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[Phoenix_Loftian]

The strongest was Meredith with the idol in her possession.

In the prologue where a sibling dies and throughout Act 1, you obviously aren't the strongest.

Act II? Yeah, you beat the Arishok but only after Meredith clears the way for you. The only reason she didn't go into the Viscount's Keep herself was to buy you time while she fought a squad of Qunari with her Templars. She even makes it all the way into the Keep where you are after the business with the Arishok is done.

She goes unchallenged for 3 years and is able to stop Orsino at every instance. If you pick the Templars, she helps fight against Orsino's monster form (which doesn't really make Orsino the strongest as an individual since he used 3 other people to strengthen himself). She doesn't fall in a battle against the thing either.

During your fight with her? She can move so fast that you can't even stop her. She can teleport herself/jump all around the field of battle. There is simply no way Hawke could take her down all alone. Never mind the inanimate objects she's able to turn into mechanical killing machines.

You only beat her with the help of more than your usual 3 party members, sometimes with the help of cameo characters like Zevran or Donnic.

Compare Hawke to the Warden as well. The Warden is around level 20 at the end of Origins which takes place approximately a little more than a year in total. It takes Hawke seven years to reach that same peak of strength. The Warden is still stronger assuming you've done Awakenings.

Hawke may be formidable but he isn't like the Warden. He isn't the strongest in Kirkwall. That title, based on what I've seen, goes to Meredith.

[jamirflyd2]

I don't think Meredith was that strong she was in Act 3's ending like a drug addict on idol crack that enhanced her normal old girl would probably tremble before teh Champ and HOF (Hero of Ferelden).

[Kaiser Shepard]

Meredith wasn't the strongest person before she went all Konstantin Brayko on Cullen and Hawke.

[Zanallen]

Why are we comparing levels gained within the time frame of the game? That's silly.

[TobiTobsen]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Meredith wasn't the strongest person before she went all Konstantin Brayko on Cullen and Hawke.

But Braykos choice of background music was way cooler than Meredith's.

[GodWood]

Phoenix_Loftian wrote...
Compare Hawke to the Warden as well. The Warden is around level 20 at the end of Origins which takes place approximately a little more than a year in total. It takes Hawke seven years to reach that same peak of strength. The Warden is still stronger assuming you've done Awakenings.

Gameplay and levels don't represent the PC's (nor his companion's) strength or abilities.

This is obvious

Hawke may be formidable but he isn't like the Warden. He isn't the strongest in Kirkwall. That title, based on what I've seen, goes to Meredith.

My Warden was ****** weak and avoided fighting at all costs.

[whykikyouwhy]

It all depends on how we are defining strength. Physical prowess and might? Strength of resolve or character? Virtue or integrity? Strength comes in many forms.

I'm not sure where Hawke has been described as the strongest person in Kirkwall, but the reference could very well be applicable to his/her influence. (And before I get flamed, I know there is a lot of disagreement about how much actual decision-making Hawke is capable of doing, or if he/she is truly able to act freely in the circumstances presented in the game.) I would venture to say that at game's end, Hawke has made a considerable impact in Thedas - maybe not by direct choices, but he/she has come to represent/be symbolic of change that the world may not be ready for.

[Kaiser Shepard]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Meredith wasn't the strongest person before she went all Konstantin Brayko on Cullen and Hawke.

But Braykos choice of background music was way cooler than Meredith's.

True, true.

Put on your red shoes, let's dance!

[Cutlass Jack]

Meh Brayko and Meredith were pushovers.

But thats because I had superior background music. No one can stand up to that for long.

[Soul Cool]

Just put the Nyan Song on. Everybody wins.

Well, except the dead people, but who cares about them, anyway?

[Sister Helen]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Meh Brayko and Meredith were pushovers.

But thats because I had superior background music. No one can stand up to that for long.

Oh you miserable pirate.  Now that damned song is going to be playing in my head all day long.

[MDT1]

Because it sounded cool in marketing and like with most that sounden cool in DA2 marketing it has actually no foundation in the game.

[TobiTobsen]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Meh Brayko and Meredith were pushovers.

Yeah... but Brayko just lost because someone (Steven Heck, you rock!) messed up his cocaine and he went insane.

Wait... doesn't that sound familiar? I'm pretty sure Steven Heck sold Meredith the lyrium idol and not Bartrand.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 31 mai 2011 - 11:25 .

[Ulicus]

Phoenix_Loftian wrote...

Compare Hawke to the Warden as well. The Warden is around level 20 at the end of Origins which takes place approximately a little more than a year in total. It takes Hawke seven years to reach that same peak of strength. The Warden is still stronger assuming you've done Awakenings.

lol

[LobselVith8]

Phoenix_Loftian wrote...

Hawke may be formidable but he isn't like the Warden. He isn't the strongest in Kirkwall. That title, based on what I've seen, goes to Meredith.

Meredith notes Hawke's strength in her battle with him, despite all the power she now commands because of the Lyrium Idol.

[Annarl]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Meh Brayko and Meredith were pushovers.

Yeah... but Brayko just lost because someone (Steven Heck, you rock!) messed up his cocaine and he went insane.

Wait... doesn't that sound familiar? I'm pretty sure Steven Heck sold Meredith the lyrium idol and not Bartrand.

You gotta love Heck   :Dbut you can kill Brayo without the messed up cocaine by going to Russia first.  I think.

[Phoenix_Loftian]

In this case, it isn't silly to compare them. You get automatic level ups in Awakenings if you import your Origins character early and by the end of Awakenings your level 30. And by strength, I obviously meant the strongest at fighting.

Dragon Age's leveling system is linear and can be used in this instance as a comparison.

[MDT1]

Phoenix_Loftian wrote...

In this case, it isn't silly to compare them. You get automatic level ups in Awakenings if you import your Origins character early and by the end of Awakenings your level 30. And by strength, I obviously meant the strongest at fighting.

Dragon Age's leveling system is linear and can be used in this instance as a comparison.

So where are the skill trees in DAO?

No the comparison is silly because the 2 games are based on 2 differnt skill systems.

Its like saying games are cheaper in England compared to Germany, just because the numbers are lower.

Modifié par MDT1, 31 mai 2011 - 03:16 .

[dragonflight288]

The mage warden can learn several spells in several schools. Can even animate the dead without blood magic, can become an arcane warrior, a shapeshifter (and thereby potentially a dragon), Hawke can become a blood mage, a force mage, or a spirit healer.

Granted, Hawke can upgrade spells too.

I would say the Warden has more skills available, and where one has options, one is versatile and much more deadly.

[Cutlass Jack]

omearaee wrote...

You gotta love Heck   :Dbut you can kill Brayo without the messed up cocaine by going to Russia first.  I think.

First I heard about that option. Brayko was on the first hub I hit, so hadn't met Heck yet. But Heck was about the best thing in that game. Never would have guessed that.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 31 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[JustinS1985]

Hawke is obviously the strongest because lightly tapping anything with his weapon causes it to explode into a pile of gore. I can only assume sandal showed him how to use the boom, but it's still a terrifying power.

[CrookedAsylum]

JustinS1985 wrote...

Hawke is obviously the strongest because lightly tapping anything with his weapon causes it to explode into a pile of gore. I can only assume sandal showed him how to use the boom, but it's still a terrifying power.

So that's why Varric thinks Hawke smells.

He carries around salamanders.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well I'll just assume from what I've seen of the characters (not in-gameplay) who would beat who:

Meredith with the Idol - Stronger than Hawke. Arguably if she didn't have any statues to take advantage of maybe it would take Hawke and only three other people to take her down.

Meredith without Idol - Hawke would be stronger (Hawke in his prime at the end of Act III I mean.) I think Meredith would still be able to defeat the Arishok though.

The Warden/Hero Of Ferelden (sorry...just felt like mentioning him) - Stronger than Hawke, stronger than normal Meredith, and maybe just very slightly stronger than Meredith with the Idol. Or at least equal or quite close...

Meredith with the Idol could probably almost defeat an Archdemon and defeat Flemeth in her dragon form...The Warden needed help to fight the Archdemon. I would imagine that The Warden would have trouble solo fighting Meredith, I think he/she'd triumph though.

[Sajuro]

I think that my Warrior Hawke would be able to take Meredith without the soul edge in a straight up fight, because she would have Varric start shooting at Meredith about halfway through XD. I don't know why people are saying the hero of ferelden is so strong, I know i could not have gotten through denerim without calling in the armies in all of the areas and especially in the final battle against the archdemon, I only won even on casual because the whole time my rogue warden was wailing on the archdemon along with Alister and Dog, Wynne was shooting it with the ballistas.

[Foolsfolly]

Hawke has the strength of ten men plus two!