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[thatguy212]

So there are 4 obvious outcomes, geth destroy quarians, quarians destroy geth, quarians regain control of geth, and peace, but i would like more possible outcomes then just those, like for example to help the quarians regain control but then betray them so shepard ends up with control of the geth, what other possible outcomes would you want?

[SIPES13]

Here's to hoping the Quarians put the Geth back in their place.

[Ryzaki]

Them destroying each other would be a nice outcome.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Peace between both, i think I'd have a really hard time deciding who to support.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would like to get Rannoch back with as little blood shed as possible I'd prefer to get it back w/o firing a shot. I thought it was great when Tali gave legion some intel I thought the olive branch has been extended and hopefully these two could work together to get their respective sides on board with a nudge from Shep.

Though Xen seems problematic to say the least sense she has the data from the Aleri that no one had the foresight to erase or bug with some corrosive virus if accessed so she'll probably make something to control all the geth when they show up to the negotiations and she'll either ruin our chances at a peaceful negotiation or come damn close to it.

I'm also wondering how will BW handle an I killed Legion by accident in ME2 will his systems still be accessible via other geth or will he go all cylon and get a new body and keep himself and reshow up as a newer shinier Legion? I think him dying ruined my chance at getting Rannoch back peacefully unless I grab David go to the edge of the veil and have him number code a message that says I'm here for business not to blow away the geth behind it and see if he can talk to them and make them see reason and use that to negotiate a peaceful resolution to Rannoch.

If they do go to war I want the option to go all Swiss neutral and I'll volunteer to be the medical ship for both sides as they destroy one another but I won't help either in combat.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 01 juin 2011 - 04:37 .

[Labrev]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Peace between both, i think I'd have a really hard time deciding who to support.

Yeah.

Plan B -- let them go to war, have the Quarians lose, cannibalize their flotilla.

[Leonia]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The quarians utterly conquer the geth and usher in a new golden age for their species.

/Agreed

The geth had their chance to be peaceful, co-existing lifeforms and they blew it. As cool as Legion is and the idea of integrating synthetic lifeforms into normal galactic society is.. there are just far more risks than rewards worth considering.

Not that I think the quarians are any better than the geth, both sides have their issues, but if helping the quarians conquer the geth will net me a functioning fleet to use against the Reapers.. then I'm all for it.

Peace is too idealistic, it's just wishful thinking that won't get anyone any where. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.

You don't have time to play "Swiss neutral" or broker peace treaties with the Reapers right on our doorstep. You need that quarian fleet now (or geth fleet if you choose to support them instead).

Modifié par leonia42, 01 juin 2011 - 08:34 .

[V-rex]

Following the Heretic Geth and Admiral Xen's defeat, as they were the antagonizers of this war in recent years, an actual proper peace negotiation comes through. Geth learn to stop being so reclusive and Quarians learn to stop being so aggressive. Both sides lay down their arms after admitting fault and the grateful Quarians return to their homeworld, being aided by the Geth for a mutually benificial solution to both the Reapers and managing that whole system.

The laws against AI regulations end, Quarians get reinstated as a citadel race as do the Geth, being the first machine race to do so. And three hundred years of conflict is put aside as both groups try to focus on the future.

But mainly the reason I hope for peace between both sides, and having both sides own up to their responsibilities and failures in regards to this whole thing, is just so that all the people who keep on having these stupid debates will shut the f*ck up!

Both sides were dicks, okay? Peace was within a hare's breath of either side to take and has been for three centuries. If we are given a chance to settle this conflict peacefully with no blood (or fuel) shed then that is the chance I'm willing to take.
It's better than watching one or both of the ENTIRE RACES involved get completely wiped out because they can't resist going back to dickishness.

Modifié par V-rex, 01 juin 2011 - 08:45 .

[Ahriman]

leonia42 wrote...
The geth had their chance to be peaceful, co-existing lifeforms and they blew it.

Huh? When they asked "Do we have a soul?"

Anyway there probably will be three outcomes. Support geth/quarins or make them friends if you have enough P/R points [hello elves and werewolves].

[Leonia]

It took them 300 years to send Legion out and go "Oops, we really don't want to fight organics, lol". They couldn't have let the quarians know that a little sooner?

[candidate88766]

I would like peace. If not, sorry Tali but the Geth will be more useful against the Reapers by a massive margin. The Quarians have a rusting, ancient fleet. It may be the largest of any known species, but that doesn't mean its the strongest. The Geth however have been hidden away behind the Veil for 300 years. Who knows what weapons or technology they've been able to create, away from the influence of the Relays and other Reaper technology. Every other species has evolved along the paths the Reapers want, but I think the Geth are outside of that because of how detached they've become from galactic society.

That and I think the Geth were wronged in the first place. They started as machines, but when they grew into sentient life the Quarians, rather than give them a chance, tried to destroy them. The Geth were attacked first simply for existing. The Quarians have since attacked the Geth every time they believed they had the upper hand, and until Saren's heretic Geth arrived, the Geth never actually attacked anyone unless they entered their territory. It makes sense that the Geth would now be fearful of organics, based on the Quarians trying to exterminate them, so any attempts for organics to contact them would be met with hostility. Otherwise, the Geth have kept to themselves, quietly maintaining the Quarian Homeworld for when they wish to peacefully return.

Modifié par candidate88766, 01 juin 2011 - 08:57 .

[Ahriman]

leonia42 wrote...

It took them 300 years to send Legion out and go "Oops, we really don't want to fight organics, lol". They couldn't have let the quarians know that a little sooner?

Do you believe that quarins would react properly if geth told them "It's ok... come here."?

The Council took the geth's side during the Morning War and in the
following three centuries multiple attempts were made to the communicate
with the geth. Each time the geth murdered the ambassadors. They've
brought this upon themselves.

Council took f**k-this-s**t side. Quarins tried to fool them and their anti-AI law, geth is hostile and illegal AI which defeated entire race. Also they didn't send ambassadors, they sent scouts.

Modifié par Wizz, 01 juin 2011 - 09:02 .

[V-rex]

leonia42 wrote...

It took them 300 years to send Legion out and go "Oops, we really don't want to fight organics, lol". They couldn't have let the quarians know that a little sooner?

98% of the time, Quarians are attacking them. As Legion said, Geth are one part of a whole and cannot solve for peace alone. Not unless evidence suggests that Quarians want peace too.
That's how Geth see it, like an incomplete equasion.
Plus, since there was an attempt made to destroy their entire race for the simple question 'Do I have a soul?' what do you think 'Do I have a right to a seat in politics' or 'do I have a right to negotiate becoming a functioning part of the galaxy' would result in?

Lets not forget, A.I is illegal in Citadel Space. Hence by simply existing, Geth would be considered criminals. Hell even in and of themselves a 'crime'. The first question to be answered here is:
"How do you try to negotiate or make peace or become a part of a system that considers your very existance a capital offence?"
The second is:
"Why would you want to?"

[V-rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Council took the geth's side during the Morning War and in the following three centuries multiple attempts were made to the communicate with the geth. Each time the geth murdered the ambassadors. They've brought this upon themselves.

Where is it actually said that the Council took the Geth's side? From what I understand, following the Quarian exile, the Council prepared for an expected attack on all organics by Geth and used Geth as a major justification for why AI research is illegal.

Is there something I'm missing?
Please do not respond in hostility if I'm missing something, just explain it to me in a calm, detached manner.

[Leonia]

Wizz wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

It took them 300 years to send Legion out and go "Oops, we really don't want to fight organics, lol". They couldn't have let the quarians know that a little sooner?

Do you believe that quarins would react properly if geth told them "It's ok... come here."?

One side needs to give way a little. And since that won't be happening.. peace really isn't likely, is it? Why waste time on peace when the whole galaxy is burning.

[Ahriman]

Saphra Deden wrote...
When the quarians attacked the geth the Council condemned their actions as genocide and refused to aid them. They even went so far as to expel them from the Citadel.

This means they were effectively siding with the geth.

They condemned their actions as creation of AI which went extremely bad, that's why they expelled them from Citadel.

[V-rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Where is it actually said that the Council took the Geth's side?

When the quarians attacked the geth the Council condemned their actions as genocide and refused to aid them. They even went so far as to expel them from the Citadel.

This means they were effectively siding with the geth.

I see. I admit though, I take a lot of this from conversations in game and from the wiki and all it says there is that the Council responded in hostility because the Quarians had created an AI and thus when the Quarians pleaded for aid the only response was to be stripped of their embassy.
Granted though, the wiki page on the Geth war is pretty small, but it doesn't cover anything about Quarians asking for aid during the actual war.
Plus, again sorry if I'm missing something here, but where was it said that the Council sent ambassadors. Because that's something else I haven't heard of before.

[Ahriman]

leonia42 wrote...
One side needs to give way a little. And since that won't be happening.. peace really isn't likely, is it? Why waste time on peace when the whole galaxy is burning.

Will you agree if I say that both geth and quarians failed in different ways?

[Weiser_Cain]

I want the option to start or prevent a Geth war and influence it's outcome directly and indirectly.