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[Someone With Mass]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

So oyu odn't like her for following her people's laws to a "T" who knew being a good "special forces" operative could be sucha  terrible trait.

Eh...yes?

Killing people because of petty crimes is not something I support. Or threaten to kill police officers simply because they're doing their job, for that matter.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Regardless of Arrival, Samara does appear to have had enough of Renegade Shepard. She practically says she would kill you without a second thought were she not under her Code. Bloody cameo for ME3 here I come!

I just hope they don't tie Morinth to Samara as much as they did Ash and Kaidan in ME2.

Nor should it be a polar opposite thing in that if Paragon Shepard kept Morinth alive they shouldn't be running into her looking to kill/mindmeld them just because they are Paragon.

Course the other thing is that Samara said she would help Paragon Shepard again if called upon in the future. Again I don't want it to be a polar opposite thing for Morinth wanting to help Renegade Shepard as again that would be stupid.

Samara cameo in ME3 imho should be you encounter her on some world and she either sides with you or against you depending on Paragon or Renegade. If Paragon once that is over and done with she goes off to do whatever she was doing before the encounter.

Morinth cameo should just be her finding another victim and Paragon OR Renegade Shep having choice whether to let her have her fun or kill her off this time.

That's just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around.

[Akizora]

I would be happy to kill Samara, she lives by a code that is an hypocracy in itself and can drive 2 seperate Justicars to kill each other given two distinct scenarios. They wouldn't need a motivation or any information, all they need is the code.

[MACharlie1]

I still believe Morinth may have a greater purpose in the long run. That "genetic destiny of the Asari" has to mean something. Maybe try melding with a Reaper.

[AngelicMachinery]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I still believe Morinth may have a greater purpose in the long run. That "genetic destiny of the Asari" has to mean something. Maybe try melding with a Reaper.

Too me,  it's just rambling and trying to affirm her place in the universe.

[Someone With Mass]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I still believe Morinth may have a greater purpose in the long run. That "genetic destiny of the Asari" has to mean something. Maybe try melding with a Reaper.

Too me,  it's just rambling and trying to affirm her place in the universe.

Yeah, I'm going with the rambling.

[jamesp81]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

So oyu odn't like her for following her people's laws to a "T" who knew being a good "special forces" operative could be sucha  terrible trait.

Eh...yes?

Killing people because of petty crimes is not something I support. Or threaten to kill police officers simply because they're doing their job, for that matter.

Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society...that's just the way it is in the land of the blue women, like it or not.

[Someone With Mass]

jamesp81 wrote...
Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society...that's just the way it is in the land of the blue women, like it or not.

See, it's the hypocrisy that pisses me off. Maybe I should kill her next time she kills someone. Make one big hypocrisy circle.

[Silentblaze]

I think it depends on her response to your paragon/renegade behavior.

Shepard can claim he didn't destroy the batarian colony. If your mostly paragon then she'll probably take your word for it. If your mostly renegade then she will probably won't believe you.

[jamesp81]

Someone With Mass wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society...that's just the way it is in the land of the blue women, like it or not.

See, it's the hypocrisy that pisses me off. Maybe I should kill her next time she kills someone. Make one big hypocrisy circle.

And what exactly is hypocritical about Justicars?  I keep hearing this claim made, but no real proof is ever provided.  If you simply don't like how they operate, that's fine, but I'm not seeing this hypocrisy thing at all.

[Slurms McKenzie]

I wouldn't worry about it, Batarians aren't people anyway. Hahahahahahaha.......

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Someone With Mass]

It's when the Justicars are killing people because they're criminals. If they can kill people based on the smallest accusation, like a bribe then I think they're no better than the criminal murderers. Because killing someone because they committed a small crime like bribery won't solve anything.

[AngelicMachinery]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's when the Justicars are killing people because they're criminals. If they can kill people based on the smallest accusation, like a bribe then I think they're no better than the criminal murderers. Because killing someone because they committed a small crime like bribery won't solve anything.

Indeed,  truthfully Samara seems far more Renegade than Paragon,  but hey.

[AlexMBrennan]

@jamesp81: Well, evident it isn't fine with you,

Someone With Mass wrote...
Eh...yes?
Killing people because of petty crimes is not something I support. Or threaten to kill police officers simply because they're doing their job, for that matter.

Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society...that's just the way it is in the land of the blue women, like it or not.

Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society

No they are not - if they were then Samara could just have ordered them to release her or sought a diplomatic solution.

Sorry, but it's the cop killing thing and the religious fanaticism angle again - and I don't quite see how one could possibly defend such a person. Edit: Morinth is a violent murdering psychopath but at least she's not under the delusion that what she's doing is "right"
I might recruit Samara next time to get that dialogue but until such a time I'll just pretend that justicars don't exist - it's not like they or Samara are in any way relevant to the plot.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 31 mai 2011 - 08:50 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Regardless of Arrival, Samara does appear to have had enough of Renegade Shepard. She practically says she would kill you without a second thought were she not under her Code. Bloody cameo for ME3 here I come!

Samara says that she values their friendship, but that she would be compelled to kill Shepard by the code if she wasn't sworn to him/her. At least, thats what she said to my renegade shepard, perhaps its different if you're meaner to her or something?

@jamesp81 - The Justicars exist to punish the wicked and protect the innocent, yes? The thing is, Samaras code can easily compel her to kill innocents if they got in her way (police at the station). The Justicar code has no place in an advanced society, it manages to be naive yet uncompromising and brutal all at the same time.

I like Samara as a character, but her code is wrong and its part of who she is. Like the asari cop says, whoever she was before she took her oath is dead.

[Dean_the_Young]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

So you odn't like her for following her people's laws to a "T" who knew being a good "special forces" operative could be sucha  terrible trait.

You seem to be confused.

No good special forces on Earth today is not only distinguished by being outside of government control, but posses the acknwledged de facto role as judge, jury, and even excutioner for any and all crimes they come across, lethal crimes or not. Nor do any contemporary special forces groups abide by pseudo-religious cults as their driving, organizational, and ideological indoctrination force.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 31 mai 2011 - 09:01 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's when the Justicars are killing people because they're criminals. If they can kill people based on the smallest accusation, like a bribe then I think they're no better than the criminal murderers. Because killing someone because they committed a small crime like bribery won't solve anything.

Or smuggling. Or even (confused or not) attacking a Justicar.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Silentblaze wrote...

I think it depends on her response to your paragon/renegade behavior.

Shepard can claim he didn't destroy the batarian colony. If your mostly paragon then she'll probably take your word for it. If your mostly renegade then she will probably won't believe you.

Knowing her code on killing innocents I would expect her to try to kill you either way be it para or ren so long as you completed and participated in Arrival. I just can't see her agreeing with para shep saying I tried to warn the colony and the console was damaged so I couldn't stop the rock either. I think maybe she could find some type of painful punishment that won't kill shep but will be a sort of temporary fix on the issue and she'll take that for now and help him defeat the reapers and then after that schedule to kill him.

So we'll have her penned in to kill us at the end of ME3 and we'll have Grunt penned in too for the same thing anyone else wanting shep dead after the war is over? 

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 31 mai 2011 - 09:05 .

[Reever]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And that's what I don't like about Samara. Blindly following her Code.

This.
Apart from that, I like her very much (well, depends on the Shep!). But I would let her live more often than not, if she should attack me because of Arrival....

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Samara is a ''greater good'' kind of person. I seriously doubt she would disagree with Shepard killing a hundred thousand people in exchange for delaying the total annihilation of billions of people in the entire galaxy.

[Heimdall]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Samara is a ''greater good'' kind of person. I seriously doubt she would disagree with Shepard killing a hundred thousand people in exchange for delaying the total annihilation of billions of people in the entire galaxy.

  Considering that the alternative would include those hundreds of thousands and many more dead anyway, I agree.

[Dean_the_Young]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Samara is a ''greater good'' kind of person. I seriously doubt she would disagree with Shepard killing a hundred thousand people in exchange for delaying the total annihilation of billions of people in the entire galaxy.

Samara's never been a 'greater good.' She's been 'uncompromising lawful', whether that lawful nature means defending a village and then slaughtering it for being a smuggler's den.

[Odoyle]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Samara is a ''greater good'' kind of person. I seriously doubt she would disagree with Shepard killing a hundred thousand people in exchange for delaying the total annihilation of billions of people in the entire galaxy.

Samara's never been a 'greater good.' She's been 'uncompromising lawful', whether that lawful nature means defending a village and then slaughtering it for being a smuggler's den.

This. She even says in one of her ramblings on the Normandy that she prefers to know nothing about the people she kills; she wouldn't want to know that the criminal she just killed was a devoted father.

Regardless of how much future good will come from Shepard's actions, she wouldn't let the deaths of 300,000 barbarians, errr, Batarians slide.

Easier just to let Morinth kill her.

[PARAGON87]

This is funny as Samara was on the freaking ship when Shepard left for the Arrival DLC.

She could've snuck into our quarters late and night and "snap!" end of Shepard.