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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
You should play it KoP. 

It's one of the only Crowning Moments of Awesome in the game (when you staredown the Arishok) you can feel the tension. Its a delicious scene. 

Well I have said, if I am going to play the game again, I'll stop once Act 2 is finished. But that means I have to suffer through Act 1 again, knowing that it leads to nowhere.

So I might just watch it on YT and be content with it.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I can't bare to play the game twice.
I was told.

For someone who can't bare to play it you sure love to talk about it :innocent:

tmp7704 wrote...

Since it's tied to a personality, doesn't that mean it's potentially available to ~1/3rd of the players? It may be something that isn't talked about much (because people either don't see it in their game or --when they do see it-- they have no reason to think it's something the others don't get to see as well and as such it's not worth making excited posts about) but that doesn't mean it's not utilized to larger extent than it'd appear on the forums.

I don't remember where I heard or saw this but wasn't the aggressive personality only chosen by something like under 10% of first playthroughs?

Modifié par ipgd, 01 juin 2011 - 05:10 .

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
You should play it KoP. 

It's one of the only Crowning Moments of Awesome in the game (when you staredown the Arishok) you can feel the tension. Its a delicious scene. 

Well I have said, if I am going to play the game again, I'll stop once Act 2 is finished. But that means I have to suffer through Act 1 again, knowing that it leads to nowhere.

So I might just watch it on YT and be content with it.

Bah. You're gonna make me Fraps it aren't you.  

It's just not as awesome as in game though.   Ah well. I have an aggressive pro-chantry Hawke in the making anyways. Patch 1.03 needs to hurry up so I can play him. 

[Kroepoek]

Ariella wrote...

Things like this haven't happened yet in the Thedas timeline

So, the maker told you that, didn't he?

Yeah, no. It's a fantasy game. Why should it follow the same timeline as real life as you described?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Bah. You're gonna make me Fraps it aren't you.  

Would you?

[tmp7704]

ipgd wrote...

I don't remember where I heard or saw this but wasn't the aggressive personality only chosen by something like under 10% of first playthroughs?

I have no idea and you could be right about it (that's why i said "potentially" there)  However, i'm not sure if this would be for sure interpreted by the devs as "no point in providing such choice then" as opposed to "we need to put these choices in the paths which are used by more players".

[ipgd]

tmp7704 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I thought that outcry was more about having to drag their asses out to butt**** nowhere just to be able to talk to them, which wasn't really a problem in DA2.

That was part of it, and i don't think it's really removed in DA2 -- you still need to take the companion with you on certain quests so when you make your choices they can react with approval/disapproval and unlock the friendship/rivalry dialogues available in the "base".

I never really had much of a problem with that, since I would bring whatever party members I thought would have something to say about a particular quest anyway. It does discourage using one party all of the time, though, I guess.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Bah. You're gonna make me Fraps it aren't you.  

Would you?

 

Blargh. 

Fine. 

*goes off to dig through her heaps of saves for one hopefully close enough* 

And don't knock my red headed Hawke! 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Blargh. 

Fine. 

*goes off to dig through her heaps of saves for one hopefully close enough* 

And don't knock my red headed Hawke! 

And as some are quick to point out, I love to criticize, so sorry in advance

[tmp7704]

ipgd wrote...

[I never really had much of a problem with that, since I would bring whatever party members I thought would have something to say about a particular quest anyway. It does discourage using one party all of the time, though, I guess.

Hah, same which is why that part didn't really bother me in either Awakening nor DA2. But i quite resented removal of option to have conversation in the field, replaced just with the canned barks... since it makes for a very artificial separation between gameplay modes compared to the alternative. And that's unfortunately exactly what we got in DA2 as well. (and going by what Mr.Gaider says, that's prety much what we're going to get in the future games as well)

[ipgd]

tmp7704 wrote...

ipgd wrote...

[I never really had much of a problem with that, since I would bring whatever party members I thought would have something to say about a particular quest anyway. It does discourage using one party all of the time, though, I guess.

Hah, same which is why that part didn't really bother me in either Awakening nor DA2. But i quite resented removal of option to have conversation in the field, replaced just with the canned barks... since it makes for a very artificial separation between gameplay modes compared to the alternative. And that's unfortunately exactly what we got in DA2 as well. (and going by what Mr.Gaider says, that's prety much what we're going to get in the future games as well)

I think the tradeoff for cinematics was worth it, but eh. Maybe they could do a little of both in the future.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Blargh. 

Fine. 

*goes off to dig through her heaps of saves for one hopefully close enough* 

And don't knock my red headed Hawke! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/kissing.png[/smilie]

And as some are quick to point out, I love to criticize, so sorry in advance [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

It would be awfully cool if you could keep said criticisms related to the topic of discussion instead of making random proclamations that have little to do with anything to remind us just how much you hate the game, but hey! Who doesn't love a circle jerk?

Modifié par ipgd, 01 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[Ariella]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Things like this haven't happened yet in the Thedas timeline

So, the maker told you that, didn't he?

Yeah, no. It's a fantasy game. Why should it follow the same timeline as real life as you described?

You miss the point, which is at the beginning of the Dragon Age, there's no real reason NOT to believe and a host of reasons why belief in the Maker is the norm in Human society,

I do believe that the Dragon Age is going to provide that shake up, starting with the mage/templar conflict, but while that might be enough to break the supremecy of the Chantry, it doesn't mean people enmasse are going to start disbelieving. It's going to take something huge to shake the faith of the majority of an entire continent.

[Ryzaki]

We're not talking about altering the beliefs of the majority of people. Just altering the beliefs of Hawke who is supposed to be our PC and customizable to a certain extent.

So yes I think Hawke's religion (or lack thereof) should be ours to decide. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 05:28 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

We're not talking about altering the beliefs of the majority of people. Just altering the beliefs of Hawke who is supposed to be our PC and customizable to a certain extent.

So yes I think Hawke's religion (or lack thereof) should be ours to decide. 

Yea especially when Thedas does not conform to many other social norms that medieval societies in our own world had.

And we had some atheists. I think Avernus was atheist.

[ipgd]

You can be an atheist, though :|

Hawke will always be "culturally Andrastian", which is a given considering he was raised in an Andrastian culture in an Andrastian family, but you do have at least one opportunity to poop on the Maker.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Dialogue in DAO was watered down to take into account elves and dwarves. Not to give your human "religious options."

There's no doubt in the setting that the Maker and Andraste are divine. It's not like magic is a potential thing... magic is real. People have seen it happen.

[LobselVith8]

Ariella wrote...

You miss the point, which is at the beginning of the Dragon Age, there's no real reason NOT to believe and a host of reasons why belief in the Maker is the norm in Human society

Morrigan doesn't believe in the Maker. Aveline doesn't believe in the Chant (and the consensus is split between her being an atheist and agnostic). Since even The Warden could be an atheist, I don't see why Hawke couldn't.

Ariella wrote...

I do believe that the Dragon Age is going to provide that shake up, starting with the mage/templar conflict, but while that might be enough to break the supremecy of the Chantry, it doesn't mean people enmasse are going to start disbelieving. It's going to take something huge to shake the faith of the majority of an entire continent.

This isn't about what the majority believe in, but the capacity for an individual to simply not adhere to religious docturine.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 01 juin 2011 - 05:32 .

[Ryzaki]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dialogue in DAO was watered down to take into account elves and dwarves. Not to give your human "religious options."

There's no doubt in the setting that the Maker and Andraste are divine. It's not like magic is a potential thing... magic is real. People have seen it happen.

 


Riight. That's totally why in the Human Noble origin you have the option to tell Mother Mallol (who a elf/dwarf would never speak too) that you "don't believe in the Maker." 

KnightofPhoenix wrote..
Yea especially when Thedas does not conform to many other social norms that medieval societies in our own world had.

And we had some atheists. I think Avernus was atheist.

 
Not to mention Morrigan. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 05:33 .

[ipgd]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dialogue in DAO was watered down to take into account elves and dwarves. Not to give your human "religious options."

There's no doubt in the setting that the Maker and Andraste are divine. It's not like magic is a potential thing... magic is real. People have seen it happen.

There is doubt, though. The Maker isn't the only explanation for magical phenomena.

LobselVith8 wrote...

Morrigan doesn't believe in the Maker. Aveline doesn't believe in the Chant (and the consensus is split between her being an atheist and agnostic). Since even The Warden could be an atheist, I don't see why Hawke couldn't.

And now for the obligatory semantic nitpick, agnosticism is not a belief system, it is a qualifer. Aveline is likely a non-affiliated agnostic theist or a deist.

There is opportunity to play Hawke as an atheist or a doubter of the Chant.

[KnightofPhoenix]

LobselVith8 wrote...
This isn't about what the majority believe in, but the capacity for an individual to simply not adhere to religious docturine.

The real limitation imo is that Hawke can't be a real believer in the Chantry, that would make him a big hypocrit. He is either an apostate (and remains as such) or the sibling of an apostate that tolerates her being an apostate (and he has nothing to do with her going to the Circle). He tolerates Anders and even ends up providing him with immunity, whether he wants it or not.

So eh, I don't think you can control Hawke in regards to either extreme side of the spectrum.  If anything, Hawke could be an atheist, but you'd have a harder time making him a devout Chantry follower. 

With the Warden, you had more flexibility and can decide to kick Morrigan out (or turn her in to Templars in Terra mod), think Leliana is crazy from a religious perspective. Tell Sten his Qun sucks...etc.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote..
Yea especially when Thedas does not conform to many other social norms that medieval societies in our own world had.

And we had some atheists. I think Avernus was atheist.

 
Not to mention Morrigan. 

She lived outside of society, so I don't think she's a good representation. Avernus on the otherhand I assume lived in the Circle and then with Wardens. He's more integrated than Morrigan.

[LobselVith8]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Dialogue in DAO was watered down to take into account elves and dwarves. Not to give your human "religious options."

There's no doubt in the setting that the Maker and Andraste are divine. It's not like magic is a potential thing... magic is real. People have seen it happen.

Morrigan and Leliana have this conversation in Origins:

Leliana: I'm wondering Morrigan... do you believe in the Maker?

Morrigan: Certainly not. I've no primitive fear of the moon such that I must place my faith in tales so that I may sleep at night.

Leliana: But this can't all be an accident. Spirits, magic, all these wonderous things around us both dark and light. You know these things exist.

Morrigan: The fact of their existence does not presuppose an intelligent design by some absentee father-figure.

Leliana: So it is all random, then? A happy coincidence that we are all here?

Morrigan: Attempting to impose order over chaos is futile. Nature is, by its very nature, chaotic.

Leliana: I don't believe that. I believe we have a purpose. All of us.

Morrigan: Yours, apparently being to bother me.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 01 juin 2011 - 05:50 .