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[Rogue Ferret]

At first i wanted to be a rogue archer but as i researched more of it, it became very complex. so i sort of just gave up on that. If you do have any good suggestions for that then that would be apreciated.
My main topic is some ideas of Fun Easy builds that i can try and enjoy without it being too much of a hassel.
Im open to some warrior builds, rogue builds and mage builds.
Thanks in advance.

Modifié par Rogue Ferret, 01 juin 2011 - 12:40 .

[d3c0yBoY]

Strangely enough is that Rogue Archer is the simplest build in the game.

All you want is the following:
Master Archer
Aim (ones you've obtained the Repeater gloves, this is the only passive you'll ever need)
Arrow of Slaying (for Mages and non-yellow mobs for some 1-shot goodness)
Scattershot (AoE Crowd Control)

All the other talents are trivial and are a waste of energy to use. I don't bother binding them due their mediocre rewards. The ones I listed are all you need.
As for specialization: Duelist/Bard
Duelist is a must due to the archer poor hit rating. The passive it provides remedies this.
Bard is great due to group buff and added atk/dmg. You could keep it upwards around 30-40 Cun and rest in Dex to maintain optimization.
Ranger... I'm making one for RP purposes but otherwise its no where near as strong as Duelist/Bard.
Assassin... not a lot of options for a ranged build.
Your rotation is just as easy. Auto shot. Auto shot. Auto shot. When you're not doing that, you are using AoS on non-yellows or taking out mages/archers. Never use AoS on armored yellows since your auto shots does more damage on them. Once your tank has 3+ mobs on him, Scattershot. If you're surrounded, Scattershot. For everything else, use American Express.
Remainder talents I consider a must are Lethality (compliments Bard builds) and Master Stealth (1 button escape option, great for using it after Scattershot and gives a auto crit). Give yourself better trap removals/chest openings and you're good to go.
Stats: Go full Dex with Cun up to 30ish to 40.

Other class builds? I wouldn't recommend Mage as the class and spell selection can be daunting if you felt Archer was complex. As for warriors, I am biased towards 2hander builds. Go full Strength, pick up all the talents in the 2H tree including the Deathblow line and keep Indomitable active and you'll be Thor as you chain all your talents to obliterate your opposition. This build is harder than the Rogue I mentioned earlier due to you getting you timing down on your talent spams. Hope that helps.

Modifié par d3c0yBoY, 01 juin 2011 - 12:26 .

[Corker]

With friendly fire turned off, I had a lot of fun with my Mad Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight.

Two-weapon melee rogue: I wasn't optimizing my build but I believe I put points into Dex and Cunning.
I skipped stealth, but bought up the other three rogue talents. 
Don't recall the specs; I usually like duelist/assassin for a melee rogue but I'm not optimizing, so whatever sounds fun.  You'll still beat the game.
Then:
Bought every bomb recipe I could find.
Made lots of bombs.
Threw bombs at everything.
Riposte/Dirty Fighting + free crits while the bombs cooled down.
Cackled.
Repeated.

My husband does a similar thing with Primal mages - gets all the area of effect spells he can and drops them on the fight, then giggles.

[Rogue Ferret]

I'm going to go ahead and try the archer build you recommended first.
If I find myself not liking it I'm going to try either 2h warrior or DW rogue.
Any important DW talents I should aim for first, in case I do go that route?
Once again thanks for the help and nice advice.

[d3c0yBoY]

Rogue Ferret wrote...

I'm going to go ahead and try the archer build you recommended first.
If I find myself not liking it I'm going to try either 2h warrior or DW rogue.
Any important DW talents I should aim for first, in case I do go that route?
Once again thanks for the help and nice advice.

Grab Momentum ASAP, but if you have Wynne tag along with Haste, then skip it since they don't stack. 
Grab Dual Finesse (provides an attack, damage, and defense bonus)
Grab Coup de Grace (allows auto back stabs from any direction on Stunned/Frozen/Paralyzed targets)
Grab Master Stealth (allows you to drop agro mid combat and provide a auto crit upon attack)

After those are picked up, its up to what type of DW rogue you want (Cun, Dex, or Str)

For Cun:
Grab enough Dex to grab talents, rest goes to Cun
Grab Lethality
This build will allow you to get by not investing so much in Deft Hands Tree. 1-2 points will suffice.
Build suggestion Duelist/Bard*

For Str:
Grab enough Dex to grab talents, rest goes to Str
Grab Dual-Weapon Mastery
You need 4 points in Deft Hands in order to open/disable everything
Build suggestion Duelist/Assassin*

For Dex:
Grab Dex and Cun, Once you get about 30 Cun, then the rest goes to Dex
Grab Lethality
You could get away with 3 points in the Deft Hands tree
Build suggestion Duelist/Assasin*

*For Specialization I go: 
All of Duelist including Pinpoint Strike when i consider a Boss Killer mode. At level 7, grab Dueling without fail.
3 in Bard for SoC. I have no use for Captivating Song.
3 in Assassin. You can grab Feast of the Fallen if you enjoy spamming your abilities for the regen

Ranger is not as effective as the other combinations in my opinion but if you're so inclined, I'd go Duelist/Ranger and grab all 4 talents from the tree. Bear is garbage, Go Wolf for dps or Spider for cc. Its your game so have fun with it;)

Hope that helps.

Modifié par d3c0yBoY, 01 juin 2011 - 11:40 .

[Rogue Ferret]

So I went with a DW rogue and and understand what kind of build im aiming for except i am curious about what skills to take. Im of course getting all 4 combat training and all 4 poison sounds right to get. I have 3 left over then. Should i put it on trap-making and if so do i need stealth for that ?

[d3c0yBoY]

I would put just one point in pickpocket to gain access to Denerim quest. As for Trap-making, I'm not a big fan of it. The setup time is way too tedious for the dismal returns it provides. You do require stealth for proper set ups (you are getting Master Stealth, right?). You are better off having your mage use the Paralysis Explosion combo or a Fireball/Cone of Cold and call it a day.

I don't use Poison-Making. I put just one point which then allows me to apply any poison in the game. Zevren has full poison so he makes them for me.

No need wasting skill points if you build your companions around them. This is what they start with with you get them:
Zevren: 4 Poison-Making
Leliana: 3 Stealing, 1 Poison-Making
Morrigan: 2 Herbalisim
Wynne: 1 Herbalism
Alistair: 1 Poison-Making
So just by looking at what the companions start off with, I know that I just need 2 skill ups for Morrigan for max Herbalism, 1 Stealing for Leliana, and Zevran is maxxed. You see what I mean?

The only things really required by the PC is Coercion and Combat Training. If you want to gain access to Denerim Rogue quest chain, you only need 1 in Stealing. And if you want to apply any poison in the game, you just need one-Poison Making. Everything else can be done by your buddies.


I personally like Survival because it allows me to see enemies in adjacent rooms and set up my PE combos/Inferno (both spells don't require line of sight). Survival also provides a Nature resist buff.

[Rogue Ferret]

Thanks for all the help, really appreciate it.
As of right now I'm not planning on getting master stealth because I don't see how I can fit it in.
10 points into DW talents (all but master DW and whirlwind)
6 points into rogue talents ( Coup and lethality)
6 points into specialization ( all duel and first 2 assassin)
30 cunning or so
20 strength
Max dex
For skills
4 combat
1 poison
1 pickpocket
4 Coercion

Wow that's a lot. Well I hope this doesn't sound too bad, I just don't want to screw myself mid way in the game.

[d3c0yBoY]

Looks good. Sucks that rogues have so many good talents but you have to prioritize what is really needed.

I seen people put 20 Str as well but I usually just use the Fade points and rest I get by stacking Str gear in order to wear certain pieces. Barbarian Mace +1, the belt purchased from the wandering dwarf trader with the ox +1, the ring +2 and helm +2 from the Stone Keepers DLC. With all those pieces i could easily get 20-22 Str with putting a single point and allows be access to the best leathers in the game. Sort of a slick way to trick the game into wearing gear.

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