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[TEWR]

Witch Hunt confirmed he exists if you or someone else did the deed.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 juin 2011 - 08:16 .

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ok, the friendship Anders would play out more or less like the way the game showed us, with some tweaking here and there.

First off, more of the Gallows would be explorable during the RoA so as to actually convey a sense of the RoA being shown. Mages would be killed by Templars in a cutscene, you can rescue kids from an Abomination or Templar (not sure which. Whichever sounds better.)

Second, Orsino has the potential to survive dependant on whether or not the other mages in that one fight survived. Which of course means the game needs to account for their lives.

Third, and very important. Meredith's sword doesn't sound like a fricking lightsaber. It's still made out of the red lyrium (something that would exist in the rival version), but it just doesn't make the unnecessary sounds.

As of now, it's a rough version of the friendship path. But considering friending Anders might mean you helped plant the bomb, it makes sense for it to go off.

 

From a Templar would probably be better. So Hawke can have a BDH moment. 

As for Orsino. I'd prefer it if Orsino died. But maybe as himself protecting the apprentices. (Maybe as a distraction. I read that somewhere on the forums and liked it but I can't remember the source.) 

And agreed on the lightsaber sword.  

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Note: OGB treatment isn't really a "good" thing.

It's a way of saying "ha ha here's this major choice you have to make but the results may never be mentioned again" sort of thing.

 

The kid is 10 years old at the end of DA2. 

What can be expected of him of that age? I'd feel it was far more ridiculous for Morrigan to turnup in Kirkwall or for someone to mention her and her baby when she's doing her best to stay hidden. 

The OGB could have been a much bigger plot element than it was, were it not variable. As is, we'll probably never hear anything about it again other than one or two throw-away lines, which I personally think is pretty disappointing.

I'd also like the destruction of the Chantry to not be something nobody ever mentions again, considering the potential it has.

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Have I mentioned how much sense you make, Ryzaki? And a drinking game in my honor?

Maybe it's not so wise. We'd all be dead within hours.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...
If he exists at all.

 
He does exist if you did the DR though. If you didn't he doesn't. 

Sure he can't play a major part (or if he does he has to be exchangeable with something else) but I don't see that as a flaw because it allows player choice. 

[Leonia]

I'm not talking about him existing or not, I'm stating what the "OGB Treatment" means. It's a non-canon treatment of what seems like a major decision. We're so off-topic it's not funny but I'm sure your little friend is about to chime in and say how amazing you are for your post all the same.

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...
The OGB could have been a much bigger plot element than it was, were it not variable. As is, we'll probably never hear anything about it again other than one or two throw-away lines, which I personally think is pretty disappointing.

I'd also like the destruction of the Chantry to not be something nobody ever mentions again, considering the potential it has.

I frankly am grateful the OGB wasn't forced on me. I don't find it disappointing at all. I would've felt otherwise if I couldn't choose not to let it happen. 

I frankly wouldn't care if its not mentioned again. It achieved its goal. I don't mind it mentioned in passing (like I believe the OGB will be) but it's already done with. 

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not talking about him existing or not, I'm stating what the "OGB Treatment" means. It's a non-canon treatment of what seems like a major decision. We're so off-topic it's not funny but I'm sure your little friend is about to chime in and say how amazing you are for your post all the same.

As for the OGB. We still don't know the outfall of it. It's only been 10 years. What did you expect the OGB to do? Explode the second it was out of Morrigan's womb? She told the Warden she was gonna raise it for something. She also went into hiding. It only makes sense that you have no clue what's going on until her plans come to fruition. But of course its much easier to simply say "see it doesn't matter!" when you have no way of knowing one way or the other.  Much easier than actually considering it might not be time for the OGB to come into play yet. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 08:25 .

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ok, the friendship Anders would play out more or less like the way the game showed us, with some tweaking here and there.

First off, more of the Gallows would be explorable during the RoA so as to actually convey a sense of the RoA being shown. Mages would be killed by Templars in a cutscene, you can rescue kids from an Abomination or Templar (not sure which. Whichever sounds better.)

Second, Orsino has the potential to survive dependant on whether or not the other mages in that one fight survived. Which of course means the game needs to account for their lives.

Third, and very important. Meredith's sword doesn't sound like a fricking lightsaber. It's still made out of the red lyrium (something that would exist in the rival version), but it just doesn't make the unnecessary sounds.

As of now, it's a rough version of the friendship path. But considering friending Anders might mean you helped plant the bomb, it makes sense for it to go off.

 

From a Templar would probably be better. So Hawke can have a BDH moment. 

As for Orsino. I'd prefer it if Orsino died. But maybe as himself protecting the apprentices. (Maybe as a distraction. I read that somewhere on the forums and liked it but I can't remember the source.) 

And agreed on the lightsaber sword.  

It might've been me. I remember posting different scenarios in the Siding with the Templars is fine thread that dealt with a better way the Harvester boss fight could've been handled.

[Leonia]

Ryzaki wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not talking about him existing or not, I'm stating what the "OGB Treatment" means. It's a non-canon treatment of what seems like a major decision. We're so off-topic it's not funny but I'm sure your little friend is about to chime in and say how amazing you are for your post all the same.

Was the last comment really necessary? I mean...was it? 

As for the OGB. We still don't know the outfall of it. It's only been 10 years. What did you expect the OGB to do? Explode the second it was out of Morrigan's womb? She told the Warden she was gonna raise it for something. She also went into hiding. It only makes sense that you have no clue what's going on until her plans come to fruition. 

I don't really want to rehash the OGB debate, it's non-canon, not everyone has it, why go into it? It's not at all the same situation as the Templar/Mage situation. I don't care what happened to the OGB in the last ten years, honestly, couldn't careless about threads from Origins that probably won't be addressed again. 

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...
The OGB could have been a much bigger plot element than it was, were it not variable. As is, we'll probably never hear anything about it again other than one or two throw-away lines, which I personally think is pretty disappointing.

I'd also like the destruction of the Chantry to not be something nobody ever mentions again, considering the potential it has.

I frankly am grateful the OGB wasn't forced on me. I don't find it disappointing at all. I would've felt otherwise if I couldn't choose not to let it happen. 

I frankly wouldn't care if its not mentioned again. It achieved its goal. I don't mind it mentioned in passing (like I believe the OGB will be) but it's already done with.

I would have rather they not included that option at all if they weren't going to be able to give it the treatment it deserves. There could have been some other way to avoid the Warden/Alistair/Loghain dying without having such implicitly far reaching affects as the OGB would, but because it's just one option it'll never be addressed with any depth.

How do you propose the OGB be relevant in future installments without US players being retconned?

[TEWR]

Easy way for this to be handled in future games.


someone says "After what happenened in Kirkwall...."


It's cheap I know, but you still have the satisfaction of what happened in your playthrough. Maybe also give a codex entry.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...
I don't really want to rehash the OGB debate, it's non-canon, not everyone has it, why go into it? It's not at all the same situation as the Templar/Mage situation. I don't care what happened to the OGB in the last ten years, honestly, couldn't careless about threads from Origins that probably won't be addressed again. 

 

And to be honest I could care less about the Chantry blowing up. The only thing I really care about is the mage/templar war and its fallout. 

/shrugs 

That's your perogative. I personally do want to see what Morrigan was plotting with that OGB and what Flemeth is up to. 

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...
I would have rather they not included that option at all if they weren't going to be able to give it the treatment it deserves. There could have been some other way to avoid the Warden/Alistair/Loghain dying without having such implicitly far reaching affects as the OGB would, but because it's just one option it'll never be addressed with any depth.

How do you propose the OGB be relevant in future installments without US players being retconned?

 

And we differ in that. I also disagree about the addressing with any depth issue. 

Me? I'm not sure (I don't do good with fanfic) but doubtlessly there are ways to do it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 08:31 .

[TEWR]

Morrigan raped Alistair and got pregnant.


when you refused the DR, she left and was too far away for your miserable, ungrateful life to be saved.


There you go

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Morrigan raped Alistair and got pregnant.


when you refused the DR, she left and was too far away for your miserable, ungrateful life to be saved.


There you go

 

Nah. The DR defintely didn't happen if the Warden died. 

However Morrigan can still have a child of strong magical ability that she grooms to be a symbol for some purpose. He's simply not a OGB if she didn't do the ritual. 

[Leonia]

Filament wrote...

The Orlesian did the Dark Ritual.

What a twist!

[ipgd]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Easy way for this to be handled in future games.


someone says "After what happenened in Kirkwall...."


It's cheap I know, but you still have the satisfaction of what happened in your playthrough. Maybe also give a codex entry.

I'd rather they leave themselves open to deal with the themes of terrorism that the destruction of the Chantry raises than relegating it to an afterthought.

Filament wrote...

The Orlesian did the Dark Ritual.

You don't think US players would feel cheated by that?

Ryzaki wrote...

However Morrigan can still have a child of
strong magical ability that she grooms to be a symbol for some purpose.
He's simply not a OGB if she didn't do the ritual. 

Then what's the significance of having an Old God child if any old kid can fill the role?

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...
Then what's the significance of having an Old God child if any old kid can fill the role?

 

Because a child raised and bred by Morrigan isn't any old kid?  

And again I didn't mean to suggest they'd be exactly the same. Maybe the war with the mages wins if there's an OGB because of his immense power maybe the mages lose if the child is a normal mage and then have to turn to something else. Or some such. 

They'd share a spot but the role would vary depending on if the child is OGB or a normal but powerful mage. 

Personally I find player choice more important than a static story. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 juin 2011 - 08:39 .

[ipgd]

Ryzaki wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Then what's the significance of having an Old God child if any old kid can fill the role?

 

Because a child raised and bred by Morrigan isn't any old kid?  

Certainly not an Old God, though.

There's no way for Bioware to win this. No matter what they do, some camp is going to be pissed off their choice didn't really change anything. Ignoring it is all they can do to hold back the floodgates of tears and ******.

[Leonia]

Maybe the kid doesn't care about the Mage-Templar conflict, I'm sure Morrigan doesn't care too much about it unless it furthers her personal goals (or Flemeth's). But since it could be a non-OGB kid, it would just be a generic apostate and nothing special so you can't tie any specialness to the character's storyline (without turning it into two totally different characters, doubling the resources to spend, etc.).

[Ryzaki]

ipgd wrote...
Certainly not an Old God, though.

There's no way for Bioware to win this. No matter what they do, some camp is going to be pissed off their choice didn't really change anything. Ignoring it is all they can do to hold back the floodgates of tears and ******.

 

We don't even know what's special about the OGB in the first place though. We know he has the soul of a OG but we have no clue what Morrigan wants it for. 

Then let them cry and ******. At least they'll have their choice recongnized in future installements. Better than not having a choice at all. 

[Wulfram]

The scenario in the original post makes the chantry even more the villain and the mages more the innocent victims. I don't think this is a good thing, and it certainly doesn't seem to fit the writers intention for the game.

[Ryzaki]

leonia42 wrote...

Maybe the kid doesn't care about the Mage-Templar conflict, I'm sure Morrigan doesn't care too much about it unless it furthers her personal goals (or Flemeth's). But since it could be a non-OGB kid, it would just be a generic apostate and nothing special so you can't tie any specialness to the character's storyline (without turning it into two totally different characters, doubling the resources to spend, etc.).

 

Why wouldn't the kid care about templars hunting him down?  

Morrigan to me doesn't care because there's not really a conflict in DAO. It's just the status quo and railing against that is against her self perservation instincts. (not to mention she just plain doesn't care about other people.) 

The kid would not be a generic apostate. The kid would be an apostate with knowledge of whatever Flemeth taught Morrigan which isn't basic info. He also would have Morrigan grooming him for something and I have little doubt Morrigan knows how to amplify magical power. 

You wouldn't really need to double the resources unless they were gonna have him at the forefront of the game. As background noise? 2x the resources might be little.