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[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Don't bother. 

Some people just can't accept some development, or can't see the bigger picture. Just a waste of time all around.

 

Right because the Quarians are obviously the only race capable of engineering and the like. Despite the fact that the Turians have the best fleet in the galaxy, the Salarains are well known for their intelligence and espionage, the Asari...are pretty much good at everything and so on. 

Now I don't doubt they are a potentially good resource. But by no means would anyone be crippled by not having them. Infact if you do plan on allying with the Geth you might be better off WITHOUT the Quarians due to the hostilies between the two parties. (That and the fact that other races aren't exactly warm towards the Quarians either). 

The Quarians aren't the only data gathering ship engineers in the galaxy by a long shot. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 07:58 .

[Spartanburger]

What if there was a ceacefire? Not peace in the sense that they will be best buddies or good neighbors but that the Geth are still that true neutral, Quarians still hate them, but they've agreed to not attack each other for the time being.

War will lead to the Geth victory unless, maybe, the evidence at Tali's trial was a given over, so you could have a one or the other decision there that spans across two games.

Or there will be an option to support each race, although I doubt the Geth would need it, forcing the loser into extinction (Quarian loss) or forced out of Quarian systems with severely reduced numbers (Geth loss).

Xen will definitely play a role, and I would expect to see some sort of option that would return the Geth to Quarian control.

If you never did Legion's loyalty, the remainig Geth forces may become infected with the Heretic virus, forcing a war with the Geth, not just between the Quarinas but all or most organics.
I doubt reprogramming or destroy option during Legion's loyalty will be a big factor during the resolution of the Quarian/Geth conflict (regardless of outcome), but it will probably impact the endgame.

And the final option would be peace between the two. The return of the Rannoch/Creator systems for a complete ceasefire and peace with support.


Not sure how they would include all these options but these are the ones I see as most likely.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mine is rather simple, The Quarian's transfer there minds into geth bodies and live happily ever after as awesome robots with their brobots the geth. I'm sure Shepard/Tali could find some way to make it work.

[Spartanburger]

@AngelicMachinery: The fix I'm writing has a character that's like that, but more like the other way around.
I doubt BW'll make it happen.

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Way to think outside the box.

I just love when people are so tremendously stupid, they assume that each race can only bring a big fleet to fight the Reapers head on and hope to beat them via brute force instead of providing supplies, repairs, recon, intelligence and tactics and so on.

You know. Like most fleets do.

So I'm tremendously stupid now? Because I see the Quarians as a liabilty (which they are) instead of a resource? The Salarians do everything Quarians can do but better and they're a council race. What the Salarians may not be able to do the Geth certainly can. So I'm expected to thin out resources and handicap the rest of the galaxy for the Quarians because my mechanic is a Quarian? That sounds a lot more stupid to me. They're an ineffective limb slowing the rest down. The right answer is a tourniquet not a crutch. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I tend to believe that naledgeborn is correct as far as the Quarians being a major part of the Reaper fight. They've been showed to be unable to do any kind of combat at all because of their weak imune system their best marines being slaughterd by a few mechs and then by the Geth show that they aren't a fighting force. Then you have machanics and intel gathering.... something tells me that the Geth would be better at that being machanical in nature and being able to think faster than any organic would pretty much cover that need and you also have the Salarians who have been doing covert intel work for centuries.
Honestly the only thing the Quarians bring to the part is a large amount of ships so maybe they could be used as personel carriers and the like but honestly their age makes them a liability.

This is how I rank the species by importance:
1) Geth 2) Council races 3) Rachni 4) Krogan 5) Quarians 6) Batarians. I only put Batarians below the Quarians because making them unify around Shepard is very unlikely.

[AngelicMachinery]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Honestly the only thing the Quarians bring to the part is a large amount of ships so maybe they could be used as personel carriers and the like but honestly their age makes them a liability.

Don't forget their sexy, sexy fetish wear.

[AngelicMachinery]

Spartanburger wrote...

@AngelicMachinery: The fix I'm writing has a character that's like that, but more like the other way around.
I doubt BW'll make it happen.

You're probably right,  one can hope... and it does solve so many
problems.

[mi55ter]

I take the arms dealer's view of wanting the war to continue... to get more games out of the series.

[Spartanburger]

@naledgeborn: Does that make you stupid? No. Ignorant? Yes.

Especially if you honestly believe that the Salarians are better than the Quarians at what the Quarian do.
The salaries are not tech supersmarts. Not a single Salarians I know of has shown any evidence to support being extremely sting in Tech. That's not to say that they're bad a tech, in fact I'd say that they're more competent in tech than most races, but their area of expertise is in Genetics and biological science.
The Quarians are naturally born mechanics and tech experts. They have to be otherwise their fleet would have fallen apart centuries ago.

If I wanted someone to come up with a bio-weapon of some kind, or to research DNA to understand the enemy more, I'd ask a Salarian.
If I wanted to create an adaptive computer virus that would temporarily doable a Reapers shield, I'd ask a Quarian.

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...
So I'm tremendously stupid now? Because I see the Quarians as a liabilty (which they are) instead of a resource? The Salarians do everything Quarians can do but better and they're a council race. What the Salarians may not be able to do the Geth certainly can. So I'm expected to thin out resources and handicap the rest of the galaxy for the Quarians because my mechanic is a Quarian?That sounds a lot more stupid to me. They're an ineffective limb slowing the rest down. The right answer is a tourniquet not a crutch.

Yeah. Right.

Where is this indicated, exactly? Quarians are known throughout the galaxy for their inventive intellect and skills with technology

And the part about handicapping the galaxy is just retarded. No-one is asking you to take the fleet to the front lines, but I guess people like you can't think beyond those lines either.

[naledgeborn]

Spartanburger wrote...

If I wanted someone to come up with a bio-weapon of some kind, or to research DNA to understand the enemy more, I'd ask a Salarian.
If I wanted to create an adaptive computer virus that would temporarily doable a Reapers shield, I'd ask a Quarian.

The Geth are a collective Virtual Intelligence bordering on real AI. They are the virus.

Like ISpeakTruth said, all they're bringing to the table are outdated ships in need of repair which will most likely come at the rest of the Milky Way's expense. The best they can do is grow a quad and throw their fleet at the Reapers to buy the real Goddamn Heroes time to win the war. But since they're cowards (Han Garel and Kal Reeger being exceptions to the rule) I don't see that happening 

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah. Right.

Where is this indicated, exactly? Quarians are known throughout the galaxy for their inventive intellect and skills with technology

And the part about handicapping the galaxy is just retarded. No-one is asking you to take the fleet to the front lines, but I guess people like you can't think beyond those lines either.

The Salarians forged the genopahge through duress and ingenuity. 1,000 years later the Krogan still haven't recovered
The Quarians invented the Geth through lackadaisicalness and experimentation. They lost Rannoch and their colonies to the Geth. 

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...
The Salarians forged the genopahge through duress and ingenuity. 1,000 years later the Krogan still haven't recovered
The Quarians invented the Geth through lackadaisicalness and experimentation. They lost Rannoch and their colonies to the Geth. 

Because neutering a whole race is something to be really proud of.

And the salarians and the quarians are working on two entierly different fields.

The way you say it, it sounds like you honestly think an engineer and a biologist are the same thing. If you do, I feel sorry for you.  

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Salarian special ops are known for their covert hacking ability that's their real job in the field if they have to actually fight than they did something wrong. Like the Salarian comander said in ME1 that the best Salarian operatives can win a war with a push of a button without ever having to fire a shot, he then found the idea of having to fight beneath them.

I'm not saying that there aren't skilled Quarians who could be just as good at hacking and tech as the special ops are I'm just saying that doesn't outweigh the fact that you're going to have to use resources just to make the Migrant fleet usable in a combat situation they break down all the time just from flying if they get shot by anything then the tape and glue holding them together would probably fail.

You have the Geth and Salarian special ops they are the people I'd trust in a situation like Tali showed on Haelstrom they aren't very good at intel gathering when there are shots fired and in a war there will always be shots fired and their weak imune systems will get in the way.

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because neutering a whole race is something to be really proud of.

No it isn't. All is fair in love and war.

The way you say it, it sounds like you honestly think an engineer and a biologist are the same thing. If you do, I feel sorry for you.

Both requires complex thought. The Salarians succeeded in biology. The Quarians failed at engineering. Even if I wasn't intelligent enough to put together a venn diagram for you, that last statement I made is all anybody needs to know.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 01 juin 2011 - 08:57 .

[Thompson family]

@Spartanburger

Thanks for the kind words.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 juin 2011 - 09:02 .

[Malanek]

I don't think peace should be easy if even possible in such a short space of time. The mistrust goes back centuries. Either the Migrant fleet should be more or less destroyed leaving just a couple of ships and a few thousand quarians scattered accross the galaxy or the quarians smash the geth on their old homeworld and load up a virus leaving only the heretics "alive".

[Spartanburger]

What costs more, building 50,000 ships from scratch or upgrading 50,000 ships?
Also, there will not be the time nor the shipyards to build 50,000 ships, including 3( or is it four) massive dreadnoughts before the reapers arrive.
Upgrades will take time too, but not as much as simply building ships from scratch.

[Thompson family]

Wait a minute.

We now know (thanks to ME3 revelations) that the Quarians and Geth will be on the brink of war.

The Quarians would not be considering a war if they, too, had been decimated by the Reapers like the Turians, Humans, Asari and Salarians.

It's at least possible that the Migrant Fleet was in some isolated system and escaped the initial onslaught.

Meanwhile, it is also possible the Geth were more effectively able to flee the onslaught than a planet-bound species. After all, most are living on space stations in asteroid belts anyway.

They are programs. They could all "fit" in data banks and evacuated by the Geth fleet much more easily than you could ever evacuate civilian populations of Organics.

Those two could very well be the two most powerful non-Reaper factions left in the galaxy. At worst, their power relative to the council races is vastly greater.

Modifié par Thompson family, 01 juin 2011 - 09:27 .

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...
Both requires complex thought. The Salarians succeeded in biology. The Quarians failed at engineering. Even if I wasn't intelligent enough to put together a venn diagram for you, that last statement I made is all anybody needs to know.

They didn't "fail" at anything. The geth became sentient. That doesn't speak of any lack of technical skills at all. Quite the opposite, really.

[naledgeborn]

Spartanburger wrote...

What costs more, building 50,000 ships from scratch or upgrading 50,000 ships?
Also, there will not be the time nor the shipyards to build 50,000 ships, including 3( or is it four) massive dreadnoughts before the reapers arrive.
Upgrades will take time too, but not as much as simply building ships from scratch.

I agree. The Qurian Fleet is all they have. It's their military, hospital, and home. The only way they will be useful is by peace (which is questionable) or winning their war with the Geth without casualties (viruses, hacking).

If they retake the Geth they'll be useful because they have near limitless shock troops. But they won't be able to do the latter without Shepard's help (which they won't have in my game).

In the case where Quarian/Geth peace is chosen. If they aren't willing to go extinct by taking on the Reapers they are useless.

[Icinix]

I would like to see a Quarian and Geth Baby be born that will help unite the two races....

[naledgeborn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

They didn't "fail" at anything. The geth became sentient. That doesn't speak of any lack of technical skills at all. Quite the opposite, really.

Except that, that wasn't their intention. They wanted submisive, robotic butlers on a colonial scale. I don't think that falls under Geth description. If a good mechanic wants to build a tank, the mechanic will build a tank not a boat. They failed.

[Someone With Mass]

naledgeborn wrote...
If they aren't willing to go extinct by taking on the Reapers they are useless.

That must be the stupidest thing I've heard all day.

By that logic, all races are useless. Because the Reapers takes over the turian homeworld, utterly destroys their military and forces them to retreat to a nearby moon base pretty early in ME3. 

I guess that makes the turians useless too.

And the humans, since the Reapers are attacking Earth first.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 01 juin 2011 - 09:46 .