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[savaged49]

iTryHard wrote...

I also agree that they should release the Collector's Armor, Collector's Assault Rifle, Terminus Armor, and the Blackstorm weapon, some people didn't preorder at Gamestop or get the Ultimate Edition... *cough* *cough* Who me? Heck no!

Personally I think the collecters armor is ok as the well bonus for the collecters edition, but thats kinda destroyed when you get it on the ps3 for well free

I just wish Bioware would atleast tell us why we cant have nice things for everyone

[vV THE BOYZ Vv]

In my honest opinion i don't think this is fair for the PC/360 users. I was just introduced to ME2, I played the demo when it was put on XBL, and i didn't like it. Then last month sometime my friend let me borrow it, i was amazed, so i proceeded to buy all of the DLC, and tonight i found out PS3 users have access to the pre-order and CE bonuses that we cant get anymore for 8 bucks. Whoever has this stuff already think how much you spent for it 80 for CE, plus the wait for however long you had it pre-ordered, plus the amount you paid for the Equalizer, Aegis, Firepower. and Alternate Appearance Packs. It adds up to 88 dollars+wait time. Its not right that we have to pay 11x the amount they do.

[Crysis44]

True.

Purchased the Collector's edition purely out of the fact that it had collectors armor. I already had one before, but in all honesty, it did not come with it. It said it was used, and had a unused code, but i found no such paper. Im just not trying anymore.

Guess they win.

[EightDeer]

I contacted EA Customer Support about obtaining the Terminus DLC and/or the N7 Bundle, here's what they said:

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting back at Electronic Arts.

I
understand your concern (Release of 'Terminus Weapon and Armor DLC'
and/or the N7 Complete Arsenal Bundle for Mass Effect 2 PC) and suggest
to post your thread at game forum.

Here is the related topic forum link:
http://social.biowar...index/7511807/1

If
you have already posted your problem on forum of the game, I request
you to please wait for some time till your issue has been addressed by
game developers. Rest assured that once you posted your query on the
forum, it will definitely addressed by Dice members.

If there is
anything else, we may assist you with, please contact us again. For any
further questions or concern, you may visit our extensive knowledge base
online at http://support.ea.com.

Regards,

Anjani
Electronic Arts - World Wide Customer Experience

So yeah, I was told to post here and wait for a dev response.

Modifié par EightDeer, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:22 .

[Taciter]

Me too.. have ALL the items execpt the terminus armour but I'd willingly pay the extra for it... if the PS lobby can strongarm Bioware's marketing department then why can't we?

[Nizzemancer]

If you sign up for PS Network and buy the dlc's there wouldn't that give you the dlc for PC and Xbox as well? I mean I bought DA:O on PC but got my ME games on Xbox360 and I could still get the Dragon Armor for ME2.

edit: Have everything except Dr. Pepper exclusive promo items (because europeans are second class fans) and Collector armor+rifle because I thought it looked stupid at the time.

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[mredders91]

would be nice but highly unlike but then again bethesda are doing something simlar with fallout new vegas on the 27th september there said to be releasing a dlc with on the items that were in the special editions

maybe we get lucky and bioware do the same

Modifié par mredders91, 10 septembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[didymos1120]

Nizzemancer wrote...

If you sign up for PS Network and buy the dlc's there wouldn't that give you the dlc for PC and Xbox as well?

Nope.  The PSN stuff is treated entirely separately.

[savaged49]

EightDeer wrote...

I contacted EA Customer Support about obtaining the Terminus DLC and/or the N7 Bundle, here's what they said:

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting back at Electronic Arts.

I
understand your concern (Release of 'Terminus Weapon and Armor DLC'
and/or the N7 Complete Arsenal Bundle for Mass Effect 2 PC) and suggest
to post your thread at game forum.

Here is the related topic forum link:
http://social.biowar...index/7511807/1

If
you have already posted your problem on forum of the game, I request
you to please wait for some time till your issue has been addressed by
game developers. Rest assured that once you posted your query on the
forum, it will definitely addressed by Dice members.

If there is
anything else, we may assist you with, please contact us again. For any
further questions or concern, you may visit our extensive knowledge base
online at http://support.ea.com.

Regards,

Anjani
Electronic Arts - World Wide Customer Experience

So yeah, I was told to post here and wait for a dev response.

Well how nice of them, although i sincerely doubt bioware devs will even ever look at this forums because this thing has been here for quite some time. I think they just dont want to say that they can not and not risk angering the community that or are waiting for a certain opportunity who knows...

[CaolIla]

EightDeer wrote...

Rest assured that once you posted your query on the 
forum, it will definitely addressed by Dice members.

Well not as good as Eidos support adressing everyone as "Paul" but still nice to see that EA gets lazy too ^^

Modifié par CaolIla, 12 septembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[savaged49]

and still no word!

[Taciter]

savaged49 wrote...

and still no word!

Given that a quick search in ME's forums under 'Terminus' will yield a vast list of threads in which this contencious issue is the main topic of dissent before the search engine goes belly up and seeing as none of those threads carry the official Bioware tag, I think it's safe to assume that Bioware/EA have deemed this topic too sensitive to justify the risk of obligating themselves to a commital statement.

In a recent thread on this very issue, I posited as I'm sure many others have, that EA is hamstrung by contractual mandates to third-party affiliates who have expressed a desire to retain 'exclusivity' on the basis that there is clearly still a demand for the aforementioned content. I'm sure that neither 'The Playstation Network' nor 'Dr.Pepper' (for the tactical recon pack) are subject to a guilty conscience despite the growing sense of injstice we all share.

Conversely, EA aren't known for passing up commercial opportunities for the sake of convenience or political expediency - if there is a demand, I'm sure they'll milk it. Perhaps when the Dr.Pepper promotion is over in Jan and PS3 users have had sufficient gloating time, we'll see the last remaining ME2 DLC's being published for purchase the Cerberus Network.

My guess though (and bare in mind that this is pure supposition), is that we'll see some sort of 'ME Collector's Edition' trilogy boxset with all the associated DLC's packaged as standard. That model has certainly worked for the film industry who recognise that obsessives (such as myself) lack sufficient willpower to reject such manipulative marketing ploy.

[SuperNova42]

Like EightDeer, I also sent a message to EA regarding the release of outstaning dlc to 360 and PC users. I sent the following message to EA customer support:

[START]

This is a query regarding the availability of the Terminus armour, Blackstorm heavy weapon and the Dr Pepper promotional items for Mass Effect 2.

I would like to know whether there are any plans by either EA or BioWare to ever release those items for purchase to Xbox 360 and PC users via the Cerberus Network.

I understand the Terminus gear was made available to players in the U.S. who pre-ordered the game via Gamestop, however, I do not live in the U.S., nor did I have the opportunity to gain the items via a pre-order at an appropriate retailer in my home country. After the announcement of Mass Effect 2's release for PlayStation 3, the Terminus gear was made available as a free download for one month before becoming priced downloadable content. It has never since been placed on the Cerberus Network for either Xbox 360 or PC users to purchase. In addition, neither BioWare nor Electronic Arts have ever come out to fully dismiss the possibility that it will be made available.

Similarly, the Dr Pepper promotional items have largely been made exclusively available to Xbox 360 and PC users in the U.S. However, the items have been included in the Recon Operations Pack on the PlayStation Network, downloadable content unavailable to Xbox 360 and PC users on the Cerberus Network.

Despite airing these concerns on the official BioWare forums, no-one from the development studio has come out to address them. There is great demand for these items and I refer you to the following threads on the BioWare forums to confirm this:

http://social.biowar...3/index/8341326

http://social.biowar...3/index/8285664

http://social.biowar...8310/71#8416477

http://social.biowar...7/index/7858040

http://social.biowar...3/index/7008970

http://social.biowar...3/index/5802888

Xbox 360 and PC users interested in buying the items have been forced to resort to buying codes via eBay for exorbitant prices, sometimes in excess of hundreds of dollars. It should be said that many refuse to obtain the items via illegitimate means such as torrents, myself included as I wish to support BioWare.

I sincerely hope anyone at EA could provide new insight into this matter as I, along with many other posters on the BioWare forums, have no other means to make our concerns heard.

Thank you for your time

[END]

It's a long shot but it's better than doing nothing. They say they'll respond within 24 hours, I'll post their response once I get it.

Modifié par SuperNova42, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Taciter]

Nice job Nova, nice to see you're still fighting the good fight! =P

I'll be interested to read what response, if any, they have lined up - their assortment of pre-scripted templates must be colossal by now, my money's on 'please feel free to address our forums'.

Oh well, as long as they don't sue us for harassement or libel, I'm sure we can flog this dead horse 'till our state pensions mature and we can coordinate a 'geriatrics Mass Effect 2 DLC liberation society' fear campaign to victimise EA board members into capitulation!

Modifié par Taciter, 04 octobre 2011 - 05:55 .

[shepskisaac]

Dr. Pepper promotion ends on December 31st. Most likely it means exclusivity ends then as well so maybe they'll be able to release N7 Bundle Pack for PC & X360 after that?

Anyway, honestly, unless someone PMs one of the BioWare devs and links them here I doubt this thread will get a response on its own.

[SuperNova42]

Not going down without a fight on this one, Taciter I made sure I mentioned that I've already posted requests on the forum to make sure they don't back out by doing what they did with EightDeer. Honestly, I don't expect more than some marketing-spin-speak but I thought it'd be better to try than just post another request here. Pretty sure these old threads aren't high priority for BW right now anyway.

[d1sciple]

you'll never get an answer here, this has been re-threaded since ME2 was released. maybe tweeting the devs will get you a bit further but i wouldn't hold my breath.

the whole PSN having exclusives thing is to create a new base of fans as the PS3 release was not only later than the xbox release but ME2 was the first, so not only are they trying to introduce a huge new bunch of fans to the game series, they're doing it halfway through the trilogy! so the free DLC and add on etc. are all just to try and win over this new market of potential fans.

they don't need to try and keep the rest happy as we already are, most of us began with ME1 like 4 years ago so we're guaranteed, they don't need to offer us specials to keep us as fans, hence they won't.

also from another angle, this could be a can of worms for them. imagine if they offered all the DLC for ME2 free for PC users after ME3 is released, you know how many people would be killed over that? i for one would want blood as i've brought most of the DLC. even if there was to ba a special bundle on sale i'd be pissed and so would everyone else who already has the stuff. so when looked at like that the potential for a DLC pack/special/release has the possible potential to turn current fans away, and we're their bread and butter.

this is a business, like it or not Bioware need to make money and so do EA, so these guys have whole teams of egg heads out the back doing numbers, making projections, trying to balance potential etc. that said it hasn't been addressed by the devs so far, i can't see it coming anytime soon.

[Taciter]

Heya Disciple,

Sorry to fragment your post but years of alchohol abuse and banging my head against a keyboard has precipitated the onset of premature senility so...

d1sciple wrote...
you'll never get an answer here, this has been re-threaded since ME2 was released. maybe tweeting the devs will get you a bit further but i wouldn't hold my breath.

I think most of us have long since resigned ourselves to the absence of any official feedback but there's nothing quite as satisfying as fraternal solidarity - no matter how futile the cause.

d1sciple wrote...
the whole PSN having exclusives thing is to create a new base of fans as the PS3 release was not only later than the xbox release but ME2 was the first, so not only are they trying to introduce a huge new bunch of fans to the game series, they're doing it halfway through the trilogy! so the free DLC and add on etc. are all just to try and win over this new market of potential fans.

And clearly it's working so kudos to the bean-counters at Sony and EA, however, I suspect the game would still have been a notable commercial success irrespective of the DLC's - it is a game quite apart from any others of it's genre. It's worth noting that the franchise may well extend beyond a trilogy, in which case that 'halfway through' becomes increasingly subjective. The 'we never got ME1' argument just sounds like a convenient justification to me, akin to the fat man coming late to the party and eating all the pies. In any case, the issue of playstation 3 owners being offered the full complement of ME2 DLC's is an irrelevance as far as I'm concerned, I'm glad they got to experience the game in it's entirely - I just wish EA had seen fit to share that good fortune with the rest of us.

d1sciple wrote...
they don't need to try and keep the rest happy as we already are, most of us began with ME1 like 4 years ago so we're guaranteed, they don't need to offer us specials to keep us as fans, hence they won't.

...and it's that sort of compliant resignation that has contributed to the downfall of PC gaming Disciple, though I have noticed that you, conveniently, already have all the DLC's so this entire topic is really moot as far you're concerned. Wouldn't you concur that there is a certain degree of hypocricy in denying other's the opportunity to sample content that you so verbosely patronage?

d1sciple wrote...
also from another angle, this could be a can of worms for them. imagine if they offered all the DLC for ME2 free for PC users after ME3 is released, you know how many people would be killed over that? i for one would want blood as i've brought most of the DLC. even if there was to ba a special bundle on sale i'd be pissed and so would everyone else who already has the stuff. so when looked at like that the potential for a DLC pack/special/release has the possible potential to turn current fans away, and we're their bread and butter.

I think we must have got opposite ends of the stick here disciple, I don't think anyone was suggesting that EA should suddenly, in a munificent gesture of incalculable good will and charity, start raining down free DLC's on our poor, deprived and grubby little faces and I certainly don't want to be held responsible for all the ensuing murders. However, unlike you, there are some of us out there who haven't had the good furtune of procuring all available content - not because we were too cheap to front the cash, not because we were too idle to enquire as to their availability and not because we were too indifferent to care but simply because we've been denied the opportunity, an opportunity so willfully bestowed upon PS3 owners by virtue of merely being PS3 owners.

d1sciple wrote...
this is a business, like it or not Bioware need to make money and so do EA, so these guys have whole teams of egg heads out the back doing numbers, making projections, trying to balance potential etc. that said it hasn't been addressed by the devs so far, i can't see it coming anytime soon.

I don't think anyone could contradict that assessment Disciple, none of us are naiive enough to believe that EA's meteoric rise to success was due in any part to their commitment to consumer welfare. The problem with back-room hacks and bean-counters is that they rarely sample their own products. Some enlightened forum contributor posted an interesting observation a while ago - a short but revealing list of game titles and their respective publisher's which flopped as a result of chronically misjudging the sentiments of their prospective playerbase.

Modifié par Taciter, 05 octobre 2011 - 12:48 .

[d1sciple]

i think i should say in my defence what i've also said in quite a few other DLC related threads, and that's that i actually want them too. i want the opportunity to get whatever anyone else anywhere else has been offered and not being able to participate in the Dr Pepper bollox cos i'm in NZ is bull****. however pissed i am about that though i do understand some of the reasons why certain scenarios are not feasible, so i reluctantly just get on and deal with it.

also, there is hope for the future:

in another thread i mentioned the shakeup at the moment in regards to special content in multiplayer games and how it could possibly affect the whole system in the future.
i think it was COD or something similar that started it, but being a multiplayer game a huge amount of the millions of 12 year old boys that play it complained that any preorder or sister-sale(as in you buy this game from the same publisher and get a special in another game from the same publisher, ala dragon blood armour etc.) type special is unfair as it would give a few people an advantage in a supposedly even field multiplayer game.
now that sounds crazy, like just get over it kids but they've actually tried to argue on legality and the publishers are having to make changes in regards to this movement.
nothing legal has happened yet, but the risk of having the such a huge franchise absolutely raped in the media is too much, so they're changing it.

now that gives us hope for the totally bollox exclusives that alot of people miss out on, how much hope is debatable but things like UK Arkham 2 preorder customers only getting special suits etc. are getting big coverage at the moment and in a time when a viral video can crush your career i'm pretty hopeful.

what i'm really cynical about is this console rush, anyone else notice that any games previews are now almost primarily console based? and i'm talking right at the top, E3 and TGC etc. **** all publishers are showcasing PC releases on PC's, they're all going the easy way because understandably it's less hassle when you're at the worlds hugest conference.
now i think, and think about this yourselves, that this is because it's actually possible now. i mean, Sony is about to get Crysis, a game that almost no computer in the world let alone console could run when it was first released, so now we've got consoles that can almost match current average pc specs and traditionally PC publishers/Devs are now going holy **** our potential market has now just more than quadrupled as almost anything can be ported to PS3/Xbox.
that being the case us pc hardcore gamers are stuck watching little kids playing on little kids toys get all the good stuff while publishers go fishing for more consumers. sux ****, but in the case of ME2 we got it way before PS3, including the available DLC, it's all there apart from a couple of ridiculous specials. in fact it's probably a valid arguement that Genesis was built strictly for Sony as ME1 was never going to be ported and they needed to bridge the continuity with this new market.

the cherry on top is that forever, literally forever, PC's will always be at the top. no console will ever be able to match a high end rig and producers and devs know this. no matter how much they want this new market they will never stop porting or producing pc games because just like us they want to see and play the best.

Modifié par d1sciple, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:16 .

[Taciter]

Well now you see, Disciple, that's more like it - nice to see a bit of fight!

I object even more to complacent resignation than I do to being systematically undervalued by collective corporate indifference. I'm neither zealot nor martyr material but I do believe firmly in the principle that continually cowtowing to the will of others will eventually compromise all that you hold dear.

PC's have always been my ultimate preoccupation and PC gaming my passion. I've witnessed their evolution from clunky and primitive hair-dryers to streamlined and versatile supercomputers. As the technology became ever more sophisticated, so did the games and it was all the exclusive reserve of PC operators - not because they were ever prohibitively expensive but because they demanded time and effort to use and understand.

Like you, I'm becoming increasingly cynical of the of the gaming industry and its apparent obsession with the console market. Not because I think PC's are being unfairly overlooked but because I believe that games producers have unfairly misrepresented PC's and frequently misjudge PC users. Pirating for example, is often cited as a major contributing factor in more conspicuous examples of publisher console bias and yet, PC games sales still constitute a sizeable portion of gaming sector profit - hell, 'The Sims' sold 16 million copies.

I'm informed that console games are actually developed on desktop platforms before being compiled for their target console. As I understand it then, the ease with which these games could be developed for the PC should be considerably less time consuming than for other mediums. This leads me to conclude that console 'ports' are not so much charitable afterthoughts as vindictive statements designed to marginalise PC gamers and extol the virtues of console gaming. Mind you, my knowledge of the inner workings of a development house are, as you can see, very limited.

It makes sense though, consoles are disposable products with a limited shelf-life (compounded by the relentless pace of technology) and since consoles conform to a proprietary standard, they're also subject to the whims of a their respective proprietors. I've never been able to acknowledge the appeal of consoles and it grieves me that people can be so easily misled into subscribing to such an obvious pecuniary vehicle.

So, in short, I believe that if we want to break this perpetual cycle of platform bias, we need to speak out when things are blatantly unfair, we need to keep our communities alive and we need to be prepared to postpone or withdraw purchases where applicable - we may not be the largest gaming sector but we are signifact.

Modifié par Taciter, 05 octobre 2011 - 03:20 .

[d1sciple]

more than significant i think, the pc gaming sector is the true mainstay and not because i'm emotionally biased at all(i have a shrine built, literally, for my Silver ed. PS2 which i consider the greatest gaming platform of all time) but as you stated all games are developed using a workstation, which is basically a pc on steroids. though some specifics in development mean that some games are designed around a consoles predetermined structure and therefore hard or impossible(though nothing is actually impossible) to port to pc, these are only a small section of developers. in fact the only developers that scenario applies to are the strictly licensed publisher owned ones, like Sega for Sony etc. so with nothing to do with popularity or even more amazingly, money, pc gaming will always be the sought after platform for most devs.

the thing with console gaming is the ease of publishers to deal with the fickle nature of the general public. with a pc series the dev is hoping that you love the franchise enough to upgrade your pc for the next instalment, but console devs have nothing similar to worry about so instead of trying hard to build a quality series and try hard to keep fans they can chuck anything on the market and with enough hype it makes a profit, if not the next game is unrelated to the first so who cares, so that pressure isn't there. though i'm not by any means suggesting that consoles are rubbish and the only games they have are rubbish the approach by a dev/publisher is completely different due to it's freedoms/restrictions over pc gaming.

Modifié par d1sciple, 05 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .

[SuperNova42]

Well it's been more than 24 hours and I haven't received a response from our friends at EA. I'd have thought they'd at least do the courtesy of sending a prefabricated reply, but I guess that was too much to hope for.

No matter, I've resigned myself to the fact that we PC/360 guys won't be seeing any further DLC support. I think it's a shame that so many of us are being deprived of obtaining more content solely on the basis of our preferred platforms. I'll be careful about getting DLC for this series in the future, I have no interest in jumping through hoops again.

[SuperNova42]

Just received a response from EA:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Electronic Arts.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us about your incident. Your concerns, feedback and troubles are important to us. Please note, customer feedback is greatly valuable to Electronic Arts. I have forwarded your comment to appropriate team.

Additionally, I would suggest you to post your suggestion to improve the game on the official forum so that the game developers can take a note of it and if possible they can make such changes in the game.

Official forum can be located at the link mentioned below:
http://forum.ea.com/...ist/374037.page

If there is anything else, please write back to us.

Regards,

Depinder
Electronic Arts - World Wide Customer Experience.

Modifié par SuperNova42, 07 octobre 2011 - 10:41 .

[Taciter]

hahaha... just as predicted... what do I win?

Nice try though Nova, at least we acknowledge the time and effort you spent pursuing the matter.

Modifié par Taciter, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:29 .

[Woodrow2021]

Okay I have an extra code for the terminus armor and blackstorm weapon, ill trade that for the code of the collectors armor. If you are up for that my gamertag (xbox 360) is Woodrow2021. Sorry guys the code is only for the Xbox 360.