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[Ryzaki]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Yeah, remember how everyone in Kirkwall is an idiot? No?

Let me remind you:

Hawke: "Hey Cullen! FU, and Andraste and F the Maker!!"
Cullen: "What you are doing right now is insulting me and Chantry dogma, declaring yourself as a heretic. I'll take note of that"
Hawke: "Sorry to have bothered you"
Cullen: "Never a problem champion".

And then they say the Templars are against the freedom of speech.

I thought you might like that, Ryzaki.

 

Dead Space 2 spoilers

Hey the first line reminded me of this. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

leonia42 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@ipgd: On that day, hell shall freeze over.

Good thing hell doesn't exist.

In your opinion, sir/m'am.

I could get religious and ask you to point to where hell is talk about in the Bible but.. nah.

So because it's not in the Bible, that  means it doesn't exist? Hmmm

Anywhoo, can someone confirm that only a diplomatic Hawke would utter Andrastrian phrases?
Because that really doesm't make much sense. Aggression, sarcasm and diplomacy are irrespective of belief, unless we now want to convey the idea that only religious people can be nice or vice versa.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 03:41 .

[ipgd]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@ipgd: On that day, hell shall freeze over.

A chance to actually have a discussion that isn't derailed by repetitive off-topic complaining and Witcher references? It would be a rare day, indeed.

Couldn't you go find some threads to post in about things you actually like instead of trying to ruin everything for everyone else, please

[tmp7704]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the writers made it clear that Hawke is Andrastian based on his dialogue in combat and with the companions, you're saying that I should ignore it and imagine something else.

Hawke can be Andrastian depending on the dominant personality you pick for him/her, and the dialogue lines you select. It doesn't mean every Hawke is Andrastian, however, which means you don't have to ignore anything if you go the route which doesn't result in these faith-related lines, and incidentally also answers your OP question.

Personally i don't recall my Hawke ever act like Andrastian, perhaps because i've picked mainly purple/red options for his dialogue. Basically, that renders the premise of this thread false.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 juin 2011 - 03:42 .

[Leonia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@ipgd: On that day, hell shall freeze over.

Good thing hell doesn't exist.

In your opinion, sir/m'am.

I could get religious and ask you to point to where hell is talk about in the Bible but.. nah.

So because it's not in the Bible, that  means it doesn't exist? Hmmm

Anywhoo, can someone confirm that only a diplomatic Hawke would utter Andrastrian phrases?
Because that really doesm't make much sense. Aggression, sarcasm and diplomacy are irrespective of belief, unless we now want to convey the idea that only religious people can be nice or vice versa.

I'm an atheist, KoP The comment was more directed at the person I was quoting.  I'm fairly sure that both diplomatic and aggressive Hawke have Maker-related battlecries. Sarcastic seems immune.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Anywhoo, can someone confirm that only a diplomatic Hawke would utter Andrastrian phrases?
Because that really doesm't make much sense. Aggression, sarcasm and diplomacy are irrespective of belief, unless we now want to convey the idea that only religious people can be nice or vice versa.

I think aggressive Hawke also has a Maker reference? Snark Hawke definitely doesn't.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
So because it's not in the Bible, that  means it doesn't exist? Hmmm

Anywhoo, can someone confirm that only a diplomatic Hawke would utter Andrastrian phrases?
Because that really doesm't make much sense. Aggression, sarcasm and diplomacy are irrespective of belief, unless we now want to convey the idea that only religious people can be nice or vice versa.

 

I haven't heard any Andrastian phrases on my aggressive/snarky Hawke playthroughs. I might have a faulty memory though. 

Mostly aggressive is all "Nothing's like the smell of flesh blood!" ...wait I think Aggressive might have a few Andrastian phrases but I think they're of the "NOW YOU MEET YOUR MAKER!" variety. "Give the maker my regards!" is one I can remember. 

But that's more of a go to hell phrase anyways. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 03:47 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

If the writers made it clear that Hawke is Andrastian based on his dialogue in combat and with the companions, you're saying that I should ignore it and imagine something else.

Hawke can be Andrastian depending on the dominant personality you pick for him/her, and the dialogue lines you select. It doesn't mean every Hawke is Andrastian, however, which means you don't have to ignore anything if you go the route which doesn't result in these faith-related lines, and incidentally also answers your OP question.

Personally i don't recall my Hawke ever act like Andrastian, perhaps because i've picked mainly purple/red options for his dialogue. Basically, that renders the premise of this thread false.

The dominant personality thing really doesn't make much sense in this regard. You can't be an aggressive or sarcastic Andrastrian?

Alistair was a sarcastic Andrastrian. Anders even.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 03:44 .

[tmp7704]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The dominant personality thing really doesn't make much sense in this regard. You can't be an aggressive or sarcasitc Andrastrian?

Alistair was a sarcastic Andrastrian. Anders even.

No matter what labels they attach to the tones, BioWare still operates largely on the "blue = pious kitten hugger" and "red = moustache twirling puppy kicker" personality models. The purple is just snark added to the previouos "i have no strong opinion one way or the other" neutral  noncommital option.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 juin 2011 - 03:49 .

[Ryzaki]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The dominant personality thing really doesn't make much sense in this regard. You can't be an aggressive or sarcasitc Andrastrian?

Alistair was a sarcastic Andrastrian. Anders even.

No matter what labels they attach to the tones, BioWare still operates largely on the "blue = pious kitten hugger" and "red = moustache twirling puppy kicker" personality models. The purple is just snark added to the previouos "i have no strong opinion one way or the other" neutral option.

Except Aggressive does have some Andrastian lines. (Though they're mostly the go to hell variety). 

Though aggressive was pretty douchey. Direct on the other hand wasn't. 

[ipgd]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

And yet you are the one who mentions The Witcher, and not I. Funny how that works.

The Godwin's Law Witcher Edition was already invoked by your buddy.

Still, just being a pal and letting you know what you do is incredibly aggravating to the few people who are actually interested in DA2 discussions incase you were unawares!!!

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The dominant personality thing really doesn't make much sense in this regard. You can't be an aggressive or sarcastic Andrastrian?

Alistair was a sarcastic Andrastrian. Anders even.

When does sarcastic Hawke ever say anything that suggests he couldn't be an Andrastian? Maybe the writers just didn't come up with any snarky religious references for the battle cries.

Regardless, there's plenty of use of "Maker" as an exclamation or what not in the snarky dialogue options, so.

[KnightofPhoenix]

tmp7704 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The dominant personality thing really doesn't make much sense in this regard. You can't be an aggressive or sarcasitc Andrastrian?

Alistair was a sarcastic Andrastrian. Anders even.

No matter what labels they attach to the tones, BioWare still operates largely on the "blue = pious kitten hugger" and "red = moustache twirling puppy kicker" personality models. The purple is just snark added to the previouos "i have no strong opinion one way or the other" neutral option.

Yep. Which is a shame, because I liked the concept of dominant personality.

In ME1 (of course I don't expect complaining by comparing with another Bioware game), when talking with Ashley, belief in God is irrespective of renegade / paragon. Of course it was only one convo with little importance, but it was irrespective of Shepard's "alignement". A renegade could believe in God and a Paragon could be an atheist.

So yea, DA2 needs a bit of tweeking in that regard and get the bipolarity out of their heads. Adding a third "lulz I don't really know or care" personality is not enough. 

[tmp7704]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

But I felt that the neutral option being humorous is a good disguise. I only noticed it until late in-game. And I cannot seem to recall if the Neutral/funny option did have any strong opinions.

I kinda hated how it's introduced at the expense of "plain" neutral option. But then i my level-headed non-extremist Shepard

[Ryzaki]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
But I felt that the neutral option being humorous is a good disguise. I only noticed it until late in-game. And I cannot seem to recall if the Neutral/funny option did have any strong opinions. Anders once asked Hawke to lead the mages in a revolution. Hawke just said that she wanted to sit on the side-lines.

 

Yeah I kind of love how "ha ha you all suck." funny Hawke is. 

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yep. Which is a shame, because I liked the concept of dominant personality.

In ME1 (of course I don't expect complaining by comparing with another Bioware game), when talking with Ashley, belief in God is irrespective of renegade / paragon. Of course it was only one convo with little importance, but it was irrespective of Shepard's "alignement". A renegade could believe in God and a Paragon could be an atheist.

So yea, DA2 needs a bit of tweeking in that regard and get the bipolarity out of their heads. Adding a third "lulz I don't really know or care" personality is not enough. 

But it's the same with Hawke? It's not like the dialogue options are locked according to your dominant personality. Given that we've established that the use of colloquial religious figures of speech during battle isn't necessarily an indication of religious faith, is the lack thereof really an indication of atheism?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
But I felt that the neutral option being humorous is a good disguise. I only noticed it until late in-game. And I cannot seem to recall if the Neutral/funny option did have any strong opinions. Anders once asked Hawke to lead the mages in a revolution. Hawke just said that she wanted to sit on the side-lines.

 

Yeah I kind of love how "ha ha you all suck." funny Hawke is. 

Hypocritical sob.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...
But it's the same with Hawke? It's not like the dialogue options are locked according to your dominant personality. Given that we've established that the use of colloquial religious figures of speech during battle isn't necessarily an indication of religious faith, is the lack thereof really an indication of atheism?

Never said it was.
I still do not understand the logic that a snarky Hawke wouldn't reference belief in battle, but diplomatic and aggressive would even if they are supposed to be atheist. So what's the logic? 

As for dialogue options not being locked. I always felt weird when my snarky Hawke suddenly changed his tone of voice and became too serious in a situation that didn't really demand it. Can't he express belief sarcastically? You don't have to say you believe in the Maker with a dull wannabe saint like voice.

Of course that's limitation on resources and I understand the dominant personality thing not taken to its full potential.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 04:03 .

[Leonia]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@leonia42: Not everyone is an atheist.

 Never said they were. Was simply implying you were a Chrstian because you believe in hell. And was pointing out that your little insult means nothing to me because I don't believe in that (and also, pointing out, that your Bible doesn't really believe in it either). But let's keep dragging things off-topic, that is your specialty, no? Got something worthwhile to add yet?

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Hypocritical sob.

You take that back right now. Snarky Hawke is the only Hawke who *doesn't* try to fix anything or have people follow him. The game makes so much sense with snarky Hawke.  

Everything's just a ball of laughs in that case.  

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Yeah, which is why I haven't played Hawke as anything else. The neutral option really IS the best option in DA2.

 

It is. The only downside is you lose out on convincing certain people. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 04:05 .

[Leonia]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ipgd wrote...
But it's the same with Hawke? It's not like the dialogue options are locked according to your dominant personality. Given that we've established that the use of colloquial religious figures of speech during battle isn't necessarily an indication of religious faith, is the lack thereof really an indication of atheism?

Never said it was.
I still do not understand the logic that a snarky Hawke wouldn't reference belief in battle, but diplomatic and aggressive would even if they are supposed to be atheist. So what's the logic?

My guess there isn't any logic and it wasn't "intentional" by the writing team to make sarcastic Hawke an accidental non-believer (if you really want to believe that battlecries alone make one a believer in anything..). It's probably just as you say, an example of a lack of resources/time spent on the dominant personality system. Which is a shame, that could have been really cool if implemented better.