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[IanPolaris]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Why can't Hawke be an atheist?

Because your hawke, and all our Hawkes are biowares character and not ours.. unlike our wardens =(

This.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

That's implying that the Warden was, in fact, a character.

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

That's implying that the Warden was, in fact, a character.

I'd say so at least in my copy of DAO.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

IanPolaris wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That's implying that the Warden was, in fact, a character.

I'd say so at least in my copy of DAO.

-Polaris

I think Origins is badly hampered by the fact that absolutely no attention is paid to the Warden's personal life except for a few token nods to the different origins. That plus the lack of a voice hinder this badly.

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Origins is badly hampered by the fact that absolutely no attention is paid to the Warden's personal life except for a few token nods to the different origins. That plus the lack of a voice hinder this badly.

True.  DAO is hardly perfect in this regard I'll grant.  But "three voices of flavor" didn't do much for me in terms of personality either.  In DAO I defined the warden's personality by the choices I made although admittedly some background info and prodding might have been nice.

-Polaris

[Xilizhra]

The trouble is that there's no consistency to the choices you make and the accompanying tone... but all this voice stuff is more suited for another topic.

It is sort of unfortunate that Hawke can never say outright that she doesn't believe in the Maker, but she never has to say that she does.

[thedistortedchild]

Xilizhra wrote...

It is sort of unfortunate that Hawke can never say outright that she doesn't believe in the Maker, but she never has to say that she does.

That's not true at all. Diplomatic and Agressive Hawke's battle cries (which you don't get to control) both call on the maker.

Modifié par thedistortedchild, 20 août 2011 - 10:43 .

[whykikyouwhy]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It is sort of unfortunate that Hawke can never say outright that she doesn't believe in the Maker, but she never has to say that she does.

That's not true at all. Diplomatic and Agressive Hawke's battle cries (which you don't get to control) both call on the maker.

I'll fess up right here that I haven't been following this thread much and have only skimmed the last few pages, so this may have already been said.

But with regard to calling on the Maker, that could be from being raised with/around/under a specific faith. Doesn't mean that Hawke is an active follower, just that (s)he is familiar with the religion. For example, I was raised Catholic, but I don't practice the faith now. Yet every so often I find myself invoking certain names out of a knee-jerk reaction. No actual prayer there, just a return to an old habit. It could be the same with Hawke.

Just to pose a possibility.

[bleetman]

What are the diplomatic/aggressive battle lines? Are we talking "Praise the Maker!" or "Common colloquial phrase which happens to contain the word 'Maker'!" here? The two are quite different, 'sall.

[Xilizhra]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It is sort of unfortunate that Hawke can never say outright that she doesn't believe in the Maker, but she never has to say that she does.

That's not true at all. Diplomatic and Agressive Hawke's battle cries (which you don't get to control) both call on the maker.

Aggressive Hawke's line is stated in a less than respectful way; only the diplomatic version of this has overtones of it.

[naledgeborn]

Aggressive Hawke: Give the Maker my regards! That's the only reason I played an aggressive Hawke really. Cracks me up every time.

[highcastle]

In Legacy, when confronting the final boss, Hawke can express increduility or doubt about the Chantry and it's teachings. I'd say that's an option right there to RP as a non-believer. But maybe that's because I've been a snarky Hawke all along, and I've RPed my character in precisely that manner.

[Vicious]

You can in Legacy.

Other than that, it doesn't really come up. I mean what do you want, endless opportunities to be a douche like you could in DA:O? I'm glad they didn't go that route.

[Gunderic]

Vicious wrote...

You can in Legacy.

Other than that, it doesn't really come up. I mean what do you want, endless opportunities to be a douche like you could in DA:O? I'm glad they didn't go that route.

What does that have to do with being an atheist? 

[Ryzaki]

In Exile wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...
That reply is not an argument of "necessit[y]," however.  Besides, what issue would it present?  The game offers its semi-definition, and you roleplay the other elements to your liking.  If Bioware intended to exclude all atypicality in the roleplaying options, it would have required significantly more definition.

The problem comes from the family. Bethany and Leandra are Andrastians. An open atheist in that environment is not exactly a coherent fit. That was the problem I had with atheist Cousland too.

uh...I'm an atheist (a lone atheist) in a family (and community) filled with believers. 

It's not some impossible thing. 

[devSin]

Gunderic wrote...

What does that have to do with being an atheist?

I think he's talking about places where you could be a dick to Chantry believers (either make fun of them or demean their beliefs). I think you can do the same to Elthina (or you call her worthless, but that's a factual observation, not douchery), but for the most part, your own religious beliefs don't seem to come up (other than some phrases you scream, but it's not like everybody who says "god damn you" is automatically a Christian).

Certainly, I never really felt that my Hawke had any particular religious convictions or was cast as a believer.

[berelinde]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It is sort of unfortunate that Hawke can never say outright that she doesn't believe in the Maker, but she never has to say that she does.

That's not true at all. Diplomatic and Agressive Hawke's battle cries (which you don't get to control) both call on the maker.

So? I'm not even remotely religious and I habitually wish people a merry Christmas every December. It's just something that has worked its way into everyday language.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well when I heard Hawke say things about the Maker and Andraste I thought the same thing. I sort of think of most of my Dragon Age characters as being agnostic/non-religious and sometimes atheist so it did annoy me a little bit.

[thats1evildude]

I'm fairly certain that Bartrand has little regard for the Maker, being a dwarf traditionalist, but even he invokes Andraste's name when cursing.

Sometimes you just pick this stuff by being around it, man.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 août 2011 - 09:17 .

[Nashiktal]

thats1evildude wrote...

I'm fairly certain that Bartrand has little regard for the Maker, being a dwarf traditionalist, but even he invokes Andraste's name when cursing.

Sometimes you just pick this stuff by being around it, man.

Its true, im not religious at all and I still take the lords name in vain. I learned it from being in school around people. 

Andraste's ******, god dammit, their meaning has little to do with the words thesmelves you know? Bartrand is not actually thinking of Andraste's ******, (or is he? Nah hes a traditionalist, dwarven women for him), and i'm not actually asking god to damn anything. Its just a curse.

[Bryy_Miller]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I noticed that in Origins, the player could control whether The Warden was religious or not. However, we lack the same control over the protagonist of Dragon Age 2 to determine whether Hawke is Andrastian or not. Hawke's battlecries are supposed to be Andrastian, he says lines of dialogue that make it clear he's Andrastian, and the player has no control over this. It doesn't make any sense to me that this would be the case when Origins provided us with control over the protagonist's religious convictions, or lackthereof. Atheism is a concept that's been around for many centuries, and it's been noted historically all over the world. Thedas is supposed to reflect some aspects of our society, like the comparisons between England and Ferelden, for instance, but it seems this degree of control is gone for the protagonist. I don't understand why this is the case. Why are we denied the right to determine Hawke's religious convictions in an RPG where we're supposed to "create" the character? Why do we have no choice in the matter?

You do realize that athiesm is a Real Life Concept, and DA2 is a GAME, right?

[Leonia]

My sarcastic Hawke was most certainly an atheist. She was also a lesbian. Not sure if there is any correlation there, but there you have it.

[alex90c]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I noticed that in Origins, the player could control whether The Warden was religious or not. However, we lack the same control over the protagonist of Dragon Age 2 to determine whether Hawke is Andrastian or not. Hawke's battlecries are supposed to be Andrastian, he says lines of dialogue that make it clear he's Andrastian, and the player has no control over this. It doesn't make any sense to me that this would be the case when Origins provided us with control over the protagonist's religious convictions, or lackthereof. Atheism is a concept that's been around for many centuries, and it's been noted historically all over the world. Thedas is supposed to reflect some aspects of our society, like the comparisons between England and Ferelden, for instance, but it seems this degree of control is gone for the protagonist. I don't understand why this is the case. Why are we denied the right to determine Hawke's religious convictions in an RPG where we're supposed to "create" the character? Why do we have no choice in the matter?

You do realize that athiesm is a Real Life Concept, and DA2 is a GAME, right?

Oh good lord.

Did you just say just because DA2 is a game that people in it are unable to lack belief in a religion?

Did you just say that?

Oh dear.

Modifié par alex90c, 21 août 2011 - 09:59 .

[Leonia]

No, he didn't say that.

[alex90c]

leonia42 wrote...

No, he didn't say that.

He said atheism is an RL concept while DA2 is just a game.

i.e. atheism =/= DA2