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[Moiaussi]

I can see Shepard having to make a case to Samara, but most of what we know of the code is heresay, and it sounds very similar to what we hear of Spectres early in ME1.

Most of the "Justicar tales" remind me a lot of Batman's rep, deliberately overblown towards the harsh, to scare criminals into compliance.

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll pull a Nihlus, use her code against her. Funny how moments like that never help her realize what a tool she is.

The Shadow Broker in his dossier of her notes that she's very predictable.

Yeah. Even our days-old krogan thinks her code is stupid (take Grunt on recruitment mission, get to part where Anaya arrests Samara).

[Sebby]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll pull a Nihlus, use her code against her. Funny how moments like that never help her realize what a tool she is.

The Shadow Broker in his dossier of her notes that she's very predictable.

Yeah. Even our days-old krogan thinks her code is stupid (take Grunt on recruitment mission, get to part where Anaya arrests Samara).

Her predictability is why she's safer to have around as a Renegade as opposed to Morinth who's a complete wild card.

[gosimmons]

Am I the only one who hopes that the encounter in 3 can let you call her out for her code? I was disappointed you couldn't really bring up an opinion on the fact that she'd wouldn't hesitate to kill innocents who hampered her investigation.

[FreezaSama]

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

But you're forgetting, they were only Batarians. No one likes Batarians.

[PMC65]

jamesp81 wrote...

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

Samara's code compels her to save the most innocents that she can, first and foremost.  The Reapers were going to enter that star system.  Those colonists were dead no matter what.  So it was either destroy the Alpha Relay and the colony, or let trillions die.

I think it's almost without doubt she'd have made the same choice Shepard did.

I would agree that Samara would see no other option .... or at least I think so. 

Personally I liked the character although, not being an asari, I don't fully understand how the code works. I would be sitting with her alot to understand how not to step on the code's toes, if you will. And after seeing the bloodlust of some asari maidens (mercs) I can see how you might need a Samara.  

The feedback from the asaris (Liara included) show that the justicars are highly respected, so I would chalk the humans dislike as a clash with alien culture.

[Someone With Mass]

FreezaSama wrote...

JunMadine wrote...

Shepard killed 300,000 people in the arrival dlc.  Now at least some of them were innocent.  So by Samara's justicar code Shepard must die.

But you're forgetting, they were only Batarians. No one likes Batarians.

I like to think that not all batarians are enslaving douchebags.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

After the Collector Base, I don't think she'd distrust Shepard's reasoning... especially after the Reapers arrive..

[Zall]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Cops are subordinate to Justicars in Asari society

No they are not - if they were then Samara could just have ordered them to release her or sought a diplomatic solution.

Let me quote this:

jamesp81 wrote...

Samara will speak at length about the
role of Justicars if you talk to her on the Normandy and ask her about
it.  It's pretty clear from her various conversations that Justicars are
essentially judges, juries, and executioners inside Asari space.  I
think a comparison to Judge Dredd is pretty apt here.  It's also kind of
inferred; if Justicars were not servants to the supreme law of the
Asari, they'd have been done away with long ago since the sort of
conflict Samara has with the cops on Illium is almost certainly not an
unheard of or extremely rare occurrence.  I'd guess, however, that most
cops in Asari space understand that whole judge, jury, and executioner
aspect of a Justicar and probably don't get in their way as much as
Anaya's ****** superiors determined they would.  I can only guess that
Illium, being a corporate run world, doesn't consider itself to be part
of Asari space proper.  It is, however, an Asari colonized and run
world, and I doubt the Justicar Order bothers with such technicalities; I
suspect they view Illium as an Asari world and aren't concerned with
the finer details of how the colony is organized.

Also, Samara's acceptance to wait for one day is the closest thing to a diplomatic solution she could find and the only way it would not compromise her Code.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well I think she would actually understand it, she said herself that she kills people who get in the way of her justice.

She seems like the "End doesn't justify the mean" type but we don't know that for sure.

I hate people who don't understand that the end sometimes DOES justify the means...maybe not all the time but come on...

[Ice Cold J]

But how many trillions of people are gonna be saved by delaying the Reapers in taking that action?
I think she'd let that slide.

[Veloric Wu]

I chose Morinth on my Renegade FemShep.

Does that prevent the most boring character from interrupting plots in ME3?

[Destroydacre]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Regardless of Arrival, Samara does appear to have had enough of Renegade Shepard. She practically says she would kill you without a second thought were she not under her Code. Bloody cameo for ME3 here I come!

That's a plot fail to show the danger Samara poses to some renegade Shepard's, IMO. And I think people put too much importance on it. But I agree, cameo it is.

I think it would be great if Renegade Shep sided with Samara and had to fight her in ME3.

[AlexMBrennan]

Also, Samara's acceptance to wait for one day is the closest thing to a diplomatic solution she could find and the only way it would not compromise her Code.

Killing everyone after one day is not a diplomatic solution; again, it would have meant certain death for Samara and allowed Morinth to escape - that is dumb if the only reason she became a justicar was to kill Morinth.
Why does everyone assume that the justicars are space paladins? Because biotics + blue skinned alien babes = jedi = good? If BW intended the justicars to be space paladins then they failed epically since the result is closer to "inquisition meets IRA in space". Hint: Paladins err on the side of good.

jamesp81 wrote...
Samara will speak at length about the
role of Justicars if you talk to her on the Normandy and ask her about
it. It's pretty clear from her various conversations that Justicars are
essentially judges, juries, and executioners inside Asari space.

It is clear from her conversations (which I watched on youtube) that people are in awe of the justicars and/or too scared to challenge them. At no point does Samara claim that the justicars have any legal authority - it's just the way things were always done.

Unless you can give me a link to a video where Samara actually says that a justicar's is recognised by the law I'll have to assume that this is merely your interpretation of her characters.

[Nashiktal]

We do need to remember that Samara was outside of Asari space. She was operating within a cultural *melting pot* of sorts. The reason she was detained was because the illium officials did not want an international incident. If Samara had killed a human, volus, or god forbid a Turian or Salarian, their would have been hell to pay.

In Asari space justicars seem to be as specteres, above the normal law, but unlike the specters they are bound entirely to their own law. No one would think to imprison a Justicar in Asari space, however Illium is outside of Asari space.

[HighMoon]

FeriktheCerberus wrote...

I chose Morinth on my Renegade FemShep.

Does that prevent the most boring character from interrupting plots in ME3?

Choosing Morinth over Samara has no effect on Jacob whatsoever, so no.

[PMC65]

Golden-Rose wrote...

FeriktheCerberus wrote...

I chose Morinth on my Renegade FemShep.

Does that prevent the most boring character from interrupting plots in ME3?

Choosing Morinth over Samara has no effect on Jacob whatsoever, so no.

[Zall]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Killing everyone after one day is not a diplomatic solution; again, it would have meant certain death for Samara and allowed Morinth to escape - that is dumb if the only reason she became a justicar was to kill Morinth. 

Hey, I never said it was a diplomatic solution, but it was the closest thing to it.

Samara did not become Justicar to hunt Morinth, she could have done that without the giving her vows. But she insanely loved her daughters and she must have feared or known, that she would not be able to kill Morinth without being bound by the Code. But it is not the only reason.

I think the truth that her daughters were Ardat-Yakshi broke her life. Move on? Leave two of her loved in a prison and let the third one murder innocents for thousand years? The Code took away her freedom, but gave her so to say a new spine.

Samara is as much a cold murderer like Morinth, but out of the two she is to be pitied the most in my opinion.

[aimlessgun]

Wait...why would Samara think I killed 300,000 people. Kenson killed 300,000 people, sorry. I was knocked out and woke up just in time to escape the asteroid.

Seriously the idea that Shep would tell anyone the truth about what happened on Arrival is completely ridiculous.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 01 juin 2011 - 06:52 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'll pull a Nihlus, use her code against her. Funny how moments like that never help her realize what a tool she is.

The Shadow Broker in his dossier of her notes that she's very predictable.

Yeah. Even our days-old krogan thinks her code is stupid (take Grunt on recruitment mission, get to part where Anaya arrests Samara).

Her predictability is why she's safer to have around as a Renegade as opposed to Morinth who's a complete wild card.

Morinth's far from a complete wild card by any means.

[Dean_the_Young]

aimlessgun wrote...

Wait...why would Samara think I killed 300,000 people. Kenson killed 300,000 people, sorry. I was knocked out and woke up just in time to escape the asteroid.

Seriously the idea that Shep would tell anyone the truth about what happened on Arrival is completely ridiculous.

...you mean, like what Shepard did with Hackett?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 06 juin 2011 - 11:44 .