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[Foxhound2020]

I think the whole death of shepard at the beginning was a great twist. Before he died, the game/story never really explained shepards position in society and who he really was beyond a silly news interview that wasnt well done and could have opened up options for a very dramatic scene.

The death of shepard in ME2 really presented a direct and undeniable concept that shepard is a true hero revered by everyone. Important enough that he was brought back from the dead. In ME1 shepard was a JOKE in the story. No one would listen to him, no one would believe what he was saying, and no one would recognized his worth. ME2 changed all of that and created a lot more dramatic scenes than ME1 had.

If ME2 failed at anything story-wise, it was the fact that Harbinger wasnt as great of a villain compared to Saren. He was just kinda thrown at us. The story in ME2 was more about gathering squadmates and less about main plot. I think that is what people see most the time.

Modifié par Foxhound2020, 01 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[Phaedon]

marshalleck wrote...

 Phaedon's forum-arguing prowess? He ignored the main thrust of my argument just like you did. And I'm quitegoi accustomed to him offering up excuses, it gets a bit boring to converse with him. But yeah, everyone keep riding his nuts. It sure is easy when you can just quote someone and say "this!" 

Bandwagons? Yeah, that's the "main thrust" of "Disappointed with X? - An Open/Closed Discussion-" type of threads, isn't it?

You dislike the resurrection for some reason and I don't see why. It's a plot device, but all stories need plot devices to tell a story, interesting or not. How Shepard does not talk about it is as much disappointing as him not wondering how the hell Garrus, Tali and Wrex ended up following him aboard the Normandy.

It's not a sign of bad writing, it's just a sign of the writers wanting to focus somewhere else. 
The ME team is notorious for not going very deep with their plot devices, but that's fine, since the fact is that the rest of the plot that these devices tell is much more interesting. One could say that focusing on plot devices is a sign of weakness.

Shepard's ressurrection is not a minor theme, so many people go "Shepard, you are alive! But how?" that it starts getting tiring,but there is not much that you can say about it. Shepard died, and then he woke up again, that's it. Everyone knows how he died. If you arguing that a Shepard that has been established as religious in ME1 should comment on it, consider that s/he probably thinks that they wouldn't go to afterlife, since their "life" isn't over yet.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 juin 2011 - 10:06 .

[Harmless Crunch]

Why is it every "I'm dissapointed with ME2" thread ends up in the same state....can't we have a proper conversation in these for once? Ehh no offense.

[Phaedon]

Harmless Crunch wrote...

Why is it every "I'm dissapointed with ME2" thread ends up in the same state....can't we have a proper conversation in these for once? Ehh no offense.

What do you mean? I am pretty sure that all of the parties participating in the debate are rather calm as of now.

Unless you are suggesting that a proper discussion is just about burrying ME2, which goes against the point of posting a thread on a forum.

[CannotCompute]

I still keep telling myself the Human Reaper climax never happened.

[CajNatalie]

I don't see what's wrong with the death/resurrection thing.

Plot device. It worked.

[Harmless Crunch]

@Phaedon
Ah I should of explained better.
I meant these kind of threads often just repeat themselves.
Often the same points come up over and over. Not to say that these kind of threads don't have any disscusion at all but I still could copy and paste everything I've said in previous threads like this and it would still fit into the conversation at hand.

Again I should have explained better but the repition of these kind of threads are amazing...
Or maybe I'm just talking out of my arse as I haven't actually participated in this disscusion yet.

[Kabanya101]

The only thing I didn't like about ME1 was the mako controls. NOT the mako itself, but the controls, where both sticks were the steering, as well as the left being the gas, made no sense.

ME2 gameplay, graphics, everyting was better besides the storyline, and minor details. Let's get this straight, I wasn't DISSAPOINTED, but only let down.
Cons:
Smaller class trees (Big problem for me, it didn't make my character feel like me)
No mako (I liked it, just not the controls)
Linear missions (Wasn't much of a problem for me)
No God- face it ME2 blew on insanity, it was easy, but you couldn't go out of cover for two seconds with the lack of health/armor/protection. People said they didn't like that in ME1, simple solution, TURN up the difficulty. When you were that strong, so were the enemies in ME1, in ME2 enemies have double the protection and health, and you have the same 350-450 shields, and 400+ health, not even whatsoever

[MegaBadExample]

I just missed the characters in ME1. That's the only downer I can reallly point out.

[mopotter]

Da Mecca wrote...

Yes, we even have a thread about it.

Watch out for the flames coming your way though.

Yes,  Definitely make sure you have a water supply for flames.

That said, I enjoy playing ME2 as long as I don't stop and think about the story.  I liked the characters and some I have found more enjoyable after a few plays.  Jack has a great story for paragon Shepard and I disliked her a lot the first time I met her.

But story wise, ME1 was much better and the ending left me doing a happy dance where ME2's ending just made me smile a bit.  I do think a small part of this is I always enjoy the first and last part of a trilogy and the 2nd part is just ok and I'm grateful they had an ending, and not a cliffhanger and I'm just hoping ME3 brings me back to the happy dance ending.  

[Grumpy young man]

Why do people constantly start topics on the basis of their personal affection/dissapointment, and especially for something that has been out so long as ME2 was? Even if it is your opinion, prepare "gasp" - you are not that important. You are not the majority share stake holder in EA.

Modifié par Grumpy young man, 01 juin 2011 - 11:10 .

[Chaos Gate]

Thread poster - I couldn't agree more.

Mass Effect 2 is probably the most disappointing game I have ever played. I found it to be a complete devolution from the first game, and a stunning letdown on multiple fronts. No story, stripped down RPG elements, tedious planet scanning, a distinct lack of atmosphere, immersion and exploration, boring and unrealistic characters, tacky romances...I could go on and on. The game felt gutted and hollow and, like you, I only played it to finish it.

I consider ME2 a great opportunity, brimming with potential, that was sadly lost. And so, I can now only hope that ME3 learns from its predecessor's mistakes, corrects them, and builds upon them.

[DieBySword]

ME2 feels like the SM was added as a bonus to a recruitment game. I mean the plot is like Duke Nukem Aliens kidnaping our chicks, especialy the hot ones, we need to rescue them and kill the bad aliens. At leas it worked our for Duke but for ME its lower than low -.-

[Nohvarr]

I have to admit, I enjoyed ME 2's ending more. I was significantly more invested in that ending than I was in ME 1. I had to work for my happy ending in ME 2. I had to find gear, gather a team, and then make sure that they all trusted me enough to follow my orders, even when they didn't always trust one another. Not only that, but then I had to make the right decisions during the final mission to ensure they all lived.

Seeing my Shepard walking through his ship as the entire crew goes about making repairs, while my team checks over our gear was a great feeling. It's an especially great feeling for my Sole survivor/Torphan Shepards. They finally proved to themselves that he could complete a high risk mission with losing people. Something they both failed to do in ME 1.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 01 juin 2011 - 11:17 .

[Phaedon]

Harmless Crunch wrote...

@Phaedon
Ah I should of explained better.
I meant these kind of threads often just repeat themselves.
Often the same points come up over and over. Not to say that these kind of threads don't have any disscusion at all but I still could copy and paste everything I've said in previous threads like this and it would still fit into the conversation at hand.

Again I should have explained better but the repition of these kind of threads are amazing...
Or maybe I'm just talking out of my arse as I haven't actually participated in this disscusion yet.

Sorry, my bad for assuming the worst.

I don't think that there is a point to these threads anymore. You were disappointed with ME2? Want some ME1 elements to return? That's okay, but the subject has been discussed way too much. The OP does have a decent excuse, however.

It's funny how these threads attract the same users again and again though, and some of the exaggerations from both sides are mildly entertaining.

[mopotter]

Grumpy young man wrote...

Why do people constantly start topics on the basis of their personal affection/dissapointment, and especially for something that has been out so long as ME2 was? Even if it is your opinion, prepare "gasp" - you are not that important. You are not the majority share stake holder in EA.

Well, the boards would be pretty boring if people didn't have view points that differed from each other.  I don't think there would even be a Social Network if everyone felt like you seem to.  

[Phaedon]

DieBySword wrote...

ME2 feels like the SM was added as a bonus to a recruitment game. I mean the plot is like Duke Nukem Aliens kidnaping our chicks, especialy the hot ones, we need to rescue them and kill the bad aliens. At leas it worked our for Duke but for ME its lower than low -.-

The collectors don't steal our "chicks" (if you consider Rupert the Chef a hot chick you should probably re-evaluate some aspects of your life) no more than 3 to 4 missions before the suicide one, dudebro.

As for it being a 'recruitment game' that characterization appears to be wildly incorrect considering that 8 out of the 24 missions are recruitment ones.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 juin 2011 - 11:53 .

[Leonia]

mopotter wrote...

Yes,  Definitely make sure you have a water supply for flames.

That said, I enjoy playing ME2 as long as I don't stop and think about the story.  I liked the characters and some I have found more enjoyable after a few plays.  Jack has a great story for paragon Shepard and I disliked her a lot the first time I met her.

But story wise, ME1 was much better and the ending left me doing a happy dance where ME2's ending just made me smile a bit.  I do think a small part of this is I always enjoy the first and last part of a trilogy and the 2nd part is just ok and I'm grateful they had an ending, and not a cliffhanger and I'm just hoping ME3 brings me back to the happy dance ending.

Couldn't have said it better and just wanted to re-quote for emphasis. Especially the bolded bit.

[mopotter]

Phaedon wrote...

Harmless Crunch wrote...

@Phaedon
Ah I should of explained better.
I meant these kind of threads often just repeat themselves.
Often the same points come up over and over. Not to say that these kind of threads don't have any disscusion at all but I still could copy and paste everything I've said in previous threads like this and it would still fit into the conversation at hand.

Again I should have explained better but the repition of these kind of threads are amazing...
Or maybe I'm just talking out of my arse as I haven't actually participated in this disscusion yet.

Sorry, my bad for assuming the worst.

I don't think that there is a point to these threads anymore. You were disappointed with ME2? Want some ME1 elements to return? That's okay, but the subject has been discussed way too much. The OP does have a decent excuse, however.

It's funny how these threads attract the same users again and again though, and some of the exaggerations from both sides are mildly entertaining.

It is mildly entertaining   something to do while waiting for ME3.   I doubt if anyone will change their mind about ME 1 or 2 no matter what -the other side- comes up with for reasons, but we all seem to want that since that we are not alone in our joy or disappointment.   

[mopotter]

Foxhound2020 wrote...

I think the whole death of shepard at the beginning was a great twist. Before he died, the game/story never really explained shepards position in society and who he really was beyond a silly news interview that wasnt well done and could have opened up options for a very dramatic scene.

The death of shepard in ME2 really presented a direct and undeniable concept that shepard is a true hero revered by everyone. Important enough that he was brought back from the dead. In ME1 shepard was a JOKE in the story. No one would listen to him, no one would believe what he was saying, and no one would recognized his worth. ME2 changed all of that and created a lot more dramatic scenes than ME1 had.

If ME2 failed at anything story-wise, it was the fact that Harbinger wasnt as great of a villain compared to Saren. He was just kinda thrown at us. The story in ME2 was more about gathering squadmates and less about main plot. I think that is what people see most the time.

I don't hate the idea that Shepard died, but for me, I would have accepted a little easier, the idea of Shepard was still clining to life when picked up and the body having major skin damage, bone destruction being the reason for the 2 year coma.  I do have a bit of a problem with the idea that the brain could have survived an unknown time being dead, unless Shepard was frozen.  (Iceman, Genesis II).

[Raizo]

Sad to hear that you were dissapointed with ME2, In my opinion ME2 is superior to ME1 in almost everyway except for the main story ( everyone agree's that is sucks ), anyhow everyone's different and and everyone enjoys different things.

[Da Mecca]

CajNatalie wrote...

I don't see what's wrong with the death/resurrection thing.

Plot device. It worked.

My problem with it is it happened to soon, really lacked the impact it was going for.

That and we found out about it way too early.

[CajNatalie]

Da Mecca wrote...

My problem with it is it happened to soon, really lacked the impact it was going for.

That and we found out about it way too early.

I heard about BioWare spoiling the ShepDeath... I guess I dodged that one...
I only got Mass Effect in March this year, and moved on to ME2 straight after that without watching any trailers or even knowing what to expect beyond what the manual told me.
I can understand how bad that would be, though... for me the death hit hard enough because I wasn't expecting it... if I already knew beforehand, well... I can imagine having some level of indifference to the intro instead of shock.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 01 juin 2011 - 03:09 .

[AlexRmF]

Da Mecca wrote...

CajNatalie wrote...

I don't see what's wrong with the death/resurrection thing.

Plot device. It worked.

My problem with it is it happened to soon, really lacked the impact it was going for.

That and we found out about it way too early.

The death of Shepard was had a double use: plot device and mechanic change. without his death, bioware couldn't have changed all the mechanics of the game and start it from scratch, people would have complained about it even more than they do  now.
that was also a very gripping moment for the player playing as shepard, and one of the best intro scenes I ever saw in a video game... the scene was the perfect diversion, even though I didn't like the changes that happened after it (the game mechanic )

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

As much as I enjoyed ME1, the gameplay and character building mechanics were a hindrance, not a help. ME2 was a vast improvement in so many mechanical ways that my stomach hurt going back to ME1 to set up my import games.

That said, the pacing and plot developement in ME2 was forced and a little goofy. I would have liked the story to flow a little differently. Recruit, recruit, recruit, loyalty, loyalty, loyalty wasn't quite what I was looking for. All in all, though, I much prefer ME2.