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[Heimdall]

ladyvader wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Beside, she sent an apology email even if you didn't romance her. All is good.

I have never got a message from the VS surivor if I was in a relastionship with Liara in ME.  I only got that message if they were my LI. 

Eh, I might be misremembering.

[MisterJB]

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance.

The guys who sidelined Shepard after he saved the Galaxy, who discredited everything he said as soon as he wasn't around to defend himself, who wanted to incarcerate him? The people who did nothing while hundreds of thousands of humans were dissapearing? And you want to go rigth back to them? Instead of working with the guys who spent billions of credits to bring you back to life?
I'd rather be doing something useful, thank you very much.

[Siansonea]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I blame Horizon on Shepard's Cerberus control chip. Kaidan and Ashley are perfectly justified in their extreme prejudice toward Cerberus—an attitude that Shepard SHOULD share. The fact that Shepard would even CONSIDER working with Cerberus flies in the face of everything Shepard stood for in the first game, especially after so little effort to find alternative means to address the Collector threat. And then after TIM basically engineers the attack on Horizon, Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance. But Shepard just plods along with TIM's plans without much objection at all. Kaidan and Ashley have to be thinking all sorts of things when they run into Zombie Shepard on Horizon—is this really even Shepard? Is it a clone? Is Shepard even all there? Let's face it, coming back from the dead is a pretty big pill to swallow, and Shepard breezes past it as if it was a commonplace procedure.

But the OPs response is pretty typical. Heaven forbid characters actually challenge Shepard. Only characters who basically go along with whatever Shepard says are worthwhile, because how dare anyone call Shepard on his/her BS. People never even consider the idea that they might be in the wrong.<_<

I loved the moment in Lair Of The Shadow Broker when Tela Vasir calls Shepard out for working with Cerberus—I wish there could have been more moments like that in the game. Shepard deserves to stand trial in ME3, not for that Arrival business, but for going against everything the Alliance AND the Council stands for by working with Cerberus.

  The differance is that Shepard is never given a chance to explain on horizon. Still, what would running to the alliance accomplish?  You think they would suddenly throw all resources behind Shepard and aid him?  No, they would likely incarcerate him for his connections to Cerberus and highly suspicious story of coming back from the dead in all likelihood.  Meanwhile, colonies are still disappearing.  Granted, Shepard should still have put up more of a fight about working for Cerberus, especialy Sole Survivor Shepard.  That's purely bad writing there.

It was bad writing. Shepard should have been able to tell TIM to get stuffed after Freedom's Progress—Shepard could have even decided to leave with Tali and Veetor, telling Miranda and Jacob to go to hell. That could have led to Shepard going to the Citadel, running into a brick wall with the Alliance and the Council, and only then coming around to the idea that Cerberus is the only game in town. THEN Miranda could have approached Shepard and brought him/her back to the Normandy. And then subsequently on Horizon, Shepard could have gone off on Kaidan/Ashley, saying "I tried to get the Council to listen! I tried to get the Alliance to do something! Nobody wants to believe humanity is under seige, but we are, and if I have to work with the enemy to stop the bigger threat then I will, some things are too important, stopping the Reapers is too important. And the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers. If you can't see that Kaidan/Ashley, then you're just as blind and stubborn as Anderson, Udina and the others." That would have been awesome. Instead, we got "It's been too long, Kaidan/Ashley, how have you been?":?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 02 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[Siansonea]

MisterJB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance.

The guys who sidelined Shepard after he saved the Galaxy, who discredited everything he said as soon as he wasn't around to defend himself, who wanted to incarcerate him? The people who did nothing while hundreds of thousands of humans were dissapearing? And you want to go rigth back to them? Instead of working with the guys who spent billions of credits to bring you back to life?
I'd rather be doing something useful, thank you very much.

Shepard doesn't even TRY. Shepard just takes Joker's word for Cerberus being "alright". Joker, the same idiot that got Shepard killed in the first place. I don't have a problem with Shepard eventually coming around to the idea of working with Cerberus—it just happens WAY too quickly.

[Heimdall]

Siansonea II wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I blame Horizon on Shepard's Cerberus control chip. Kaidan and Ashley are perfectly justified in their extreme prejudice toward Cerberus—an attitude that Shepard SHOULD share. The fact that Shepard would even CONSIDER working with Cerberus flies in the face of everything Shepard stood for in the first game, especially after so little effort to find alternative means to address the Collector threat. And then after TIM basically engineers the attack on Horizon, Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance. But Shepard just plods along with TIM's plans without much objection at all. Kaidan and Ashley have to be thinking all sorts of things when they run into Zombie Shepard on Horizon—is this really even Shepard? Is it a clone? Is Shepard even all there? Let's face it, coming back from the dead is a pretty big pill to swallow, and Shepard breezes past it as if it was a commonplace procedure.

But the OPs response is pretty typical. Heaven forbid characters actually challenge Shepard. Only characters who basically go along with whatever Shepard says are worthwhile, because how dare anyone call Shepard on his/her BS. People never even consider the idea that they might be in the wrong.<_<

I loved the moment in Lair Of The Shadow Broker when Tela Vasir calls Shepard out for working with Cerberus—I wish there could have been more moments like that in the game. Shepard deserves to stand trial in ME3, not for that Arrival business, but for going against everything the Alliance AND the Council stands for by working with Cerberus.

  The differance is that Shepard is never given a chance to explain on horizon. Still, what would running to the alliance accomplish?  You think they would suddenly throw all resources behind Shepard and aid him?  No, they would likely incarcerate him for his connections to Cerberus and highly suspicious story of coming back from the dead in all likelihood.  Meanwhile, colonies are still disappearing.  Granted, Shepard should still have put up more of a fight about working for Cerberus, especialy Sole Survivor Shepard.  That's purely bad writing there.

It was bad writing. Shepard should have been able to tell TIM to get stuffed after Freedom's Progress—Shepard could have even decided to leave with Tali and Veetor, telling Miranda and Jacob to go to hell. That could have led to Shepard going to the Citadel, running into a brick wall with the Alliance and the Council, and only then coming around to the idea that Cerberus is the only game in town. THEN Miranda could have approached Shepard and brought him/her back to the Normandy. And then subsequently on Horizon, Shepard could have gone off on Kaidan/Ashley, saying "I tried to get the Council to listen! I tried to get the Alliance to do something! Nobody wants to believe humanity is under seige, but we are, and if I have to work with the enemy to stop the bigger threat then I will, some things are too important, stopping the Reapers is too important. And the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers. If you can't see that Kaidan/Ashley, then you're just as blind and stubborn as Anderson, Udina and the others." That would have been awesome. Instead, we got "It's been too long, Kaidan/Ashley, how have you been?":?

Sounds like a lot of resources for Bioware to build what amounts to a circular track.   The aren't going to do that just to give Shepard the option of running in a circle, not with that developement time.

[Siansonea]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I blame Horizon on Shepard's Cerberus control chip. Kaidan and Ashley are perfectly justified in their extreme prejudice toward Cerberus—an attitude that Shepard SHOULD share. The fact that Shepard would even CONSIDER working with Cerberus flies in the face of everything Shepard stood for in the first game, especially after so little effort to find alternative means to address the Collector threat. And then after TIM basically engineers the attack on Horizon, Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance. But Shepard just plods along with TIM's plans without much objection at all. Kaidan and Ashley have to be thinking all sorts of things when they run into Zombie Shepard on Horizon—is this really even Shepard? Is it a clone? Is Shepard even all there? Let's face it, coming back from the dead is a pretty big pill to swallow, and Shepard breezes past it as if it was a commonplace procedure.

But the OPs response is pretty typical. Heaven forbid characters actually challenge Shepard. Only characters who basically go along with whatever Shepard says are worthwhile, because how dare anyone call Shepard on his/her BS. People never even consider the idea that they might be in the wrong.<_<

I loved the moment in Lair Of The Shadow Broker when Tela Vasir calls Shepard out for working with Cerberus—I wish there could have been more moments like that in the game. Shepard deserves to stand trial in ME3, not for that Arrival business, but for going against everything the Alliance AND the Council stands for by working with Cerberus.

  The differance is that Shepard is never given a chance to explain on horizon. Still, what would running to the alliance accomplish?  You think they would suddenly throw all resources behind Shepard and aid him?  No, they would likely incarcerate him for his connections to Cerberus and highly suspicious story of coming back from the dead in all likelihood.  Meanwhile, colonies are still disappearing.  Granted, Shepard should still have put up more of a fight about working for Cerberus, especialy Sole Survivor Shepard.  That's purely bad writing there.

It was bad writing. Shepard should have been able to tell TIM to get stuffed after Freedom's Progress—Shepard could have even decided to leave with Tali and Veetor, telling Miranda and Jacob to go to hell. That could have led to Shepard going to the Citadel, running into a brick wall with the Alliance and the Council, and only then coming around to the idea that Cerberus is the only game in town. THEN Miranda could have approached Shepard and brought him/her back to the Normandy. And then subsequently on Horizon, Shepard could have gone off on Kaidan/Ashley, saying "I tried to get the Council to listen! I tried to get the Alliance to do something! Nobody wants to believe humanity is under seige, but we are, and if I have to work with the enemy to stop the bigger threat then I will, some things are too important, stopping the Reapers is too important. And the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers. If you can't see that Kaidan/Ashley, then you're just as blind and stubborn as Anderson, Udina and the others." That would have been awesome. Instead, we got "It's been too long, Kaidan/Ashley, how have you been?":?

Sounds like a lot of resources for Bioware to build what amounts to a circular track.   The aren't going to do that just to give Shepard the option of running in a circle, not with that developement time.

It could have been done with minimal extra scenes. Shepard could have gone directly from Freedom's Progress to the Presidium office of Udina/Anderson, and Miranda could have approached Shepard on Zakera Ward, so no new environments would be needed. It would just be voice acting and animations. It would sell the idea of working for Cerberus as a real last resort for Shepard, rather than just "herp durp duh-okay Illusive Man sir", which I found SHOCKING on my first playthrough.

[MisterJB]

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard doesn't even TRY. Shepard just takes Joker's word for Cerberus being "alright". Joker, the same idiot that got Shepard killed in the first place. I don't have a problem with Shepard eventually coming around to the idea of working with Cerberus—it just happens WAY too quickly.

By speaking to Jacob and the crew, it is obvious from very early on that the Alliance is trying to pretend that the Reapers don't exist.
Shepard doesn't need to take Joker's word, you can roleplay him against Cerberus. However, humans are dissapearing every day. Cerberus gives Shepard a ship, a crew, a squad and intel. Why waste time with the Alliance?

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 juin 2011 - 03:22 .

[Siansonea]

MisterJB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard doesn't even TRY. Shepard just takes Joker's word for Cerberus being "alright". Joker, the same idiot that got Shepard killed in the first place. I don't have a problem with Shepard eventually coming around to the idea of working with Cerberus—it just happens WAY too quickly.

By speaking to Jacob and the crew, it is obvious from very early on that the Alliance is trying to pretend that the Reapers don't exist.
Shepard doesn't need to take Joker's word, you can roleplay him against Cerberus. However, humans are dissapearing every day. Cerberus gives Shepard a ship, a screw, a squad and intel. Why waste time with the Alliance?

Yes, by speaking to a Cerberus operative and a Cerberus crew, I can only conclude that Cerberus is on the up and up—in spite of Akuze, Binthu, Nepheron, etc. Cerberus has too much bad karma for Shepard to believe Cerberus personnel without verifying everything first.

And...why waste time with the Alliance? Because Shepard is an Alliance soldier, even after he/she becomes a Spectre. I don't know, but I think if I was an Alliance soldier and I woke up in a terrorist base, the first thing I would try to do is get the eff away from them and back to the Alliance. If Shepard's loyalty to the Alliance is so paper-thin that a few reassuring words from Jacob, Miranda and the Illusive Man can make Shepard give the Alliance the finger, then what kind of person is Shepard, anyway?

[Heimdall]

Siansonea II wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I blame Horizon on Shepard's Cerberus control chip. Kaidan and Ashley are perfectly justified in their extreme prejudice toward Cerberus—an attitude that Shepard SHOULD share. The fact that Shepard would even CONSIDER working with Cerberus flies in the face of everything Shepard stood for in the first game, especially after so little effort to find alternative means to address the Collector threat. And then after TIM basically engineers the attack on Horizon, Shepard SHOULD have said FU to Cerberus and taken the Normandy SR2 to the Alliance. But Shepard just plods along with TIM's plans without much objection at all. Kaidan and Ashley have to be thinking all sorts of things when they run into Zombie Shepard on Horizon—is this really even Shepard? Is it a clone? Is Shepard even all there? Let's face it, coming back from the dead is a pretty big pill to swallow, and Shepard breezes past it as if it was a commonplace procedure.

But the OPs response is pretty typical. Heaven forbid characters actually challenge Shepard. Only characters who basically go along with whatever Shepard says are worthwhile, because how dare anyone call Shepard on his/her BS. People never even consider the idea that they might be in the wrong.<_<

I loved the moment in Lair Of The Shadow Broker when Tela Vasir calls Shepard out for working with Cerberus—I wish there could have been more moments like that in the game. Shepard deserves to stand trial in ME3, not for that Arrival business, but for going against everything the Alliance AND the Council stands for by working with Cerberus.

  The differance is that Shepard is never given a chance to explain on horizon. Still, what would running to the alliance accomplish?  You think they would suddenly throw all resources behind Shepard and aid him?  No, they would likely incarcerate him for his connections to Cerberus and highly suspicious story of coming back from the dead in all likelihood.  Meanwhile, colonies are still disappearing.  Granted, Shepard should still have put up more of a fight about working for Cerberus, especialy Sole Survivor Shepard.  That's purely bad writing there.

It was bad writing. Shepard should have been able to tell TIM to get stuffed after Freedom's Progress—Shepard could have even decided to leave with Tali and Veetor, telling Miranda and Jacob to go to hell. That could have led to Shepard going to the Citadel, running into a brick wall with the Alliance and the Council, and only then coming around to the idea that Cerberus is the only game in town. THEN Miranda could have approached Shepard and brought him/her back to the Normandy. And then subsequently on Horizon, Shepard could have gone off on Kaidan/Ashley, saying "I tried to get the Council to listen! I tried to get the Alliance to do something! Nobody wants to believe humanity is under seige, but we are, and if I have to work with the enemy to stop the bigger threat then I will, some things are too important, stopping the Reapers is too important. And the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers. If you can't see that Kaidan/Ashley, then you're just as blind and stubborn as Anderson, Udina and the others." That would have been awesome. Instead, we got "It's been too long, Kaidan/Ashley, how have you been?":?

Sounds like a lot of resources for Bioware to build what amounts to a circular track.   The aren't going to do that just to give Shepard the option of running in a circle, not with that developement time.

It could have been done with minimal extra scenes. Shepard could have gone directly from Freedom's Progress to the Presidium office of Udina/Anderson, and Miranda could have approached Shepard on Zakera Ward, so no new environments would be needed. It would just be voice acting and animations. It would sell the idea of working for Cerberus as a real last resort for Shepard, rather than just "herp durp duh-okay Illusive Man sir", which I found SHOCKING on my first playthrough.

And they would have jus t left the ressurected Shepard walk free without an once of suspicion?  THAT I found SHOCKING during my first play through.

[Heimdall]

Siansonea II wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Shepard doesn't even TRY. Shepard just takes Joker's word for Cerberus being "alright". Joker, the same idiot that got Shepard killed in the first place. I don't have a problem with Shepard eventually coming around to the idea of working with Cerberus—it just happens WAY too quickly.

By speaking to Jacob and the crew, it is obvious from very early on that the Alliance is trying to pretend that the Reapers don't exist.
Shepard doesn't need to take Joker's word, you can roleplay him against Cerberus. However, humans are dissapearing every day. Cerberus gives Shepard a ship, a screw, a squad and intel. Why waste time with the Alliance?

Yes, by speaking to a Cerberus operative and a Cerberus crew, I can only conclude that Cerberus is on the up and up—in spite of Akuze, Binthu, Nepheron, etc. Cerberus has too much bad karma for Shepard to believe Cerberus personnel without verifying everything first.

And...why waste time with the Alliance? Because Shepard is an Alliance soldier, even after he/she becomes a Spectre. I don't know, but I think if I was an Alliance soldier and I woke up in a terrorist base, the first thing I would try to do is get the eff away from them and back to the Alliance. If Shepard's loyalty to the Alliance is so paper-thin that a few reassuring words from Jacob, Miranda and the Illusive Man can make Shepard give the Alliance the finger, then what kind of person is Shepard, anyway?

My Shepard lost faith in the alliance when they refused helping him.  I'm not sure what yours did.

[Iakus]

Siansonea II wrote...
It was bad writing. Shepard should have been able to tell TIM to get stuffed after Freedom's Progress—Shepard could have even decided to leave with Tali and Veetor, telling Miranda and Jacob to go to hell. That could have led to Shepard going to the Citadel, running into a brick wall with the Alliance and the Council, and only then coming around to the idea that Cerberus is the only game in town. THEN Miranda could have approached Shepard and brought him/her back to the Normandy. And then subsequently on Horizon, Shepard could have gone off on Kaidan/Ashley, saying "I tried to get the Council to listen! I tried to get the Alliance to do something! Nobody wants to believe humanity is under seige, but we are, and if I have to work with the enemy to stop the bigger threat then I will, some things are too important, stopping the Reapers is too important. And the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers. If you can't see that Kaidan/Ashley, then you're just as blind and stubborn as Anderson, Udina and the others." That would have been awesome. Instead, we got "It's been too long, Kaidan/Ashley, how have you been?":?

This

All of it.

Heck Shep coulda said "Hey Ash/Kaidan, remember that time you helped me commit mutiny?  Yeah, it's kinda like that" 

[AngelicMachinery]

MisterJB wrote...

By speaking to Jacob and the crew, it is obvious from very early on that the Alliance is trying to pretend that the Reapers don't exist.
Shepard doesn't need to take Joker's word, you can roleplay him against Cerberus. However, humans are dissapearing every day. Cerberus gives Shepard a ship, a screw, a squad and intel. Why waste time with the Alliance?

Don't talk Miranda and Jacob like that.

[Urazz]

nickkcin11 wrote...

SIPES13 wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, both Kaidan and Ash (depending on my Shepard) will be sitting on the bench. No excuse for that sort of reaction. My only hope is there will be a Virmire part 2.

Shepard sounded like a ****ing idiot on Horizon and deserved the reaction by Ash. Shepard proved his point about as well as the OP, mainly like ****.

"Ash, it's been a while, how's it going".

When you open a reunion where the other party thought you were dead like this, the conversation can only go downhill. The writers missed the ball here. I wish there was dialogue that said, "I don't even answer/work with Cerberus. It's my operation which I relectantly must work with them with." Unfortunately, Shepard just says that Ash is allowing her emotions to cloud her view (sounds a little sexist and certainly a stupid thing to say). I would have done the same thing as Ash in her situation.

Logical people were pissed off at Horizon being terribly written but tried there best to dismiss it but there are other people like the OP and you who... well nevermind, I'm sure you try your hardest in life.

I actually found picking the middle options when talking to Ash sounded the best actually.

[Grisson]

Regardless of the hate going on I agree with the OP. Both Ashley and Kaidens reactions were a bit much and my various Shepards will be benching with of them both.

[MisterJB]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yes, by speaking to a Cerberus operative and a Cerberus crew, I can only conclude that Cerberus is on the up and up

Is there a point in lying about something that Shepard could verify on the Extranet?

—in spite of Binthu, Nepheron, etc

Which were justified tough only later in the game, I'll grant you that much.

I don't know, but I think if I was an Alliance soldier and I woke up in a terrorist base, 

Had Shepard studied Cerberus's confirmed operations before his death, he would see that Cerberus is not, in fact, a terrorist organization.
Criminals, yes. But not terrorists.

 If Shepard's loyalty to the Alliance is so paper-thin

Reapers coming, colonies dissapearing, Alliance not giving a damn.
That ougth to shake Shepard' loyalty to the Alliance.

that a few reassuring words from Jacob, Miranda and the Illusive Man can make Shepard give the Alliance the finger,

The Alliance gave Shepard the finger first.

then what kind of person is Shepard, anyway?

Someone who can think for himself? Shepard tried to warn them, he went to the Council, they called him mental.

[Chuvvy]

Kaiden and Ash both seem to have developed a severe case of Borderline Personality Disorder. Considering they go from a semi obsession state (I think at one point Ashley calls you a god) to a depressive state then to an anger state in a two and half minute long conversation By the way, everyone seems to think that they're Bipolar, they're not. A Bipolar's Manic and Depressive states last a few days, a few weeks, even a few months. But they don't change on the fly, that's BPD.

Modifié par Slidell505, 02 juin 2011 - 03:38 .

[vanslyke85]

MisterJB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yes, by speaking to a Cerberus operative and a Cerberus crew, I can only conclude that Cerberus is on the up and up

Is there a point in lying about something that Shepard could verify on the Extranet?

—in spite of Binthu, Nepheron, etc

Which were justified tough only later in the game, I'll grant you that much.

I don't know, but I think if I was an Alliance soldier and I woke up in a terrorist base, 

Had Shepard studied Cerberus's confirmed operations before his death, he would see that Cerberus is not, in fact, a terrorist organization.
Criminals, yes. But not terrorists.

 If Shepard's loyalty to the Alliance is so paper-thin

Reapers coming, colonies dissapearing, Alliance not giving a damn.
That ougth to shake Shepard' loyalty to the Alliance.

that a few reassuring words from Jacob, Miranda and the Illusive Man can make Shepard give the Alliance the finger,

The Alliance gave Shepard the finger first.

then what kind of person is Shepard, anyway?

Someone who can think for himself? Shepard tried to warn them, he went to the Council, they called him mental.

oh so right

[Siansonea]

MisterJB wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Yes, by speaking to a Cerberus operative and a Cerberus crew, I can only conclude that Cerberus is on the up and up

Is there a point in lying about something that Shepard could verify on the Extranet?

—in spite of Binthu, Nepheron, etc

Which were justified tough only later in the game, I'll grant you that much.

I don't know, but I think if I was an Alliance soldier and I woke up in a terrorist base, 

Had Shepard studied Cerberus's confirmed operations before his death, he would see that Cerberus is not, in fact, a terrorist organization.
Criminals, yes. But not terrorists.

Cerberus murdered Alliance Rear Admiral Kahoku. That goes beyond “criminal”. That’s an act of war.

If Shepard's loyalty to the Alliance is so paper-thin

Reapers coming, colonies dissapearing, Alliance not giving a damn.
That ougth to shake Shepard' loyalty to the Alliance.

All Shepard knows about the Alliance is what Joker says, but by the time Shepard even talks to Joker, Shepard has already “signed on the dotted line” with TIM. How does Shepard know for a fact that the Alliance won’t do anything, other than just taking Cerberus people at their word, I mean.

that a few reassuring words from Jacob, Miranda and the Illusive Man can make Shepard give the Alliance the finger,

The Alliance gave Shepard the finger first.

Really? When was that, exactly? Shepard was fine with the Alliance and the Council when the Normandy SR1 was attacked, then awakens after two years in a Cerberus base, and speaks only to Cerberus people and some quarians before deciding to work with Cerberus. Shepard doesn’t even give the Alliance a chance.

then what kind of person is Shepard, anyway?

Someone who can think for himself? Shepard tried to warn them, he went to the Council, they called him mental.

Yeah, that all happens AFTER he’s ALREADY working with Cerberus. They probably think he’s mental BECAUSE he’s working with Cerberus.

[vanslyke85]

so just because he's working with cerberus they are justified in throwing the reaper threat out the window??

[Siansonea]

Slidell505 wrote...

Kaiden and Ash both seem to have developed a severe case of Borderline Personality Disorder. Considering they go from a semi obsession state (I think at one point Ashley calls you a god) to a depressive state then to an anger state in a two and half minute long conversation By the way, everyone seems to think that they're Bipolar, they're not. A Bipolar's Manic and Depressive states last a few days, a few weeks, even a few months. But they don't change on the fly, that's BPD.

Ashley never called Shepard God. She said she believes in God. There's a difference. But hey, people can hate Ashley because they weren't paying attention to her dialogue properly if they want. Shepard is the badass who is always right, after all, and any NPCs who don't fall in line, well they suck!!!!<_<

It cracks me up that people judge characters based on knowledge that the characters themselves couldn't possibly have. Just because Shepard happens to be right about something doesn't mean other people automatically KNOW that. Some players can't step out of "third person omniscient" perspective to judge characters based solely on experiences that those characters directly observed. Ashley didn't play Mass Effect, she lived in her little piece of it. She has no idea what happened to Shepard, all she knows is her once-trusted commander has done a complete 180° turn, and after being presumed dead for two years, pops up on Horizon right after the colony is attacked. Ashley doesn't know what Collectors are. Ashley knows about the Reapers, but she also knows that Cerberus is Bad News. What is she supposed to think?

[Ice Cold J]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Sure. But being that if they were Shepard's love intrest and after two years of a supposed death and Shep just comming out of the blue with a terrorist organization... yeah I don't think they'd care to be rational. Even if they weren't you are still teaming up with a terrorist organization and I can't imagine they'd think any reason Shepard would expect yo be listened to.

Bad example but think of it this way, you find the person your seeing in bed with another. Are you going to care what the reason was? Or are you going to be angry and less agreeable first? Yeah bad example but still, would you expect Ash/ Kaiden to really care about what defense Shepard could make up for teaming with Cerberus?

If a best friend or GF went to work for a rival company, I'd feel slighted, but if they had a good reason, I'd try to understand and act more rational than Ash or Kaidan did.

They're NOT meeting the new LI. You don't HAVE a new LI at that point in the game. It's now more that you're working for a rival/assumed opponent. If I REALLY loved someone, I'd trust them enough to at least give them a  chance to explain themselves.

Shepard was announced dead. As far as the Alliance and the Normandy crew, he was. So why be mad that he had "disappeared" for two years? As it's said in LotSB, when Liara said "You were gone." Shep replies with, "I came back!"

[HogarthHughes 3]

Siansonea II wrote...
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Ashley never called Shepard God. She said she believes in God. There's a difference. But hey, people can hate Ashley because they weren't paying attention to her dialogue properly if they want. Shepard is the badass who is 
...

When first meeting her on Horizon, she says "you're standing in the presence of a god Delan, back from the dead."  Okay I don't remember the farmer/mechanic/colonist guys name, I think it sounded something like Delan though.

[Siansonea]

vanslyke85 wrote...

so just because he's working with cerberus they are justified in throwing the reaper threat out the window??

What Reaper threat? Yes, a giant ship attacked the Citadel, but the only one saying "The Reapers are coming! The Reapers are coming!" is Shepard, a very effective soldier who nevertheless is making some pretty off-the-wall claims about a "vision" received from a 50,000 year old artifact that, wouldn't you know it, was destroyed right after the vision was given to Shepard. Not exactly ironclad evidence. And Vigil on Ilos was only witnessed by Shepard and two squadmates. Wouldn't you know it, THAT 50,000 year old relic broke right after Shepard used it too. Still not finding any incontrovertible evidence of Reapers existence—much less that they represent a threat to the galaxy. There really is no reason to think Sovereign was anything other than a new type of geth ship. Everyone's attitudes about the Reaper threat make perfect sense, even though Shepard is right about that threat. Shepard's subjective experience give him certainty, but no one else shared those experiences except Liara and Shiala, and the Normandy crew who witnessed some events directly. But ONLY SHEPARD has the whole picture. Well, and Liara and Shiala, presumably, depending on what they picked up from Shepard through their asari melds.

[ladyvader]

I just want to add one thought. Since the Alliance is part of the Council, they can't really go into the Terminus systems. That is were the colonies that were getting hit by the collectors were located. That is out of their jurisdiction.

Just my two cents.

[vanslyke85]

I never said my Shep was an almighty-always right kind of guy. Hell he's done some messed up things to get to where he is today...but it's all been for the welfare of the galaxy and Ash knows that. I didn't romance her in ME1 and I never got an apology letter from her in ME2. This thread wasn't an I-Hate-Ashley thread, it was just to get opinions on if people would continue feeling the same way about her after ME2.

Modifié par vanslyke85, 02 juin 2011 - 11:26 .