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[Bewiz]

Gloops1 wrote...

 Im also late - I picked up both games in a sale and just played them back to back. 


After I stopped hitting the spacebar to bring up the squad menu, I'd say the combat is FAR better in ME 2. ME 1 was just a haze of getting stuck to a surface you didn't want to be stuck to while everything in the room mobbed you at once. I also like the handy percentage information when searching a star system. I had to keep a paper note of where I'd visited in the first game.


The graphics are obviously improved, and the engine better optimised.


Everything else is worse. 


The aliens feel less alien than the first game. They're just humans in alien masks, and western humans at that. There's less cultural diversity than planet earth (and why do some Quarian's have middle-eastern sounding accent and some sound RP English when they're all raised on the same cramped flotilla?). The environments feel less alien too. ME 2 lost some hard to define atmosphere from ME 1.


The plot is weak, the antagonists dull, and hardly there - most of the game you're recruiting a huge squad you never get to know properly or develop a connection to. I HATED the death and resurrection ploy at the beginning. OK, they mended Shepard's body but why is he/she not just a drooling vegetable? The science in the first game was all explained and plausible. The end boss was just comical.


Where's my inventory gone? I NEED an inventory in an RPG. I can't even take my helmet off to have a drink. There's a lot of satisfaction in finding a piece of armour or a weapon with better stats, and whatching the reticle tighten from spray and pray to marksman as you improve your skills. That's an RPG. Twitch head-shotting everything at the start of the game is a shooter. I want to customise my squad in armour of my choosing, not just give them a new skin with an overpriced rip-off DLC for aesthetics sake.


I liked the elevators more than loading screens. Yes, I did! It helps immersion.


I liked the Mako (awful to drive as it was) more than planet scanning, which has to be one of the most tedious game play ideas ever.


So, in short, I thought ME 2 was another RPG but I got a 3rd person shooter with a few RPG elements tacked on. It's fun for what it is, but a thin experience compared to the first game.

agree about the aliens races in ME2, in ME1 they almost seemed archtypal like it was this was a parallel universe which actually existed, but in ME2 the same races somehow feel Fake, not archtypal, just re-fried and yea, behaving like humans in alien masks, plus the new races added in ME2 looked stupid

id say the Collectors are 'in the game' alot more than the Reapers ever were (we never got to fight Reapers directly), its just these guys  have no scare factor or sense of character: i thought every battle was no different to fighting mercs, and their leader figure, appearing to spice up the battle every 2 minutes addeed nothing either, and theyve got such a vague agenda, like you never get involved in why your fighting them or what your trying to stop them doing cause essentially that infos never divulged

dont exactly miss the weapon variety from ME1, thought it was clunky with so much of the same thing rebranded amillion ways, so on the surface ME2s lack of any variety is better, but I also agree having nothing to collect (no pun intended) is alot less interesting

and I played ME1 on the 360 and never noticed anything wrong operating the Mako, loved that vehichle and the open world exploration

[Franzius]

For all the ones disappointed by ME2.... The worst have still to come....: MASS EFFECT 3!!!
After E3 action trailer there is no doubt that ME franchise has completed its transiction toward Gear and Uncharted...
I will save my money for "The witcher 2" , Gears3, Skyrim and Uncharted3.
BiowEA I see it difficult for you to have my money in the next few years!

[TheChosen]

Franzius wrote...

For all the ones disappointed by ME2.... The worst have still to come....: MASS EFFECT 3!!!
After E3 action trailer there is no doubt that ME franchise has completed its transiction toward Gear and Uncharted...
I will save my money for "The witcher 2" , Gears3, Skyrim and Uncharted3.
BiowEA I see it difficult for you to have my money in the next few years!

Don't kid yourself, you'll buy it. As will I, but you're right, it looks very action focused. Like ME2 was.

We need to face it, Mass Effect isn't the sci-fi RPG it was, it's a shooter changed to appeal to all the masses of modern gamers who only like COD/Battlefield/Halo/Gears. They are the demographic that bring in the most money.

[greymav]

I just STARTED playing ME2 and I'm disappointed. Working with Cerberus? Really?

[Dave666]

greymav wrote...

I just STARTED playing ME2 and I'm disappointed. Working with Cerberus? Really?

Wait 'til you get to the part where they explain how it was possible to ressurect Shepard 'exactly as (s)he was' after hitting the atmosphere of a planet from space, after dying from oxygen deprivation.  Its priceless and remarkably informative.

[Da Mecca]

And the part where he says the reason why they brought you back was because "Your special"

[Dave666]

Da Mecca wrote...

And the part where he says the reason why they brought you back was because "Your special"

But...but...but...humanz R speshal!!! (If you only knew how much effort it took to spell that badly, I litterally shuddered whilst typing. lol)

[Intax]

Savber100 wrote...

Better dialogues? - Really? Prove it. (I'm not talking about story arcs just dialogues.)

I got

Garrus Vakarian:
Do you ever miss those talks we had on the elevators?
Tali'Zorah:
No.
Garrus Vakarian:
Come on. Remember how we'd always ask you about life on the flotilla? It was an opportunity to share!
Tali'Zorah:
This conversation is over.
Garrus Vakarian:
Tell me again about your immune system.
Tali'Zorah:
I have a shotgun.
Garrus Vakarian:
Mmmmaybe we'll talk later.


Commander Shepard:
[discussing 'sparring'[/i]] So when should I book the room?
Garrus Vakarian:
I'd wait if you're OK with it. Disrupt the crew a little as possible.
Take that last chance to find some calm just before the storm. You know
me, always like to savor that last shot before popping the heatsink.

[Shepard gives Garrus a knowing smirk[/i]]

Garrus Vakarian:
Wait... that metaphor just went somewhere horrible.


Gunnery Chief:
This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five
seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to
1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb
bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on
Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest
son-of-a-**** in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's
First Law?


"I am a biotic GOD!" - High Volus (And anything this guy said)

Your move. ;D

While I'm not saying the dialogue in ME1 is superior to ME2 I don't  think anything in ME2 had anything that made me say "wow that was just amazing" the way the conversation with Soverign went in the ME1.

Shep - Soverign isn't just some Reaper ship Saren found. Its an actual Reaper!

Soverign - Reaper. A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are.

Garrus - The Protheans vanished 50,000 years ago. You couldn't have been there, its impossible.

Soverign - Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation. An accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades, you wither and die, we are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existance. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

Shep - What ever your plan is, its going to fail. I'll make sure of that!

Soverign - Confidence born of ignorance. The cycle can not be broken.

Tali - Cycle? What cycle?

Soverign - The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of thier glory they are extinguished. The Protheans were not the first. They did not create the Citadel, they did not forge the mass relays. They merely found them, the legacy of my kind.

Modifié par Intax, 07 juin 2011 - 09:31 .

[Il Divo]

Da Mecca wrote...

And the part where he says the reason why they brought you back was because "Your special"

I'd argue that being responsible for the death of the Reaper does in fact make Shepard special. It was a good scene.

[kalle90]

i dont know where people get the "story is worse but everything else is better" feel. yeah graphics are better and the game in general is smoother but i still liked ME1s core gameplay more than i do ME2s

if i borrow the "Intelligence thread" id say the games are
ME1: 80-200
ME2: 100-100
so yeah ME1 can go a bit lower than ME2 at worst (texture loading, looping thug dialogue, some annoying corners i cant peek from, bit jaggy graphics, that moment when inventory is full, a couple too many carbon copy bases etc) but generally both the story and gameplay feel much better in ME1

too big and empty worlds vs small and linear detailed worlds = big world wins
cluttered inventory vs no inventory = cluttered wins
and so on

[tomas2377]

I recently joined the Mass Effect universe.

I have seen a lot of youtube videos from ME2 and that got me sold.

Quickly bought both ME1 and ME2.

ME1 was awesome. The best game I have ever played. It had everything. Great characters, epic story, customization etc...

The game actually made me feel like a hero. Saving the citadel and the council with that epic space battle and my decisions actually mattered on how the game played out. I was in heaven. Pure awesomeness.

Then I went on to play ME2. Biggest mistake of my life and a waste of my money imho.

The Normandy got blown up and my character died. That is not a great way to start the game. I loved that ship. The new Normandy doesn't even come close to the original.

My crew is MIA. Especially Ashley who was my LI in ME1. I really wanted to see were that relationship would go. How it would continue and play out through the series. All she got were two very short scenes.

I am a Paragon Shepard. While Paragon decisions in ME1 felt grant and self sacrificing they felt horrible in ME2. Playing a Paragon in ME2 felt like playing a ME1 Renegade (which I did too. Just prefer my Paragon Shepard).

My character felt like a big ***. Especially on Horizon. I finally meet up with my LI and all he has to say is "Hey Ash. It's been a long time. How have you been?" Or something like that and that was the Paragon choice. Very smooth. I am a man but even I know better than to say that in real life if you have been seperated from the woman you love for some time.

The story felt very flat and boring in ME2. I had a hard time playing through it because it wasn't gripping me. Perhaps because I didn't like any of my squadmates except for Garrus and Tali in ME2.

I felt cheated. I wanted my old squad back.

Then there is the fact that you don't even get to make a choice about working with or not working with Cerberus. As a player I was forced to work for a terrorist organization. I felt like a traitor to the alliance.

Even Anderson got sidelined and the Council wouldn't help me. Just great. ME1 was awesome and I don't like ME2 (I won't go so far as to say I hate it. The gameplay in general was good and the graphics were great but that was about it what I liked.).

Just my two cents.

Thank you for reading.

Modifié par tomas2377, 07 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[Whatever42]

I believe this is thread 452,112 covering this exact same list of complaints. But I guess after a year and a half after release, that's to be expected.

Yes, some people don't like ME2. Most do. ME3 will be like ME2 with ammo, no inventory, lots of action, improved shooter game, etc. If you really didn't like ME2 then you should probably head on over to the Skyrim forum now because its not going to change much.

[Franzius]

TheChosen wrote...

Franzius wrote...

For all the ones disappointed by ME2.... The worst have still to come....: MASS EFFECT 3!!!
After E3 action trailer there is no doubt that ME franchise has completed its transiction toward Gear and Uncharted...
I will save my money for "The witcher 2" , Gears3, Skyrim and Uncharted3.
BiowEA I see it difficult for you to have my money in the next few years!

Don't kid yourself, you'll buy it. As will I, but you're right, it looks very action focused. Like ME2 was.

We need to face it, Mass Effect isn't the sci-fi RPG it was, it's a shooter changed to appeal to all the masses of modern gamers who only like COD/Battlefield/Halo/Gears. They are the demographic that bring in the most money.

Yes, I will buy ME3 in the next 2/3 years: an already owned copy or new one if I wil find it for few euros...
Consider that I have bought Overlord and SB during an xboxlive deal (but I still have to play them) and I haven't bought Arrival DLC yet (and certainly I will not buy it in the next future). Well, clearly I will never buy DA2...

My disappointment for ME2 (and after the E3) for ME3 is huge.
I have loved ME1 as the "new star wars".
So you can immagine my disappointment when the second episode was not TESB but Transformer/Armageddon.

Before EA , Bioware for me was an EPIC, LEGENDARY developer just like the golden age of Origin (the creators of ULTIMA series and Wing Commander among the others) and Lucasfilm /artsGames.

Now I really hate the way the new BiowEA treat its fans: delete the planned ME1 dlc, release a not markettable console version of Origin, Awakening, Origin DLCs, ME2, ME2 DLCs (pay for an alternate apperance and for more useless weapons?!?!), DA2.... Not to mention all the lies (da2 rpg elements, me2 ps3 shortage etc...) and bad habbits (false metacritic reviews, undercover agents in all the main forums..)

But what hurt me more is how they treat ME franchise.
They really wasted a unique opportunity...

After the E3, is more than clear that ME3 will be EVEN more similar to Uncharted and Gears...

If you read other forums around the web, you will see how deeply the tide has turned for BiowEA... I know, undercover agents and ME2/cod fans now will attack me talking about the mega reviews and the thousand awards that ME2 have earned....
ME2 has a game with great production values.. But it was a bland corridor shooter with uselss dialogue cutscenes and silly minigames.

The truth is that I know that ME3 will sold.. The COD base and maybe also the old fans (that just want to see how the story arc will end in the vain hopes that ME3 will be more similar to ME1) will buy ME3.

But ME3 will be a turning point for BiowEA.
The truth is that ME3 will put an end to the "old Bioware" heritage.
From there, the future for BiowEA will be REALLY REALLY REALLY uncertain... 

I personally have stopped to gives this comapany credits for games they have created from 5-10 yeras ago.
Since EA aquisition BiowEA has released only one great games DA:Origins x pc... And it comes from their now lost golden age.

While you will play ME3 I will still very busy with Gears3, Uncharted3,  Skyrim, The Witcher 2...

[AlanC9]

Franzius wrote...
The truth is that I know that ME3 will sold.. The COD base and maybe also the old fans (that just want to see how the story arc will end in the vain hopes that ME3 will be more similar to ME1) will buy ME3.

Don't forget the ME1 fans who thought ME2 was a big step forward for the series. We'll also be buying ME3.

[FrostedFlake84]

Intax wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Better dialogues? - Really? Prove it. (I'm not talking about story arcs just dialogues.)

I got

Garrus Vakarian:
Do you ever miss those talks we had on the elevators?
Tali'Zorah:
No.
Garrus Vakarian:
Come on. Remember how we'd always ask you about life on the flotilla? It was an opportunity to share!
Tali'Zorah:
This conversation is over.
Garrus Vakarian:
Tell me again about your immune system.
Tali'Zorah:
I have a shotgun.
Garrus Vakarian:
Mmmmaybe we'll talk later.


Commander Shepard:
[discussing 'sparring'[/i]] So when should I book the room?
Garrus Vakarian:
I'd wait if you're OK with it. Disrupt the crew a little as possible.
Take that last chance to find some calm just before the storm. You know
me, always like to savor that last shot before popping the heatsink.

[Shepard gives Garrus a knowing smirk[/i]]

Garrus Vakarian:
Wait... that metaphor just went somewhere horrible.


Gunnery Chief:
This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight. Every five
seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class dreadnought accelerates one to
1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kilotomb
bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on
Hiroshima back on Earth. That means Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest
son-of-a-**** in space. Now! Serviceman Burnside! What is Newton's
First Law?


"I am a biotic GOD!" - High Volus (And anything this guy said)

Your move. ;D

While I'm not saying the dialogue in ME1 is superior to ME2 I don't  think anything in ME2 had anything that made me say "wow that was just amazing" the way the conversation with Soverign went in the ME1.

Shep - Soverign isn't just some Reaper ship Saren found. Its an actual Reaper!

Soverign - Reaper. A label created by the Protheans to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply are.

Garrus - The Protheans vanished 50,000 years ago. You couldn't have been there, its impossible.

Soverign - Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation. An accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades, you wither and die, we are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existance. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

Shep - What ever your plan is, its going to fail. I'll make sure of that!

Soverign - Confidence born of ignorance. The cycle can not be broken.

Tali - Cycle? What cycle?

Soverign - The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of thier glory they are extinguished. The Protheans were not the first. They did not create the Citadel, they did not forge the mass relays. They merely found them, the legacy of my kind.

I agree, thats conversation with Soveriegn was probably my favorite also.

[tonnactus]

marshalleck wrote...

ME1 had better story and character customization, i.e. what really matters in an RPG. ME2 streamlined the crap out of character builds and equipment. Pretty much all it got right was all the under-the-hood technical improvements--which in the interest of fairness, were excellent improvements. But it fell short everywhere else, especially in showing the results of previous decisions. I'd actually rate DA2 higher than ME2.

I completly agree with that.Hell,even the story about the qunari invasion and the arishok as an antagonist beats alone the crap out of what Mass Effect 2 delivered.

Modifié par tonnactus, 07 juin 2011 - 11:46 .

[kalle90]

Franzius wrote...
The truth is that I know that ME3 will sold.. The COD base and maybe also the old fans (that just want to see how the story arc will end in the vain hopes that ME3 will be more similar to ME1) will buy ME3.

But ME3 will be a turning point for BiowEA.
The truth is that ME3 will put an end to the "old Bioware" heritage.
From there, the future for BiowEA will be REALLY REALLY REALLY uncertain... 

Too true. Despite all my "mehment" with ME2 I will buy ME3 at some point (probably not anywhere near launch because we have Arkham, Skyrim, Gears... but sometime to Finish The Fight)

But after that Bioware has to do some serious **** to impress me. I won't be going out screaming "cool Bioware is making new game or Mass Effect prequel". And if it's yet another sequel... god lol.

[colata]

Recent bioware's products keep on convincing me not to buy anything as they are done wrong.

Just something wrong.

Even though I definitely had my time with ME2, but there are other games out there that do the things ME2 is trying to do far better than it does...

And here is my .......rant...

For all the things bioware's doing I can see they are trying to make their so called RPG into action adventure (i.e. dead space 2 ) that has party members in combat and interactive choice system (i.e. heavy rain).

If they want to make not RPG but action adventure with interactive choice system, I think they gotta do a lot better, as from the action adventure game and interactive drama game's point of view, ME2 is still lacking lots of, and lots of things.

ME2 lacking from action adventure game's POV.

- rigid and limited character animation
Compare ME2 with some good AA game, like batman arkam asylum, gears of war
Both games have very fluid character animation for both sides ( player and enemy character animation)
When played enough, limited and rigid ME2 animation made me feel like looking at robots, not just synthetic characters but all of them.

- Poor level design
It is very important for FPS and Action adventure game to have good and interesting level design.
Let's imagine, call of duty MP has level like ME2, ppl would require reimbursement immediately and COD MP would be dead very quickly.

Good action adventrure games like dead space, has good level design.
Heck, FPS like halo has far better map design than ME2.

As there are not much to do other than shooting through maps, current simple and monotonous level design wouldn't cut it..


Compared to those, ME2 map design is quite disastorous.
As RPG dev, bioware seems to not realize this fact but if they want to make game similar to action adventure it is crucial to have interesting detailed very good map design.


I can guarantee this statement as I am long time FPS fan and put more than several hundred hours into FPS games.



ME2 lacking things from interactive drama's POV.
I don't have as strong argument as AA game's POV, but I can sure that ME2 has very detail and depth deprived storyline.

For example, characters' loyalty mission should have at least 2 or 3 fold progression so it can have details and depth.

With current simple and short mission quantity and quality, I would not buy products from bioware.

ME2 really lacks details and depth and interesting plot devices, if it's made into novel, it would be disaster, (though ME1 has far.. more depth and detail storywise.)


They should improve on many other things to make better competitive action adventure game with interactive choice system...or they can keep on making crappy action adventure wanabe...games....

I apologize for writing it outright bluntly, but many of them ,I believe, is quite true...

Modifié par colata, 08 juin 2011 - 12:56 .

[kalle90]

colata wrote...
If they want to make not RPG but action adventure with interactive choice system, I think they gotta do a lot better, as from the action adventure game and interactive drama game's point of view, ME2 is still lacking lots of, and lots of things.

As much I hate to admit it I think this is also true

Mass Effect 2 does not have the things that made ME1 so good (story, the general feel of huge complex world with tons of content) and tries to step on Gears of War and other similiar games toes but fails at it horribly too (action, controls, AI, freedom&challenge can't even hope to challenge Gears. I'd even say Gears had better story presentation than ME2. ME2 is full of clutter and has very little main story so Gears can compete with it, difference is that in Gears I cant make any choices but so far those choices havent done much)

So when I have Mass 1 and Gears I don't really see any point to play ME2. ME3 must be up to par or surpass one of them (and we got Gears 3 coming too)

Modifié par kalle90, 08 juin 2011 - 04:56 .