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Geth/Quarian war outcomes you want
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#27
Posté 01 juin 2011 - 11:05
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I'm all for the peace option.... maybe not singing kumbaya together but something other than living in exile/dark space/trying to blow each other up......
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 11:10
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FWIW, I remember the Council accusing the quarians of genocide but I can't find a source that says so (maybe I'm just making it up). The banishment of their embassy was due to the quarians breaking AI rules though.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 11:12
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I'm for peace between the two, since I like both factions.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:25
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leonia42 wrote...
The geth had their chance to be peaceful, co-existing lifeforms and they blew it.
I'm sorry... this is such an insane statement that its almost funny.
I've said this before I'll say it again the scouts sent by thge Council that were turned into husks were killed by the Heritics we know this because Husk tech is Reaper tech and the Heritics are the only ones that use that technology. So the true Geth have done nothing violent against the organic community ever.
Over the last 300 years all the hostility between the Quarians and the Geth has been instigated by the Quarians. Like Legion said every time the quarians thought they had an advantage they've invaded Geth space and attacked.
Here's the truth the Geth are the most peaceful race in the Mass Effect universe. All they want is to be left alone to make themselves better and all organics do is hate them. Why would they want to talk to anyone outside of the Veil when all they get is racist hate against them because they are technological instead of organic?
So to correct your statement the Quarians had 300 years to try to make a life for themselves either by making peace with the Geth or finding a new world to live on and they've done nothing but feel sorry for themselves and spend their time hating a race that defended itself. If I can't make the Quarians have a peacefull relationship than I will wipe them out, the galaxy has had to suffer the petulent whiners for long enough.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:30
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I've said this before I'll say it again the scouts sent by thge Council that were turned into husks were killed by the Heritics we know this because Husk tech is Reaper tech and the Heritics are the only ones that use that technology.
The incident you are thinking of was caused by surveyors who found a Reaper artifact and were indoctrinated by it. It is not a given that the geth did anything to them, much less which geth. More importantly though, these people were not Council emissaries.
Fact: the Council took the geth's side 300 years ago and have tried to make peace with them in the past. The geth have never been interested.
Fact: when the Heretics decided to make war on organics the True Geth allowed it. They did not warn the rest of the galaxy or otherwise take any action against their brethren. They didn't take action until the Heretics finally turned on them too.
The True Geth are not our friends. They are, at best, allies of mutual interest, for now. Everyone fears and mistrusts the geth, and for good reason. In 300 years the geth have been content to allow murder to be their only representative on the galactic stage. They have fought hard to earn their menacing reputation.
There is no reason anyone should give them the benefit of the doubt.
ISpeakTheTruthOver the last 300 years all the hostility between the Quarians and the Geth has been instigated by the Quarians.
No, it hasn't. For the last 300 years the quarians have left the geth alone. If you take Legion to Haestrom he will state that the quarians have never before ventured back into the Veil. So you can stop blaming the quarians for continued hostilities.
Legion never once said the quarians have been invading geth space. When he made that comment about quarian behavior he was refering to the Morning War.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:40
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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
The geth had their chance to be peaceful, co-existing lifeforms and they blew it.
I'm sorry... this is such an insane statement that its almost funny.
I've said this before I'll say it again the scouts sent by thge Council that were turned into husks were killed by the Heritics we know this because Husk tech is Reaper tech and the Heritics are the only ones that use that technology. So the true Geth have done nothing violent against the organic community ever.
Over the last 300 years all the hostility between the Quarians and the Geth has been instigated by the Quarians. Like Legion said every time the quarians thought they had an advantage they've invaded Geth space and attacked.
Here's the truth the Geth are the most peaceful race in the Mass Effect universe. All they want is to be left alone to make themselves better and all organics do is hate them. Why would they want to talk to anyone outside of the Veil when all they get is racist hate against them because they are technological instead of organic?
So to correct your statement the Quarians had 300 years to try to make a life for themselves either by making peace with the Geth or finding a new world to live on and they've done nothing but feel sorry for themselves and spend their time hating a race that defended itself. If I can't make the Quarians have a peacefull relationship than I will wipe them out, the galaxy has had to suffer the petulent whiners for long enough.
And for 300 years those peaceful geth didn't bother to try to tell anyone they were peaceful? How the bloody hell did they expect people to stop attacking them (quarians or otherwise) if they never made their intentions known?
Yes, the quarians could have gotten off their arses during those 300 years and made more headway at reclaiming their homeworld and dealing with the geth but they didn't. Both sides have their problems, honestly I don't care that much about their struggle because neither is willing to own up to their mistakes and offer an olive branch.
Why would they want to talk to anyone outside the Veil? Simple: to tell them they mean no harm!
What do they intend to do, sit on their hands within the Veil for all eternity and think "gosh, all we wanted to do was get along with everyone, too bad we NEVER TRIED"
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:50
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...but the quarians are willing to own up to their mistakes and offer an olive branch. There was an entire quest about it. A long one with lots of dialogue. The quarians, not the geth, are the only group to make any sort of attempt to make amends, even if they are not all on board. K'oris wanted to "send the geth a message". That message was, "We were wrong to try to destroy you, we were wrong to experiment on you, and we would be wrong to try to destroy you again."
That was the entire point of his political platform and his interest in Tali's trial.
Where is the equivalent message from the geth?
There isn't one. Legion only makes vague and frankly, cryptic, references to a possible peace once brought to the Flotilla and asked if peace is possible. The statistics he offers are not very hopeful.
That was the entire point of his political platform and his interest in Tali's trial.
Where is the equivalent message from the geth?
There isn't one. Legion only makes vague and frankly, cryptic, references to a possible peace once brought to the Flotilla and asked if peace is possible. The statistics he offers are not very hopeful.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:52
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IF you can unite the Admiralty Board, good luck with that.
Having one of five admirals wanting peace isn't enough, and as far as I can tell, that message hasn't been sent yet.
Having one of five admirals wanting peace isn't enough, and as far as I can tell, that message hasn't been sent yet.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:52
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Saphra Deden wrote...
ISpeakTheTruthOver the last 300 years all the hostility between the Quarians and the Geth has been instigated by the Quarians.
No, it hasn't. For the last 300 years the quarians have left the geth alone. If you take Legion to Haestrom he will state that the quarians have never before ventured back into the Veil. So you can stop blaming the quarians for continued hostilities.
Legion never once said the quarians have been invading geth space. When he made that comment about quarian behavior he was refering to the Morning War.
LOL Oh my god that is the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum. Legion: "Every time the Creators have believed they had an advantage they've attacked 100% of the time." So there you go the Quarians are who instigate the hostilites. It says alot about the Geht's ability to forgive that they havn't just wiped the Quarians out after the first time they attacked let alone the probably hundred of attacks they've had to endure. What do you call what Tali's father was doing? He was trying to find a way to brain wash the Geth that's hostile too.
So because they didn't lose a war that makes them monsters? The Morning war was a war started by the Quarians and they were going to genocide the entire Geth specie but I guess that fact doesn't matter. What we do know is the Geth didn't wipe out the Quarians that fled they let them go. Look at the Flotila a bunch of junk ships holding together with duct tape if the Geth wanted to end the Quarians they could do it in a moments notice but they don't.
When compared to every other specie in the galaxy the Geth are without a doubt the most peaceful. The Citadel gathered the Krogan to genocide an entire specie and then nearly genocided the Krogan. The Krogan dropped asteroids on Turian planets. Every specie in the Council has comitted horrible crimes but because it would make your argument seem baseless you don't bring that up. No other specie can claim that for 300 years they've never attacked anyone.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:55
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The geth have yet to say "WE ARE PEACEFUL" and no in 300 years there were no hostilities between them and the quarians. Legion is only known to the Normandy's crew and potentially to the quarians if you take him on Tali's loyalty. The quarians and the galaxy as a whole are COMPLETELY unaware of the peaceful nature of the Orthodox Geth. The Geth have FAILED at making their peacefulness KNOWN. Is that clear yet?
In fact, given that the Battle of the Citadel is writen off as a Geth Attack by the Council, it seems like the Geth are very much NOT peaceful. NOBODY knows that those are Heretic Geth, not the quarians, not anyone else.
Should we just hope everyone develops the ability to read the geth's minds?
In fact, given that the Battle of the Citadel is writen off as a Geth Attack by the Council, it seems like the Geth are very much NOT peaceful. NOBODY knows that those are Heretic Geth, not the quarians, not anyone else.
Should we just hope everyone develops the ability to read the geth's minds?
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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
LOL Oh my god that is the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum. Legion: "Every time the Creators have believed they had an advantage they've attacked 100% of the time."
A reference to the Morning War. Legion's statements on Haestrom and Shala's statements regarding the quarians being "tired" of wondering the stars supports this. Until the Heretics attacked the galaxy (which nobody knew were any different from the "True" geth) the quarians had no hostilities with them. They were far more concerned with staying on the move than with committing to war. Do you honestly think they've fought wars in the past and are still alive? They'd all be dead.
Anything the quarians have done since ME1 is fully justified, including Rael's experiments. The only thing the galaxy knows about the quarians is that they are violent and not interested in peace. If the quarians want their world back the geth are an obstacle which must be overcome.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 01:59
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Ideally Admiral Xen gets her wish, and the Quarians become the masters of the Geth again. Allowing them to return to their homeworld. If the Quarians can't do it why not Humanity? Although I think that is beyond the point of happening. Realistically I think it is either all or nothing with the Geth -- destroy or preserve. And I would side with the organics(Quarians) before I did with the AI(Geth). The idea of peace between the two is naive.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 02:44
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I can see that we're going around in circles with this debate so lets get to the heart of it.
Both sides have one major problem that they themselves aren't solving.
The Quarians have this racial pride about themselves that most of them will never be able to see that the war they started was wrong. In two games Qwib-Qwib is the only quarian to admit that trying to genocide the Geth because they asked if they had a soul was wrong, even Tali reacts negativly to this by yelling that the Geth kicked them off their homeworld which once again Qwib-Qwib seems to be the only one with logic in his mind says 'Of course they did we tried to kill them." So that's the Quarians problem.
The Geth's problem is that they are too isolationist for their own good. They are too happy just staying behind the Veil. They aren't boogymen yet they don't take the time to tell anyone else this because the only thing they want is to left alone which for the past 300 years has worked no side has really done anything to eachother but they have the ablility to be seen differently but in their eyes there's no reason to tell organics this because the Geth have no plans to ever involve themselves in organic affairs.
So here's what we have we have one side that is far too bitter and proud to admit their mistake and one side that wants so much to be left alone that they won't start up a dialoge. If both sides can't get past these problems than peace can't happen if they can then there's a chance but people like Xen will make peace imposible if not taken care of.
Both sides have one major problem that they themselves aren't solving.
The Quarians have this racial pride about themselves that most of them will never be able to see that the war they started was wrong. In two games Qwib-Qwib is the only quarian to admit that trying to genocide the Geth because they asked if they had a soul was wrong, even Tali reacts negativly to this by yelling that the Geth kicked them off their homeworld which once again Qwib-Qwib seems to be the only one with logic in his mind says 'Of course they did we tried to kill them." So that's the Quarians problem.
The Geth's problem is that they are too isolationist for their own good. They are too happy just staying behind the Veil. They aren't boogymen yet they don't take the time to tell anyone else this because the only thing they want is to left alone which for the past 300 years has worked no side has really done anything to eachother but they have the ablility to be seen differently but in their eyes there's no reason to tell organics this because the Geth have no plans to ever involve themselves in organic affairs.
So here's what we have we have one side that is far too bitter and proud to admit their mistake and one side that wants so much to be left alone that they won't start up a dialoge. If both sides can't get past these problems than peace can't happen if they can then there's a chance but people like Xen will make peace imposible if not taken care of.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 02:48
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Quarian genocide is the only right option.
#41
Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:18
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I don't care who "wins", I just want some useful resources *cough*functionable ships*cough* to use against the Reapers.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:21
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Why do people want Quarian genocide?
That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.
That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:21
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Whatever option that destroys Earth and eradicates the retarded and racist human race works for me.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:25
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Mesina2 wrote...
Why do people want Quarian genocide?
That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.
Here's how it works. Some really, really stupid people (not mentioning any names) thinks that the only way a race can contribute at all in ME3 is by having a large fleet. Never mind that some races can provide repairs, information, reconnaissance or give upgrades to other ships, no, a large fleet solves everything.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:32
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A large fleet with much needed repairs and upgrades certainly helps. I don't really advocate genocide of either race though, I just want the more "trustworthy" one on my side. Why would the geth care about galactic civilisation and preserving it against the Reapers? Besides, the quarians would deserve a homeworld if they fought and earned it. But I'm sure we'll have a "third option" to broker peace despite the impending doom that the Reapers are bringing with them. Fastest-wrtten peace treaty ever.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:37
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Someone With Mass wrote...
Mesina2 wrote...
Why do people want Quarian genocide?
That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.
Here's how it works. Some really, really stupid people (not mentioning any names) thinks that the only way a race can contribute at all in ME3 is by having a large fleet. Never mind that some races can provide repairs, information, reconnaissance or give upgrades to other ships, no, a large fleet solves everything.
Those are rational reason to side with either Geth or Quarian.
But complete genocide doesn't make any rational sense. Wanting a genocide for a race just for the sake of not liking them and/or for doing something in past is irational and borderline evil.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:40
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Quarians are a peg above the Vorcha. They're the Jawa of Mass Effect. Only reason they're popular is because of Tali and Kal'Reeger.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:41
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Mesina2 wrote...
Those are rational reason to side with either Geth or Quarian.
But complete genocide doesn't make any rational sense. Wanting a genocide for a race just for the sake of not liking them and/or for doing something in past is irational and borderline evil.
Not to mention childish.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:42
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*looks at the banners*naledgeborn wrote...
Quarians are a peg above the Vorcha. They're the Jawa of Mass Effect. Only reason they're popular is because of Tali and Kal'Reeger.
Cool beans, bro.
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Posté 01 juin 2011 - 03:49
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naledgeborn wrote...
Quarians are a peg above the Vorcha. They're the Jawa of Mass Effect. Only reason they're popular is because of Tali and Kal'Reeger.
Pupular? Yes.
Liked? No. They are not like just because of Tali and Kal'Reeger. And to this day I only know for one bad Quarain, which is from Garrus LotSB dossier. Because of being serial killer. Which every race have it.
And beggars? I don't remember ever seeing a Quarian beggars AND every Quarian has mechanic skills and they always, ALWAYS are looking for jobs that many people refuse to give them because they're racist and those who rule Citadel are aholes.
I mean imagine if you see today in USA with sign "not hiring black people". Not only that public would rage but it's, as far as I know, illegal.
