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[Janus198]

I killed Anders but what about Justice?
Did he left the dead body or is this a similar situation like Kristoff?

[Cutlass Jack]

If there's any Justice in this world, his spirit possessed a Pigeon. In Ferelden.

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If there's any Justice in this world, his spirit possessed a Pigeon. In Ferelden.

A-freakin-men! 

[Raygereio]

I don't think we really know until a writer comes along and clarifies the lore on this.
Regardless, considering Anders and Justice according to his/their own words became one schizo-being, I think it's a safe guess Justice went down with Anders, instead of going back to the Fade.
Or heck, what do I know? Maybe Anders went and joined Justice in the Fade.

Modifié par Raygereio, 31 mai 2011 - 01:46 .

[fightright2]

Perhaps he is considered 'free' to go where ever he chooses.
Or perhaps the maker?

[Beerfish]

He probably wiped his brow and went "Whew! Finally I'm free of that whiny prig! Where the heck is Kristoff, he was way better, rotting and all."

[Janus198]

Raygereio wrote...

I don't think we really know until a writer comes along and clarifies the lore on this.

I know the answer already. Its mabye or maybe not.
I don´t think Anju plays a big role (companion) in DA 3 but as enemy or cameo why not?

[Rinji the Bearded]

I still wouldn't be comfortable with Justice running free, either. He represents an ideal that is easily corrupted, as we saw with Anders. Anders wasn't completely to blame -- if you blame him, you must also blame Justice. They were both equally horrible for one another. To blame one but not the other would be a discredit all around.

Anyway, who knows -- if Justice is set free from Anders, who is going to stop him from being attracted to some other mage with similar circumstances?  Even though my Hawke yelled at Merrill a lot, I do have to agree with her.  Demons AND spirits are dangerous.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 31 mai 2011 - 03:27 .

[Amagoi]

I'm sure he's still floating around, doing all sorts of Just things.

If he's free from Anders' body for an extended time, would he begin to revert to his original Justice self? Or will he continue to be the demon Vengeance?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Best Icon Ever, Amagoi.

I'm interested to see if the transformation is permanent as well... or even if it was truly complete. If beneficial spirits can turn into demons so easily, is there no way to turn them back? And Vengeance isn't wrath... it's not one of the central types. Is there some new thing halfway between demon and spirit?

[Vit246]

I like to think that Justice returned to the fade.

[Vlondril]

Amagoi wrote...

I'm sure he's still floating around, doing all sorts of Just things.

If he's free from Anders' body for an extended time, would he begin to revert to his original Justice self? Or will he continue to be the demon Vengeance?

I really hope that he reverts back to being a spirit of Justice---especially to see how he'd cope with his hand in blowing up the chantry. 

I loved Justice in Awakening, and it was interesting to watch his growth as a character.  Seeing him as a one-note fanatic in DA2 broke my tiny little Justice-loving heart. 

[Ryzaki]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If there's any Justice in this world, his spirit possessed a Pigeon. In Ferelden.

 

Yes. Yeeess. 

[Amagoi]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Best Icon Ever, Amagoi.

I'm interested to see if the transformation is permanent as well... or even if it was truly complete. If beneficial spirits can turn into demons so easily, is there no way to turn them back? And Vengeance isn't wrath... it's not one of the central types. Is there some new thing halfway between demon and spirit?

Thanks! Though really, all the credit goes to the amazing comic Manly Guys Doing Manly Things.

Vengeance being in some odd middle ground between Spirit and Demon makes things interesting. Can Vengeance be redeemed into Justice? Does he revert back to Justice without the interference of Anders emotions, or do they permanetly stain him? Can all spirits be perveted into demons, and can demons become something better than what they are?

It's really interesting. Can a creature that exists in a constantly changing world, but never changes itself, start to change itself in a world that is static? That's why I really hope Justice comes back. Either as his old self, haunted by what he did as Vengeance, or still as a demon of Vengeance.

Though honestly, I want him to go back to being Justice. I loved that crazy spirit and his bone-dry humor. Vengeance had none of that.

[dragonflight288]

Justice in Awakening wasn't all about KILL EVERYONE. When he talks to Velanna, he mentions the horrible acts committed by her were the result of a misunderstanding, and that was caused by her ultimate hatred of almost all humans (Nathanial being an exception, I think she has something of a crush on him if you listen to their dialogue progress). Justice outright states she must atone to other humans, and learn to cope with her own hatred.

The Justice in DA2 was all about killing every templar because they are evil and oppress mages. There is no more room for atonement, the individual is removed. He outright ignores the rot that comes from within the system, something he didn't do with Velanna and her hatred.

[Rifneno]

I think Justice corrupted Anders far more than the other way around. Anders spends all his time healing poor people in a sewer, it's only in Act III when it's pretty obvious Justice has gained a lot more control that he starts blowing stuff up.

[dragonflight288]

Not arguing that. The only part of Justice I think was corrupted was how he dealt with templars.

[Amagoi]

I think Anders own repressed rage at the Circles and the Templars affected Justice in a very keen way. It was a symbiotic relationship, and they changed each other for the worse I think. Up until DA2 it's debatable that Justice every really 'felt' anything. Maybe in Awakening a bit of wonder, and sorrow, but nothing as strong as rage or hate.

I think that rage perverted Justice into Vengeance more than anything else, which is why I wonder if disembodied Vengeance would be cut off from those feelings and start to calm down, and revert to Justice. Or something else, as it's likely DA2 would make him feel much less sure about the black and white view he had on what justice was before.

It was pretty tragic in Act 3 when Vengeance had the most control of Anders near the end. Especially for people like myself who loved both characters in Awakenings.

[dragonflight288]

Hmm. If Justice is truly separated from Anders, and he ever does start mellowing out, would he become a spirit of regret? Seriously, the Chantry houses orphans, the affirmed people wanting to get out of their previous lives in addition to the priests and templars. That's a lot of innocents dying.