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[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Couldn't a dwarf say they believe in the Maker in Ostagar?
Which wouldn't be realistic, as they've been on the surface for a few days.

Really, something as complex and deep as belief can't be handle in one or two convos with random NPCs no one cares about.

In TW1 for example, the theme of Geralt believing in "Destiny" or not (or something in between) was explored throughout the entre game from Act 1 till the end, with important characters like King of the Wild Hunt, Lady of the Lake, Triss and Alvin (and some others IIRC).

That's how you handle belief.

 

Why not KoP? You say that as though the DN had no knowledge of the surface at all. They could've easily found themselves far more interested in human religion than their own. There's always outcasts. Burkel himself is an example .

Though I wouldn't be averse to a running theme of how much Hawke/the PC believes in the maker/how they felt about Andraste in the game. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 03:01 .

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Couldn't a dwarf say they believe in the Maker in Ostagar?
Which wouldn't be realistic, as they've been on the surface for a few days.

Really, something as complex and deep as belief can't be handle in one or two convos with random NPCs no one cares about.

In TW1 for example, the theme of Geralt believing in "Destiny" or not (or something in between) was explored throughout the entre game from Act 1 till the end, with important characters like King of the Wild Hunt, Lady of the Lake, Triss and Alvin (and some others IIRC).

That's how you handle belief.

I think at this point we need to modify Godwin's law to include 'mentions of The Witcher'.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Why not KoP? You say that as though the DN had no knowledge of the surface at all. They could've easily found themselves far more interested in human religion than their own. There's always outcasts. Burkel himself is an example .

I could see a Dwarf casteless believing in the Maker. But I'd have a hard time believing a DN would so quickly convert. At least, it wouldn't be conveyed in a realistic way and would require a lot of RPing to fill the gaps.

Which is not a bad thing really.

[Leonia]

Meh, I can live without it. Either invest infnite resources for infinite options or invest zero resources for zero options and let the player you know, RP. You don't need to be prompted by an NPC for your character to believe in something. It might be nice for the game to recognise your beliefs but which would you rather have? A or B or A through Z? Hint: infinite resources don't exist.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I could see a Dwarf casteless believing in the Maker. But I'd have a hard time believing a DN would so quickly convert. At least, it wouldn't be conveyed in a realistic way and would require a lot of RPing to fill the gaps.

Which is not a bad thing really.

 

It rarely is.  

Hawke could've benefitted from a bit more customization. Sure we can say "well if the Maker exists." would've been nicer to say flat out "I don't believe in the Maker." like you could in origins. Then maybe be branded a heretic and give Peatrice even more of a reason to hate Hawke. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
It rarely is.  

Hawke could've benefitted from a bit more customization. Sure we can say "well if the Maker exists." would've been nicer to say flat out "I don't believe in the Maker." like you could in origins. Then maybe be branded a heretic and give Peatrice even more of a reason to hate Hawke. 

Something I wouldn't say then

But yea well, it's not that big of a deal.

What Origins should have had however as a theme is how the PC views being a Warden. You kind of had that with Wynne for example, but the Warden had to be an idiot / child when talking to her. I ended up RPing that my Warden was just subtly mocking her as he is pretending to care about her so called wisdom.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 03:18 .

[Leonia]

Man, I wish I had been able to tell Peatrice "Actually, I kind of agree with the Qun..". That would have been suh-weet.

[highcastle]

My Hawke was an athiest. The Andrastian battle cries only come up with diplomatic!Hawke, as far as I know. Playing a snarky mage, this wasn't an issue. And even then, I'm sure you could justify it as Hawke using common terminology the way many RL athiests and agnostics still use the word "God" to express disbelief or heightened emotions. I don't remember any point in the game where Hawke unequivocably expressed his faith.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yeah, remember how everyone in Kirkwall is an idiot? No?

Let me remind you:

Hawke: "Hey Cullen! FU, and Andraste and F the Maker!!"
Cullen: "What you are doing right now is insulting me and Chantry dogma, declaring yourself as a heretic. I'll take note of that"
Hawke: "Sorry to have bothered you"
Cullen: "Never a problem champion".

And then they say the Templars are against the freedom of speech.

[Cutlass Jack]

leonia42 wrote...

Man, I wish I had been able to tell Peatrice "Actually, I kind of agree with the Qun..". That would have been suh-weet.

Well yes. But I wouldn't say it because I actually believe it. I'd only do it to see her face.

But I only use religious statements to endear or annoy. Never to spread my beliefs.

[Shepard Lives]

highcastle wrote...

My Hawke was an athiest. The Andrastian battle cries only come up with diplomatic!Hawke, as far as I know. Playing a snarky mage, this wasn't an issue. And even then, I'm sure you could justify it as Hawke using common terminology the way many RL athiests and agnostics still use the word "God" to express disbelief or heightened emotions. I don't remember any point in the game where Hawke unequivocably expressed his faith.

This. I'm a staunch atheist, but I often end up saying stuff like "Jesus Christ" simply because I grew up in a society where nearly everyone says it. It's simple, really.

[Leonia]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Man, I wish I had been able to tell Peatrice "Actually, I kind of agree with the Qun..". That would have been suh-weet.

Well yes. But I wouldn't say it because I actually believe it. I'd only do it to see her face.

But I only use religious statements to endear or annoy. Never to spread my beliefs. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I won't lie, I really wanted an option to side with the Qunari and potentially convert to the Qun. But I also would have said such a line just to get under that woman's skin. As such statements should be made, nobody likes an overly preachy person who just wants to talk about their belief system all day.

Modifié par leonia42, 01 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

leonia42 wrote...

I won't lie, I really wanted an option to side with the quarians and potentially convert to the Qun.

Kheela salai

...what?

EDIT: o ninja edit

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[Leonia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I won't lie, I really wanted an option to side with the quarians and potentially convert to the Qun.

Kheela salai

...what?

EDIT: o ninja edit

Hush, I just happen to be posting in both this and the Geth/Quarian debate threads at the moment

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

It rarely is.  

Hawke could've benefitted from a bit more customization. Sure we can say "well if the Maker exists." would've been nicer to say flat out "I don't believe in the Maker." like you could in origins. Then maybe be branded a heretic and give Peatrice even more of a reason to hate Hawke. 

But that's pretty much exactly what "if he ever existed" plus scathing delivery connotates. I dunno what exactly specific wording would help

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Yeah, remember how everyone in Kirkwall is an idiot? No?

Let me remind you:

Wouldn't it be nice if there could be one thread on this board where you don't feel compelled to remind us about your undying love for DA2.

Just one thread.

Modifié par ipgd, 01 juin 2011 - 03:30 .

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Something I wouldn't say then

But yea well, it's not that big of a deal.

What Origins should have had however as a theme is how the PC views being a Warden. You kind of had that with Wynne for example, but the Warden had to be an idiot / child when talking to her. I ended up RPing that my Warden was just subtly mocking her as he is pretending to care about her so called wisdom.

 You and Peatrice. Ick just...ick. 

Would've beena nice touch though. 

Ugh Wynne...Morrigan had it too. I couldn't disagree with her reasonably. It mostly degenerated to me calling her a b****. (that or her not talking to me period because of dissapproval). Bleh. Thank you rivalry system.   If there was one good thing that came out of DA2 it was that. 

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yeah, remember how everyone in Kirkwall is an idiot? No?

Let me remind you:

Hawke: "Hey Cullen! FU, and Andraste and F the Maker!!"
Cullen: "What you are doing right now is insulting me and Chantry dogma, declaring yourself as a heretic. I'll take note of that"
Hawke: "Sorry to have bothered you"
Cullen: "Never a problem champion".

And then they say the Templars are against the freedom of speech.

[Leonia]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@ipgd: On that day, hell shall freeze over.

Good thing hell doesn't exist.

[Leonia]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@ipgd: On that day, hell shall freeze over.

Good thing hell doesn't exist.

In your opinion, sir/m'am.

I could get religious and ask you to point to where hell is talk about in the Bible but.. nah. That would require some thinking. And effort. And we're already off-topic enough because you just have to make a comment on everything don't you.