due to lack of time and cut content. I don't know if that's the case but it certainly felt that way.

I just hated the fact that at the two meetings (the one in Hightown and the one in the warehouse) you infiltrate, no one bothers to actually talk to you - they just make assumptions and attack. You'd think they would at least think "oh hey, there's the guy who killed the Arishok, we better find out what he wants" but no, they all rush to commit suicide by Hawke. Gah!

Yep.

I dislike the quest where one of the Templars(I think templar?) sets you
up on taking the Qunari mage throught the secret passage. When I came
back, I was especting a fight and wanted a fight. I wanted to kill the
smug biatch who set me up. Instead I had no control at all, it
foreshadowed how the whole game would play out. Mr. Passive.

Yep.

Being an apostate mage and talking to Meredith. (or being any class and
bringing Anders along) Just... no, Champion or no, that's a bitter pill
to swallow. Any apostate in his right mind wouldn't even enter the
Gallows, much less stride right into Templar Hall... and talk to the
Knight Commander... gawd...

Yep.

[Cutlass Jack]

Lethys1 wrote...

What I'm asking is what is the specific moment that you thought was the absolute worst of the entire game.  For me, it's a tie between two.  The first moment is when you are doing Merrill's side quest and you are made to slaughter the entire dalish clan.  I wanted to turn on Merrill with her clan and have a nice old-fashioned elven lynching, but the game didn't give me that option, despite the fact that I was at full rival with her and wanted her dead since meeting her.  I had to kill the nice Dalish instead, which made me very upset.

The only thing that 'made' you have to slaughter them was yourself. The fight was completely avoidable.

[fightright2]

There are too many to chose from. Really.
But your wanting the least favorite story moment.
Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the terrorist bomb that Anders set. I really wish they had chosen some other mage.

[Beerfish]

Original post was pretty stupid and trollish, due to the comments about 'all the terrible writing' and giving the 'but we already knew this' rubbish. Don't assume that people agree with your opinion that all the writing was bad, if you want to, head to the crap non-spoiler forums.

Now to answer the main question. Orsino turning into a harvester would be the bad part for me.

[MDT1]

Beerfish wrote...

Now to answer the main question. Orsino turning into a harvester would be the bad part for me.

Especially if you support mages and theres only one templar archer still alive.

[Fidget6]

 Carver/Bethany dying/becoming a grey warden/joining the circle/joining the templars. Not being able to stop that infamous Anders moment (you know the one.) Sebastian's entire story (yawn) And, as someone else pointed out, Meredith and others not minding the fact that a powerful apostate is running free if you play a mage.

[Fidget6]

[double post. ugh]

Modifié par Fidget6, 31 mai 2011 - 02:18 .

[Wulfram]

Fidget6 wrote...
And, as someone else pointed out, Meredith and others not minding the fact that a powerful apostate is running free if you play a mage.

Meredith does mind.  After all, she tries to kill Hawke at the end of the game.  But since you saved the whole of the cities nobility, she's forced to tolerate you until she gets an excuse.

Modifié par Wulfram, 31 mai 2011 - 02:32 .

[Nerdage]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Wayyyy to many to choose from.
However, I feel this deserves a honorable mention:

Wow, that's pretty epic, glad I never tried that..

Personally, if I can only pick one, my least favourite moment starts with saving Orsino's sorry skin and ends with a mound of walking flesh attacking me. I wish it turned back into Orsino afterwards so I could give him a proper slap before I murder-knife him.