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[JunMadine]

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

[Clonedzero]

im totally ok with killing samara. she was easily my least favorite ME2 character.

[100k]

Her fight better be AT LEAST as good as Vasir's. Not just a three shield layered caster class Asari.

[J0HNL3I]

But it was for the greater good so maybe it's alright?

[Labrev]

I'll pull a Nihlus, use her code against her. Funny how moments like that never help her realize what a tool she is.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

She was so black and white that she became anoying and boring. If she does come after my Paragon Shep he'll beat her down and then tell her hos much of a farce she is attacking the only person that can prevent the death of everyone in the galaxy.

Then put a boot in her neck if she won't yeild.

[Sebby]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll pull a Nihlus, use her code against her. Funny how moments like that never help her realize what a tool she is.

The Shadow Broker in his dossier of her notes that she's very predictable.

[rolson00]

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

the reapers were coming they were dead ne way

[InHarmsWay]

rolson00 wrote...

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

the reapers were coming they were dead ne way

She even admitted that she would kill anyone who gets in her way towards justice. Like that cop just trying to do her job on Illium.

[Zall]

InHarmsWay wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

the reapers were coming they were dead ne way

She even admitted that she would kill anyone who gets in her way towards justice. Like that cop just trying to do her job on Illium.

Indeed. The Justicar is not stupid, just uncompromising and cold. As said, it's goal is to punish the wicked and defend the innocent.

More innocent could be defended by destroying the Mass Relay. It is a valid point though, that if the code prohibits this type of action she would be compelled to kill Shepard.

[Silver]

We don't know yet if what Shepard did is "wicked" by Justicar Standards, but on Earth killing 300k People would be considered genocidal, or at least classified as a major slaughter.

Perhaps there is something in there about "the greater good" but so far we don't know that yet.
It will be interesting what the Council thinks about this...

[jamesp81]

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

Samara's code compels her to save the most innocents that she can, first and foremost.  The Reapers were going to enter that star system.  Those colonists were dead no matter what.  So it was either destroy the Alpha Relay and the colony, or let trillions die.

I think it's almost without doubt she'd have made the same choice Shepard did.

[jamesp81]

I see the hate for one of my favorite squad members is thick in this thread <_<

[AlexMBrennan]

Samara was quite willing to die slaughtering police officers because her stupid code demanded it - if she had backed off she'd have lived without Shepard's intervention to confront Morinth at some point in the future.
Evidently her personal delusions are more important than local law, the greater good and basic common sense (she became a justicar to hunt her AY daughter so letting her get away because of the justicar code is insane)

[jamesp81]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Samara was quite willing to die slaughtering police officers because her stupid code demanded it - if she had backed off she'd have lived without Shepard's intervention to confront Morinth at some point in the future.
Evidently her personal delusions are more important than local law, the greater good and basic common sense (she became a justicar to hunt her AY daughter so letting her get away because of the justicar code is insane)

You're operating under an incorrect supposition.

Justicars are not unlike Spectres within Asari space, although they are more tightly regulated (the Code itself places great restraints on what a Justicar can and cannot do; Spectres, on the other hand, can do whatever they damned well please).  In any case, the Justicar code is above lesser Asari law, just the same way that US federal law is above state and local law.  Samara's code does not allow her to be placed into custody.  Like it or not, she is in the right under Asari legal tradition, and Anaya's superiors were in the wrong.  Given that the Justicar Code is apparently superior to other bodies of Asari law and that cops ought to have a basic understanding of the law, that really speaks to how profoundly stupid Anaya's superiors were.

Modifié par jamesp81, 31 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[Pure tankbred]

you should not have to kill her if you never got the dlc so there should be alternates

[AlexMBrennan]

Samara says that she should go to the krogan homeworld to kill people because they hold varren fights - does her justicar authority supersede krogan law as well?

Also, even if you are right about justicars being above the law - which I dispute - sitting this one out would have allowed her to a) not kill a load of police officers and continue her pursuit of Morinth. Not getting killed over a minor technicality (whether police have the power to arrest justicars or not) would have been for the *greater good*.

Edit: I just read the Codex article and there's nothing about justicars having Spectre-like above-the-law status - where are you getting that from?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 31 mai 2011 - 05:45 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Regardless of Arrival, Samara does appear to have had enough of Renegade Shepard. She practically says she would kill you without a second thought were she not under her Code. Bloody cameo for ME3 here I come!

[SlottsMachine]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Regardless of Arrival, Samara does appear to have had enough of Renegade Shepard. She practically says she would kill you without a second thought were she not under her Code. Bloody cameo for ME3 here I come!

That's a plot fail to show the danger Samara poses to some renegade Shepard's, IMO. And I think people put too much importance on it. But I agree, cameo it is.

[Someone With Mass]

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

[TexasToast712]

**** can try.

[jamesp81]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Samara says that she should go to the krogan homeworld to kill people because they hold varren fights - does her justicar authority supersede krogan law as well?

Also, even if you are right about justicars being above the law - which I dispute - sitting this one out would have allowed her to a) not kill a load of police officers and continue her pursuit of Morinth. Not getting killed over a minor technicality (whether police have the power to arrest justicars or not) would have been for the *greater good*.

Edit: I just read the Codex article and there's nothing about justicars having Spectre-like above-the-law status - where are you getting that from?

Samara will speak at length about the role of Justicars if you talk to her on the Normandy and ask her about it.  It's pretty clear from her various conversations that Justicars are essentially judges, juries, and executioners inside Asari space.  I think a comparison to Judge Dredd is pretty apt here.  It's also kind of inferred; if Justicars were not servants to the supreme law of the Asari, they'd have been done away with long ago since the sort of conflict Samara has with the cops on Illium is almost certainly not an unheard of or extremely rare occurrence.  I'd guess, however, that most cops in Asari space understand that whole judge, jury, and executioner aspect of a Justicar and probably don't get in their way as much as Anaya's ****** superiors determined they would.  I can only guess that Illium, being a corporate run world, doesn't consider itself to be part of Asari space proper.  It is, however, an Asari colonized and run world, and I doubt the Justicar Order bothers with such technicalities; I suspect they view Illium as an Asari world and aren't concerned with the finer details of how the colony is organized.

As for operating outside Asari space....I can only guess.  I'd assume that the Code permits it, but on a practical level a Justicar would undoubtedly understand that she won't enjoy any legal recognition outside of Asari space.

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

So oyu odn't like her for following her people's laws to a "T" who knew being a good "special forces" operative could be sucha  terrible trait.

[Senior Cinco]

100k wrote...

Her fight better be AT LEAST as good as Vasir's. Not just a three shield layered caster class Asari.

Nothing can be as good as Vasir's anything... ( I'm still trying to romance her from the other thread ) ATTENTION: Dense troll cops. This is in ref to a farse.

Samara and her code BS reminds me of Terminator. Once she gets programed for distruction, there is only one way to turn her off. All I can say is "Come on with it..Smurfette"

[Destroy Raiden_]

Oh yeah I kinda forgot about that....but with Samara it's like a game that only she knows the rules to I only hear about what would be bad for a justicar after the act has already been done....she also doesn't care what the excuse is she'll try to kill you anyway like Nilus and that girl he killed her for whatever reason and she still tracked him down weather it was she was a criminal and Samara didn't know about that or the girl truly was innocent.