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[Dormiglione]

In the end only time will tell us where does DA3 heads. The only thing that im sure is, that i wont preorder DA3 like i did with DA2. I will lean back, wait until its available, read a lot of reviews (User and Critics), read even through the spoiler sections and watch alot of Youtube user videos. Then i will decide if DA3 is a title that i like or not.

[LyndseyCousland]

When a post from a Bioware staff member begins to sound catty and/or sarcastic the whole 'lol the Internet is a bit silly' argument starts to wear thin. On one hand the touch of immaturity proves the point whilst in the other it seems to make any resulting point invalid.

Better to seem like robotic professionals than to sink to the level of those seeking to wound.

imho

[Elhanan]

Denizen89 wrote...

Something you fail to see with Final fantasy is that they actually cared for their fanbase for quite some time until recently. There is also a large amount of quality in the earlier titles such as VII, VIII, IX, and X. The amount of time they took on each one is staggering and their attention to what makes them classics in the first place. Plus they had a great understanding of their fans and did not try to simplify or go for the casual gamer. You are also failing to see the point of opinion of sequels and how a bad title can kill a franchise. DA 3 will be an entry in this series and of course the other two will be thrown in on comparison to the gamer. If they loved the first one but dispised the second I would not count on them buying the third just because of the name and the previous entry. It works that way in movies as well some of the time. But your also not wrong in saying DA3 will be judged on its merits by critics. In the end however it is the popular opinion that rules over the critical one and that a fanbase that has been wronged or pissed off will have fewer returns the longer it goes.

Bioware has proven their loyalty to their fanbase, while I have never played any FF game at all. I read of the occasional issues, and while I had friends that enjoyed them, they did not appeal to me, even with all that supposed care for quality.

I may be blinded by trust that has been earned, but some seem to have their eyes covered by bias.

[Elhanan]

LyndseyCousland wrote...

When a post from a Bioware staff member begins to sound catty and/or sarcastic the whole 'lol the Internet is a bit silly' argument starts to wear thin. On one hand the touch of immaturity proves the point whilst in the other it seems to make any resulting point invalid.

Better to seem like robotic professionals than to sink to the level of those seeking to wound.imho

And we would know of those lower lvls....

[topster88]

Elhanan wrote...

Bioware has proven their loyalty to their fanbase, while I have never played any FF game at all. I read of the occasional issues, and while I had friends that enjoyed them, they did not appeal to me, even with all that supposed care for quality.

I may be blinded by trust that has been earned, but some seem to have their eyes covered by bias.

Have they proven their loyalty in this case?

http://www.nowgamer....-dutys-audience

According to this, they cared more about getting CoD's fans' loyalty than maintaining ours. And it shows in this game.

Modifié par topster88, 04 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[LyndseyCousland]

Elhanan wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

When a post from a Bioware staff member begins to sound catty and/or sarcastic the whole 'lol the Internet is a bit silly' argument starts to wear thin. On one hand the touch of immaturity proves the point whilst in the other it seems to make any resulting point invalid.

Better to seem like robotic professionals than to sink to the level of those seeking to wound.imho

And we would know of those lower lvls....

HAI FAIVE!!11!1one

[Elhanan]

topster88 wrote...

[Have they proven their loyalty in this case?

http://www.nowgamer....-dutys-audience

According to this, they care more about getting CoD's fans' loyalty than maintaining ours. And it shows in this game.

Again, I do not carry a bias against reaching out to a wider market, nor call this disloyal to the current fans. Others seem to....

I do not see CoD/ FPS/ RTS/ consolde gamers as lesser players. Others appear to....

I do encourage caution in how to make that appeal, as to maintain the focus on the RPG, and not the other invited genre. Others like to make subjective and demanding rants over perceived sleights.

YMMV

[Momiji.mii]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A lot of people who were happy with the game stay out of these forums because of the overwhelming negativity in general and the impossibility to post without getting the threads derailed. Same is true for other places of online discussion, where you're as likely to be called a moron, "baby RPG player", n00b and "Bioware employee in disguise" (why that last thing would be bad thing is beyond me though) than to encounter balanced discussion when you talk about your love for DA2. I mostly discuss the game with my friends IRL.

So, to David and the rest: There's a whole bunch of us who love DA2 but rarely post here or elsewhere about it. We're not averse to even more change, but it's a relief to hear you guys stress the fact that you aren't looking to reset all the things you already changed for the better.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

topster88 wrote...

[Have they proven their loyalty in this case?

http://www.nowgamer....-dutys-audience

According to this, they care more about getting CoD's fans' loyalty than maintaining ours. And it shows in this game.

Again, I do not carry a bias against reaching out to a wider market, nor call this disloyal to the current fans. Others seem to....

I do not see CoD/ FPS/ RTS/ consolde gamers as lesser players. Others appear to....

I do encourage caution in how to make that appeal, as to maintain the focus on the RPG, and not the other invited genre. Others like to make subjective and demanding rants over perceived sleights.

YMMV

He didn't say that. He said Bioware while trying to tempt a crowd of gamers who play fps's hurt the fanbase. YOU may like it but so what a lot of people don't like it also.  

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

He didn't say that. He said Bioware while trying to tempt a crowd of gamers who play fps's hurt the fanbase. YOU may like it but so what a lot of people don't like it also.  

Yes, he did....

I leave for 7 hours and THIS is what happens to my topic???

Anyway, yeah, the idea that BW wants to attract the Blops crowd with this game is downright offensive.

BioWare, if you want to appeal to the Blops crowd? Make a f***ing FPS. God knows there aren't enough generic military FPSes out there. The typical Blops fans (sugar-addled 12-year-olds and drunk frat dudes) aren't interested in a swords and sorcery RPG. Period.

It would seem to be a poor company that was content with their static clients. Sure; maintain what is appealing for your current base, but exploring ways to increase your sales only make what seems to be good business sense.

[topster88]

Elhanan wrote...

Again, I do not carry a bias against
reaching out to a wider market, nor call this disloyal to the current
fans. Others seem to....

I do not see CoD/ FPS/ RTS/ consolde gamers as lesser players. Others appear to....

I
do encourage caution in how to make that appeal, as to maintain the
focus on the RPG, and not the other invited genre. Others like to make
subjective and demanding rants over perceived sleights.

YMMV

I don't think of FPS players as lesser. I like CoD games (sans WaW and MW2). It's because of that I know CoD and DA should not try to merge. As I stated earlier, if BioWare wants to appeal to the CoD audience, why would they attempt that with a classic-style RPG instead of, ya know, a shooter?

And "percieved sleights? Are you actively ignoring all the problems brought up in all these topics? Hell, even Gaider in this very thread said that he would agree they didn't spend as much time on this game as they should have. if you still refuse to believe all the problems with this game are only percieved, that's a level of delusion I can't fully comprehend.

Momiji.mii wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A lot of people who were happy with the game stay out of these forums because of the overwhelming negativity in general and the impossibility to post without getting the threads derailed. Same is true for other places of online discussion, where you're as likely to be called a moron, "baby RPG player", n00b and "Bioware employee in disguise" (why that last thing would be bad thing is beyond me though) than to encounter balanced discussion when you talk about your love for DA2. I mostly discuss the game with my friends IRL.

1. How do you know people who like the game stay out of online forums

2. If a comparable number of people who liked the game exist online, wouldn't the inverse of your theses be true and the people who don't like the game be discouraged to post further due to supporters of DA2 calling them out? Why then would a greater number of people who dislike the game remain?

3. Can you actually say that the positive changes to DA outweigh the negative ones? The lack of content is hugely noticeable compared to DA:O; further damning is the presence of first-day DLC of a new companion and all his quests that could have been included in the vanilla game to make the product less bare. Environments are shamelessly recycled, the main plot takes a backseat to side plots for the first two acts of the game, the combat is essentially hack & slash, equipping your companions is needlessly basic and restrictive, there are bugs galore, and for what? That now we have a voiced protagonist? That they implemented their beloved dialog wheel? I mean, maybe you DO care enough about the main character having a voice that you can overlook all those shortcomings, but I wouldn't presume this is the case. Mind you, I would never call Dragon Age 2 a bad game, but I will say that it's a disappointing one.

Modifié par topster88, 04 juin 2011 - 10:04 .

[Persephone]

Momiji.mii wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: A lot of people who were happy with the game stay out of these forums because of the overwhelming negativity in general and the impossibility to post without getting the threads derailed. Same is true for other places of online discussion, where you're as likely to be called a moron, "baby RPG player", n00b and "Bioware employee in disguise" (why that last thing would be bad thing is beyond me though) than to encounter balanced discussion when you talk about your love for DA2. I mostly discuss the game with my friends IRL.

So, to David and the rest: There's a whole bunch of us who love DA2 but rarely post here or elsewhere about it. We're not averse to even more change, but it's a relief to hear you guys stress the fact that you aren't looking to reset all the things you already changed for the better.

Well said. I know of several people who love the game (both in RL and online) who either do not bother with the forums or were chased away/bullied into silence....... People who enjoy the game are actually warned against coming here. Sad, really. 

[topster88]

Modifié par topster88, 04 juin 2011 - 10:01 .

[Elhanan]

topster88 wrote...

I don't think of FPS players as lesser. I like CoD games (sans WaW and MW2). It's because of that I know CoD and DA should not try to merge. As I stated earlier, if BioWare wants to appeal to the CoD audience, why would they attempt that with a classic-style RPG instead of, ya know, a shooter?

You seem to, as per your prior rant. And because they are making a RPG and wish to expand interest? Just a guess....

And "percieved sleights? Are you actively ignoring all the problems brought up in all these topics? Hell, even Gaider in this very thread said that he would agree they didn't spend as much time on this game as they should have. if you still refuse to believe all the problems with this game are only percieved, that's a level of delusion I can't fully comprehend.

See OP, and many like it thereafter.....

[Everwarden]

Persephone wrote...
 People who enjoy the game are actually warned against coming here. Sad, really. 

All four of you? 

[Elhanan]

Everwarden wrote...

Persephone wrote...
 People who enjoy the game are actually warned against coming here. Sad, really. 

All four of you? 

Should not restrict yourself to a personal best; try your thumb, other hand and feet for starters.

[topster88]

Elhanan wrote...

You seem to, as per your prior rant. And because they are making a RPG and wish to expand interest? Just a guess....

My prior rant about what; that 99% of the people I hear talking in online games are either drunk guys or little kids who just discovered swear words? I wan't engaging in hyperbole there, and few who play CoD Blops would disagree.

See OP, and many like it thereafter.....

That's not even a response to what I posted. Again, are you honestly saying the problems that are so commonly brought up are only just percieved?

[Everwarden]

Elhanan wrote...
Should not restrict yourself to a personal best; try your thumb, other hand and feet for starters.

I can't. I lost my thumbs in a tragic cotton candy incident. My feet, too.

[topster88]

Everwarden wrote...

Persephone wrote...
 People who enjoy the game are actually warned against coming here. Sad, really. 

All four of you? 

I loled

[Elhanan]

topster88 wrote...

My prior rant about what; that 99% of the people I hear talking in online games are either drunk guys or little kids who just discovered swear words? I wan't engaging in hyperbole there, and few who play CoD Blops would disagree.

That's not even a response to what I posted. Again, are you honestly saying the problems that are so commonly brought up are only just percieved?

Criticism is not a problem; opinionated rants are problems. Whining is a problem. Berating the game while advertising another on these forums is a problem.

[Elhanan]

Everwarden wrote...

I can't. I lost my thumbs in a tragic cotton candy incident. My feet, too.

Hitchhiking must be a bummer; de-feeted before you even begin....

[topster88]

Elhanan wrote...

Criticism is not a problem; opinionated
rants are problems. Whining is a problem. Berating the game while
advertising another on these forums is a problem.

Advertising another game? Where did that happen in this thread?

Anyway, thanks for admitting that all the problems weren't just percieved.

[Everwarden]

Elhanan wrote...
 Berating the game while advertising another on these forums is a problem.

Dragon Age 2 sucks. Buy New Vegas.

And donate to my 'replace my thumbs' fund, please. Thank you. 

[zsom]

Everwarden wrote...

I can't. I lost my thumbs in a tragic cotton candy incident. My feet, too.

Sure it wasn't some horrific trolling accident?

[Dormiglione]

Elhanan wrote...

topster88 wrote...

My prior rant about what; that 99% of the people I hear talking in online games are either drunk guys or little kids who just discovered swear words? I wan't engaging in hyperbole there, and few who play CoD Blops would disagree.

That's not even a response to what I posted. Again, are you honestly saying the problems that are so commonly brought up are only just percieved?

Criticism is not a problem; opinionated rants are problems. Whining is a problem. Berating the game while advertising another on these forums is a problem.

And fanboy reviews praising every bit are also a problem.

Modifié par Dormiglione, 04 juin 2011 - 11:11 .