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[Thompson family]

In Realpolitik terms, the best solution by far is to have both the Geth and the Quarians in an anti-Reaper fight. Both share an absolutely enormous strategic advantage:

Neither has a home planet, at least not at this time. The Geth don't even need air, water or gravity. The Quarians are adapted to a nomadic life.

That makes them the two toughest species for the Reapers to hunt down and kill. And both do have powerful fleets.

Now, suppose the Quarians need a homeworld to shelter their non-combatants so the Migrant Fleet can be free to attack, as the "Old Warhorse" Adm. Han'Gerrel vas Neema says.

Strategically, the Quarian Homeworld is surrounded by Geth in space stations -- making it possibly the toughest planet in the galaxy to take and the closest thing to a safe haven there is IF the two species will work together. Big "if," but maybe not as big as believed.

There are two ways to get there: Peace (or at least a truce), or successful "hacking." Whether a hack can be successful depends on what Shep did in Overlord and/or whether Adm. Xen is as good as she thinks she is.

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Throughout ME2, I kept wondering how the Geth and the Quarians could ever overcome their severe mutual distrust. Now the answer seems ridiculously obvious: They either work together or are both "reaped."

The Reapers will not spare the Geth just because they are synthetic. At the very least, they would be reprogrammed. Leaving a surviving race -- synthetic or not -- would disrupt the 50,000 cycle that we know has been going on for at least 27 million years.

So survival is at stake for both the Quarians and the Geth.

There's a Chinese saying, based on some ancient, famous family feud. Americanized, it would go something like this: Put the Hatfields and the McCoys in the same boat in the same storm, and they will work together like the right hand and the left.

Both must realize that a war against each other during a Reaper invasion is the height of folly.

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Part of the reason peace, or at least a truce, seems so distant is because the pacifist member of the Admiralty board is such a whiny loser. However, even the old warhorse will have to admit that there's little point to a war to regain the homeworld when the Reapers are on the loose.

So you have two votes for a truce at least: Han'Gerrel vas Neema, the old soldier who will plainly see that the Reapers are the greater threat, and Adm. Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib, the "Geth Apologist."

"Auntie Ran," Adm. Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, seems like a practical woman. She certainly owes Tali something, considering events. She seems a likely prospect to join the anti-Reaper Coalition and come to terms with the Geth.

That leaves two: Adm. Daro'Xen vas Moreh and the replacement, whoever that is, for Tali's father.

That could be Tali. Tali says in a dialogue option with Shepard on the Normandy that she is being considered, although she's dismissive of the possiblity. Still, if she's on board, there's no doubt whatsover that she'll go with Shepard.

And keep in mind there's still the Conclave. The Admiralty Board has the power to overrule the Conclave, but will it have the need to? Only if the Conclave makes a decision the Admiralty Board cannot abide. And even the Admiralty Board is not insensitive to public opinion. They were crowd-conscious in Tali's trial.

No, the biggest threat to peace, by far, is Adm. Xen. She's going to try some dumb stunt that will bring the Geth and the Quarians to the brink of war — or make the Geth willing automations of the anti-Reaper coalition, which would be a powerful combination, I have to admit. If it works, the Admiralty Board will fall in line.

[Clonedzero]

the quarians take off their masks and its revealed that they ARE geth...dun dun duhhhhh!


but seriously? im not a huge fan of the quarians. easily my least favorite "main" mass effect race. ill probably favor friendly geth over them, but i wont be a jerk i guess.

but i most certainly want the flotilla to be cannon fodder for my alliance fleet against the reapers

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

*looks at the banners*

Cool beans, bro.

Says pot to kettle. 

@ Mesina. They aren't beggers. They're scavengers and looters which is worse. At least I like them better than Dragon Age Elves. They created something better than they were to be their slaves. And when the slaves started asking questions they tried to kill them. They failed; badly. 

[Labrev]

naledgeborn wrote...

Quarians are a peg above the Vorcha. They're the Jawa of Mass Effect. Only reason they're popular is because of Tali and Kal'Reeger.

Hey! >=[

[CroGamer002]

naledgeborn wrote...

They aren't beggers. They're scavengers and looters which is worse. At least I like them better than Dragon Age Elves. They created something better than they were to be their slaves. And when the slaves started asking questions they tried to kill them. They failed; badly. 

LOOTERS?!

SINCE WHEN?!

Also Shepard is biggest looter in the galaxy, unless you cheat in game. Don't be a hypocrite.

And scavengers? Who cares?!
They actually makes something useful out of that junk. More space left for scrapheap.

[Spartanburger]

@Thompson Family: Very well throughout out and written. Couldn't have said it better.

@naledgeborn: Listening to you is like listening to an anti Semitic.

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

Why do people want Quarian genocide?

That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.

 

Some people are sick of Quarians. 

Myself included. 

Feels like a bunch of whiners whenever their planet and the geth are brought up. 

[naledgeborn]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Hey! >=[

I like Vorcha though. They make me laugh.

[naledgeborn]

Spartanburger wrote...

@naledgeborn: Listening to you is like listening to an anti Semitic.

I look up to Malcolm X, what can I say? This isn't the place for this conversation though.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

LOOTERS?!

SINCE WHEN?!

Also Shepard is biggest looter in the galaxy, unless you cheat in game. Don't be a hypocrite.

And scavengers? Who cares?!
They actually makes something useful out of that junk. More space left for scrapheap.

This.

Just because some ignorant human or whatever in the game says it, doesn't make it true.

The quarians scavange garbage and such to survive. Anyone would do the same if they were in their position.

[CroGamer002]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Why do people want Quarian genocide?

That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.

 

Some people are sick of Quarians. 

Myself included. 

Feels like a bunch of whiners whenever their planet and the geth are brought up. 

And?
How does that make rational to kill them off?

[thatguy212]

Lets get back on topic people, this thread is for discussing what end results you want for the geth/quarian war, not who is right or wrong or if genocide is the right answer

[naledgeborn]

The Quarians are weak. They maybe adaptable but their gridlocked politics is why they're still in space 300 years later. If their leaders can't help themselves why should Shepard bother? At least the Krogan went down fighting and were blindsided by bio-warfare.

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Why do people want Quarian genocide?

That's not pragmatic, that's just evil.

 

Some people are sick of Quarians. 

Myself included. 

Feels like a bunch of whiners whenever their planet and the geth are brought up. 

And?
How does that make rational to kill them off?

 

Rational? 

It's not rational. 

I still want the option.  

Or hell just let them get blown up by the Reapers as a distraction. I don't want to waste resources trying to help them is all. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 07:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

Some people are sick of Quarians. 

Myself included. 

Feels like a bunch of whiners whenever their planet and the geth are brought up. 

You know what I'm sick of? The humans in Mass Effect. They think they're so special, and that all aliens hate them and they're not wasting any time to try and show it either.

At least the quarians have a valid reason to complain. The humans are just spoiled brats that really should get their faces stomped in the mud for real.

[Spartanburger]

If you dislike how they are complaining, that's even more reason to help them get their planet back, how is up to you. Then they'll stop complaining and reward you with complete and utter loyalty ( or tech and upgrades)
Even the most Renegade of Shepards (assuming that this renegade is still somewhat intelligent) would still opt for peace because of the higher possibility of victory over the reapers. You can be mean to them after the reapers are dealt with.

[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...
You know what I'm sick of? The humans in Mass Effect. They think they're so special, and that all aliens hate them and they're not wasting any time to try and show it either.

At least the quarians have a valid reason to complain. The humans are just spoiled brats that really should get their faces stomped in the mud for real.

 

 

Well maybe we'll both be lucky and be able to genocide our species of choice. 

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...

The Quarians are weak. They maybe adaptable but their gridlocked politics is why they're still in space 300 years later. If their leaders can't help themselves why should Shepard bother? At least the Krogan went down fighting and were blindsided by bio-warfare.

Let me guess. Brain dead and raw strength is good. To do some actual thinking before acting is bad.

[Ryzaki]

Spartanburger wrote...

If you dislike how they are complaining, that's even more reason to help them get their planet back, how is up to you. Then they'll stop complaining and reward you with complete and utter loyalty ( or tech and upgrades)
 Even the most Renegade of Shepards (assuming that this renegade is still somewhat intelligent) would still opt for peace because of the higher possibility of victory over the reapers. You can be mean to them after the reapers are dealt with.

 

I don't want to be b***** at while trying to help them out. (Like with Tali's loyalty mission.) Screw that. They can solve their own problems. 

It's not even being mean. I just don't want to deal with them period unless its as cannon fodder. If I can toss them and the Asari at the Reapers I'll be a happy gamer. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 07:46 .

[Someone With Mass]

Spartanburger wrote...

If you dislike how they are complaining, that's even more reason to help them get their planet back, how is up to you. Then they'll stop complaining and reward you with complete and utter loyalty ( or tech and upgrades)
Even the most Renegade of Shepards (assuming that this renegade is still somewhat intelligent) would still opt for peace because of the higher possibility of victory over the reapers. You can be mean to them after the reapers are dealt with.

Don't bother. 

Some people just can't accept some development, or can't see the bigger picture. Just a waste of time all around.

[Spartanburger]

@Ryzaki: there are a bunch of people who believe that our best chance at defeating the reapers is to lure them into a planet system and then make the star go nova.
I'd prefer it not to come to that, but if I had to chose one that was inhabited, it would be humans first.

Maybe if the player doesn't have enough races helping him/her, you'll be able to do such a thing to the home system of a race...


Anyway that's getting off topic.
Quarian/Geth outcomes...
Hm.

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Let me guess. Brain dead and raw strength is good. To do some actual thinking before acting is bad.

If thinking = self imposed 300 year exile then yes. Like I said, Krogan may not be the brightest bulb in the house but at least they aren't cowards. What is the flotialla gonna do when the Reapers come. Try to out run them LOL. 

[Smilietime]

It seems incredibly obvious what the best outcome would be: The geth are preserving the quarian worlds, and don't hold any malice towards them (unless what happened on the Tali's father's ship pisses them off). So, they should be able to go their seperate ways after fighting alongside eachother against the Reapers... All other possible outcomes depend on what race you like more, and how you view the ethics of Artificial Intelligence.

Personally, I would rather whipe out the quarians then whipe out the geth, if it came down to picking one. Remember, less than 5% of all geth were able to whipe the floor with the Citidel fleet. And quarians are fragile; besides being vulnerable to sickness, we've seen their "best and brightest" get into the fight at least three times, each time they practice the 'way of the redshirt'.

Case Desmissed!

Modifié par Smilietime, 01 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Spartanburger wrote...

@Ryzaki: there are a bunch of people who believe that our best chance at defeating the reapers is to lure them into a planet system and then make the star go nova.
I'd prefer it not to come to that, but if I had to chose one that was inhabited, it would be humans first.

Maybe if the player doesn't have enough races helping him/her, you'll be able to do such a thing to the home system of a race...


Anyway that's getting off topic.
Quarian/Geth outcomes...
Hm.

 

And I would probably have the Quarians lead them there. They can make up for unleashing the geth that way. They would be the first sacrifice, the Asari would be second, then Batarians, Vorcha, after that the Krogan, Turians, Salarians, everything else then lastly humanity. 

Honestly though I want there to be a Geth OR Quarians choice. You can't have both. It would be a nice hard decision to make. 

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...
If thinking = self imposed 300 year exile then yes. Like I said, Krogan may not be the brightest bulb in the house but at least they aren't cowards. What is the flotialla gonna do when the Reapers come. Try to out run them LOL. 

Way to think outside the box.

I just love when people are so tremendously stupid, they assume that each race can only bring a big fleet to fight the Reapers head on and hope to beat them via brute force instead of providing supplies, repairs, recon, intelligence and tactics and so on.

You know. Like most fleets do.