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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Everything's just a ball of laughs in that case. 

Granted, it makes more sense for the story, which I think was written like a political / social satire and comedy.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Granted, it makes more sense for the story, which I think was written like a political / social satire and comedy.

 

Why do you think that? I don't mind a wall of text I could use some interesting info. 

[Savber100]

That would be cool... having our religious stance define our role in DA.

Will you consider it Bioware? Along with origins?

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ipgd wrote...
But it's the same with Hawke? It's not like the dialogue options are locked according to your dominant personality. Given that we've established that the use of colloquial religious figures of speech during battle isn't necessarily an indication of religious faith, is the lack thereof really an indication of atheism?

Never said it was.
I still do not understand the logic that a snarky Hawke wouldn't reference belief in battle, but diplomatic and aggressive would even if they are supposed to be atheist. So what's the logic?

Does there have to be a logic? If their inclusion is inconsequential their exclusion is equally so, especially considering snark!Hawke does also get plenty of opportunity to use similar figures of speech in the actual dialogue. Unless the things he says in battle and the things he says in conversations has some arbitrary divide and battle cries are the real important indication of faith.

Honestly, I just doubt the writers anticipated that people would nitpick something as inconsequential as frequency of Andrastian references between personality type battle cries and just did not come up with any snarky religious references for the battle cries. It doesn't mean anything.

[John Epler]

For once, can we keep a discussion going without falling into the 'take little shots at each other' trap that it seems everything on these forums turns into lately?

Modifié par JohnEpler, 01 juin 2011 - 04:10 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Granted, it makes more sense for the story, which I think was written like a political / social satire and comedy.

 

Why do you think that? I don't mind a wall of text I could use some interesting info. 

Sarcasm. I think they were trying to be serious, but I see DA2 is ending up like a satire because of how comical it is (once the headache is gone).

[Leonia]

But seriously Sarcastic Hawke is the most fun Hawke anyway, all you other Hawkes are.. personalitiest!

Modifié par leonia42, 01 juin 2011 - 04:12 .

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sarcasm. I think they were trying to be serious, but I see DA2 is ending up like a satire because of how comical it is (once the headache is gone).

 

Now you know my snark o meter is borked!  

I have to admit though lightsaber sword was...I don't know what they were thinking. I pretend its a homage to KOTOR. It even makes the little sounds. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 04:12 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...

Does there have to be a logic?

Yes.

If their inclusion is inconsequential their exclusion is equally so, especially considering snark!Hawke does also get plenty of opportunity to use similar figures of speech in the actual dialogue.

Not questioning this. Rather questoning the arbitrary selection.
When my snark Hawke referenced the Maker, he does so with a diplomatic dull tone of voice IIRC.

But like I said, I don't really care that much. Lack of resources was probably the reason.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

But seriously Sarcastic Hawke is the most fun Hawke anyway, all you other Hawkes are.. personalitiest!

Agreed. You can be both neutral, and humorous. Tried doing an aggro run once. Couldn't rival Varric.

Why can't one be aggressive neutral? Essentiall say "FU all".

Like Tmp said, diplo / aggro / sarko (K for Sarkozy), is still tied to "alignement". For instance, apparently you can't side with Petrice unless you're aggro.

That needs work imo.

[ipgd]

JohnEpler wrote...

For once, can we keep a discussion going without falling into the 'take little shots at each other' trap that it seems everything on these forums turns into lately?

Is there a way to get it from falling into the 'let's ****** over how much we hate DA2, LOL' trap every other thread turns into? Because that one is equally bad.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Does there have to be a logic?

Yes.

If their inclusion is inconsequential their exclusion is equally so, especially considering snark!Hawke does also get plenty of opportunity to use similar figures of speech in the actual dialogue.

Not questioning this. Rather questoning the arbitrary selection.
When my snark Hawke referenced the Maker, he does so with a diplomatic dull tone of voice IIRC.

But like I said, I don't really care that much. Lack of resources was probably the reason.

Sometimes things are just arbitrary.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Why can't one be aggressive neutral? Essentiall say "FU all".

Like Tmp said, diplo / aggro / sarko (K for Sarkozy), is still tied to "alignement". For instance, apparently you can't side with Petrice unless you're aggro.

That needs work imo.

 

Yeah that made no sense to me. 

I have to be aggressive to want the Qunari out of the city? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 04:18 .

[Ryzaki]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

But seriously Sarcastic Hawke is the most fun Hawke anyway, all you other Hawkes are.. personalitiest!

Agreed. You can be both neutral, and humorous. Tried doing an aggro run once. Couldn't rival Varric.

 

I loved my Douchebag Hawke. 

He's fun. 

He kind of snapped at endgame though. 

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Why can't one be aggressive neutral? Essentiall say "FU all".

Like Tmp said, diplo / aggro / sarko (K for Sarkozy), is still tied to "alignement". For instance, apparently you can't side with Petrice unless you're aggro.

That needs work imo.

That one I think would have benefited from not being tied to the personality system, but I can't really think of any other choices that are directly tied to your "alignment" rather than your ability to persuade people given your and their personality. In pretty minor side quests, at that.

Modifié par ipgd, 01 juin 2011 - 04:22 .

[Ryzaki]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
I personally think the dialouge wheel is impossible of applying DnD alignments to. You cannot be Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral, Lawful Neutral and such. There is only one sort of Neutral, one sort of Good, and one sort of Evil to choose from the wheel.

 

Aggressive Hawke isn't evil. 

He's just a douche. (Like Renegade Shepard) 

[Leonia]

I don't think anyone is comparing it to the D&D alignment system..

You started off with your humourous neutral concept now others are chiming in with other variations.

As I said before, it's a shame the dominant personality thing didn't work out so well. And wow, you have to be aggressive to side with Peatrice? Now this is eerily starting to sound like the Paragon/Renegade system (and all its flaws) from ME. I thought one of the better things about the personality system in DA is that it DIDN'T fall into all the same traps that P/R system did but guess I was wrong.

[ipgd]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I personally think the dialouge wheel is impossible of applying DnD alignments to. You cannot be Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral, Lawful Neutral and such. There is only one sort of Neutral, one sort of Good, and one sort of Evil to choose from the wheel.

Are alignments really broken down to individual choices? I was under the impression that alignments are the cumulative result of all of your choices. Even with just three basic options you are not constrained to pick any of them consistently.

[Ryzaki]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Precisely.

 

Which is just like the Paragon/Renegade system. 

...at least it avoided a few of the systems flaw (like forcing you to do paragon actions all the time if you wanted enough para points to make sure you teammates were all loyal). 

But...yeah it's just like para/rene just with a funny neutral option instead of boring neutral Shep. You're never actually evil. You're just a douche/saint that everyone follows regardless. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 04:29 .

[Valcutio]

Everyone in DA2 is bisexual to boot. There's few similarities to our world.

In a world of bad writing, does it matter what anyone believes?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Why do people keep saying Peatrice?

It's PEtrice.