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[Chugster]

Just wondering what you feel is the best ending for your sibling:

1) dying, either in the DR or at your hands at the end

2) joining the Wardens

3) joining the circle/templars

[Herr Uhl]

What do you mean by DR? Anyways, Carver finds purpose in the wardens and Bethany gets to be "normal" in the Circle. Which seems to be what they want.

[Raygereio]

Herr Uhl wrote...
What do you mean by DR? Anyways, Carver finds purpose in the wardens and Bethany gets to be "normal" in the Circle. Which seems to be what they want.

DR = Deep Roads.
Also I agree with you and Alistairlover.
Bethany in the Wardens goes down with what appears to be a nasty case of PTSS, or something. Though she does appear to get better at the ending, it far from a happy time for her.
Carver in the Templars can, I guess still be seen as Carver seeking out his own path (or that of his namesake) and somethat that is good for him. Though one can argue he joined the Templar just to be as different as MageHawke as possible (especially if you're on the rivalry path).

[sonoko]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Carver: Grey Warden

Bethany: Circle mage

This. 

Carver becomes a templar not because he truly wants this, but as a revenge to his elder mage-sibling. Later he understands his motives and regrets his choice. 

What Carver truly wants is to go to the Deep Roads with Hawke, so all that happens with him later there - be it death or becoming a grey warden - are consequences of his own actions and choices. Once Carver understands it he becomes free from his sibling's shadow as he always wanted, while in his templar path it's still his sibling who shaped his life not Carver himself.

[mesmerizedish]

Carver: dying.

Oh you mean best for HIM?

Ugh, whatever other people say, I guess.

[Huntress]

Carver loves to be gray warden, if he is left behind he regrets been a templar.
Bethany wants to "Fit" as mage, so My hawk made her gray warden, just like My AmellMage. She becomes Usefull and Free of the templars. oh yeah!

[TobiTobsen]

Carver as a Warden. He is doing important stuff and finally overcomes his whole "My brother/sister is so much more awesome than me" whining.

Bethany as a Mage if you support the mages. She gets a new purpose in life, is free and "normal"

[Fidget6]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Carver: Grey Warden

Bethany: Circle mage

Precisely what I was gonna put. Bethany actually seemed pretty happy in the circle.

[RPJer001]

Both Grey Wardens -- cooler outfits IMO

[highcastle]

I haven't actually made it far out of the Gallows with a non-mage!Hawke, so I can't speak much on Bethany. But as far as Carver's concerned, I concur with the Wardens. I've played his character arc every single way. With the Wardens, he's resentful at first, but he overcomes some of his insecurities and becomes a more confident person. With the templars, I don't see much character growth. He'll stop Meredith from killing you at the end, but up to that point he's the same exact person he's always been. I think part of this stems from the fact that you see a bit more of your Warden sibling than non-Wardens. So we have more opportunities to watch the subtle shifts in Carver's behavior as a Warden than we do as a templar.

[Ryzaki]

Carver: Grey Wardens
Bethany: Grey Wardens

I like them both with the Grey Wardens. Carver finally matures and Bethany gets a hardened outlook on the world and I found it an interesting arch. She goes from being protected to doing the protecting.

[LobselVith8]

I'd say Circle mage for Bethany if it wasn't so ridiculous that Hawke doesn't do anything to stop two templars when he's finished fighting a myraid of Profane antagonists, a Profane Abomination, and an Ancient Rockwraith. The man has the Murder Knife that can cut through templar armor, we have seen it in action against Wesley!

I'd say Grey Warden for Carver. He's part of something greater than himself, he comes to terms with Hawke, and he quotes the oath...

[phyreblade74]

Isn't that subjective? I mean, I play according to what makes the most sense, to me, for my Hawke's story. Which means I have different expectations according to my Hawke as to what's best/right in regards their sibling. Sooo...

Carver, in my mage playthroughs, always becomes a Templar. I just love the scenes where he defies Meredith to stand by his sister, at the end.

Bethany, though, dies during my rogue playthroughs. There's an angst to my rogue's story that simply requires such a blow. During my warrior playthroughs, however, I go by ear and just listen to what my heart tells me. I've had a couple runs where I've allowed Bethany to die and another where she's gone to the wardens. It just depends on how I'm feeling about that particular Hawke I'm playing with at the time. One Hawke, I mean, just totally blasted off the screen as an aggressive, blunt "you'll do what I say" sort of woman; was a real surprise to me that's how she felt, so that Bethany went to the Wardens.

The only one I've never let die, if I can help it, is Carver, who I just love. And I've never sent Bethany to the Circle. So I can't speak to those circumstances as "yea" or "nay".

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Carver: Grey Wardens
Bethany: Grey Wardens

I like them both with the Grey Wardens. Carver finally matures and Bethany gets a hardened outlook on the world and I found it an interesting arch. She goes from being protected to doing the protecting.

On the flip side, they get to die young and never propagate Hawke genes....

Wait a second...Ryzaki you're a genius!!

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Carver: Grey Wardens
Bethany: Grey Wardens

I like them both with the Grey Wardens. Carver finally matures and Bethany gets a hardened outlook on the world and I found it an interesting arch. She goes from being protected to doing the protecting.

On the flip side, they get to die young and never propagate Hawke genes....

Wait a second...Ryzaki you're a genius!!

 

You do know how to flatter a girl. <3 

And yes that's an unexpected bonus. If only there was some way to make Hawke a Warden too.  

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Carver: Grey Wardens
Bethany: Grey Wardens

I like them both with the Grey Wardens. Carver finally matures and Bethany gets a hardened outlook on the world and I found it an interesting arch. She goes from being protected to doing the protecting.

On the flip side, they get to die young and never propagate Hawke genes....

Wait a second...Ryzaki you're a genius!!

I think Bethany got all of the smart genes, so wouldn't we want her to propagate?

[TheAwesomologist]

Carver as a Grey Warden is far more satisfying. Pity you can't kill him if he's a Templar but you can kill Bethany if she's a circle mage...

Bethany I like fine as either a Circle Mage or Grey Warden. Of the siblings she's my favorite. The Circle Mage version adds a little drama to an ending that makes little sense... Grey Warden Bethany is really interesting though. I actually wanted more scenes and action with both Grey Warden siblings.

While the sibling dying in the Deep Roads is dramatic you just end up missing out on story content. The few times your sibling's death is brought up isn't worth missing out on the content if they live.

Modifié par TheAwesomologist, 01 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd say Circle mage for Bethany if it wasn't so ridiculous that Hawke doesn't do anything to stop two templars when he's finished fighting a myraid of Profane antagonists, a Profane Abomination, and an Ancient Rockwraith. The man has the Murder Knife that can cut through templar armor, we have seen it in action against Wesley!

I'd say Grey Warden for Carver. He's part of something greater than himself, he comes to terms with Hawke, and he quotes the oath...

Lob she gave herself up of her own volition and doesn't want Hawke to rescue her. All their life they had been running to protect her and she didn't like that. Her status as a mage was what kept them from living a normal life (well that and the Chantry is run by a bunch of pricks), and she says in dialogue a few times how she disliked that.

Hawke is respecting her decision, even though he disagrees with her being taken away. She asks him not to start anything.

It's not a matter of brute force, it's a matter of do you value your sister and what she asks of you?

What do you think would happen if two templars died when they were sent to recover an apostate mage? The family would have to move again (something they didn't want to do when you arrived), which would mean the expedition would've been pointless. All the gold in Thedas wouldn't make the Templars allow Hawke to live there. They'd pursue him and Bethany believing she's a dangerous apostate because two Templars died.


Back to the topic, I like Carver as a Warden and Bethany as both a Circle Mage or a Warden.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 juin 2011 - 05:26 .

[andraip]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Carver: Grey Warden

Bethany: Circle mage

This

[TheAwesomologist]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd say Circle mage for Bethany if it wasn't so ridiculous that Hawke doesn't do anything to stop two templars when he's finished fighting a myraid of Profane antagonists, a Profane Abomination, and an Ancient Rockwraith. The man has the Murder Knife that can cut through templar armor, we have seen it in action against Wesley!

I'd say Grey Warden for Carver. He's part of something greater than himself, he comes to terms with Hawke, and he quotes the oath...

Lob she gave herself up of her own volition and doesn't want Hawke to rescue her. All their life they had been running to protect her and she didn't like that. Her status as a mage was what kept them from living a normal life (well that and the Chantry is run by a bunch of pricks), and she says in dialogue a few times how she disliked that.

Hawke is respecting her decision, even though he disagrees with her being taken away. She asks him not to start anything.

It's not a matter of brute force, it's a matter of do you value your sister and what she asks of you?

What do you think would happen if two templars died when they were sent to recover an apostate mage? The family would have to move again (something they didn't want to do when you arrived), which would mean the expedition would've been pointless. All the gold in Thedas wouldn't make the Templars allow Hawke to live there. They'd pursue him and Bethany believing she's a dangerous apostate because two Templars died.


Back to the topic, I like Carver as a Warden and Bethany as both a Circle Mage or a Warden.

While I agree with this assesment of the scene where Bethany turns herself in, I still wanted to press an Awesome button and kick the crap out of Cullen and every Templar in that room. Cosidering I had just moments before (game play wise) taken out the ARW with ease, a few templars would be no match. With Varric and Isabella as friends I'm sure we could hide the bodies...
Saddly thats not a choice. However that scene is one of the reasons why I gravitate towards GW Bethany, not because I'm sad to see bethany dragged off to what amounts to prison, but because there is litterally nothing that can be done about it. At least with GW Bethany you're taking an active role in saving her life.

[AquamanOS]

Being a Warden Mage is probably one of the best outcomes of being a mage. The Templars can't touch you and if you become powerful like Avernus you can stave off the taint for awhile.

Unless you have authority issues like Anders it's probably the best thing out of being in the Circle or running from Templars your whole life.

[CalJones]

Bethany certainly seems happier as a Circle mage. Being imprisoned is harsh but she finds a purpose there. And of course, with the rebellion, she can escape with you anyway.

Carver finds purpose in both the Wardens and as a Templar but he seems less angry with Hawke as a warden. He will, at least, join your party at the end, unlike the templar version (though at least he refuses to kill you and joins Cullen to fight Meredith).

From a purely personal perspective, since I tend to play gay male Hawkes it's nice having a brother or sister who isn't rendered (semi-) infertile by the taint to carry on the family name.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lob she gave herself up of her own volition and doesn't want Hawke to rescue her. All their life they had been running to protect her and she didn't like that. Her status as a mage was what kept them from living a normal life (well that and the Chantry is run by a bunch of pricks), and she says in dialogue a few times how she disliked that.

It doesn't matter to me whether she willingly gave herself up or was discovered and arrested; I don't care if the Maker himself came to Thedas and demanded Bethany to be turned over, it's ridiculous that Hawke is going to do nothing when his little sister is going to be taken away to the same place where a Harrowed mage was illegally made tranquil. I wouldn't let my apostate sister get arrested by an oppressive regime that I know has broken the law in regards to mages, I'd get out of Kirkwall.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hawke is respecting her decision, even though he disagrees with her being taken away. She asks him not to start anything.

It's not a matter of brute force, it's a matter of do you value your sister and what she asks of you?

Bethany can hate Hawke while she's alive and with free will rather than turned into an emotionless puppet, which is precisely what Hawke risked by letting Cullen take her away.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

What do you think would happen if two templars died when they were sent to recover an apostate mage?

Bethany would be alive and outside the grasp of an authority that has previously made a Harrowed mage tranquil.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The family would have to move again (something they didn't want to do when you arrived), which would mean the expedition would've been pointless.

And Bethany wouldn't be in danger of Ser Alrik, Ser Kerras, and the templars like them in the Kirkwall Circle.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

All the gold in Thedas wouldn't make the Templars allow Hawke to live there. They'd pursue him and Bethany believing she's a dangerous apostate because two Templars died.

People die in Kirkwall all the time, like the templars killed by Hawke in "Midnight Meeting." And I wish Hawke could leave Kirkwall sooner rather than later.

[CalJones]

True enough, you'd think Anders could find a way to get her out. She even mentions Ser Alrik in a letter to Hawke. But then this game is not big on choices that actually matter.