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[Paul Sedgmore]

MostSpartan 14 wrote...

BickDutt wrote...

MostSpartan 14 wrote...You're right, I don't know what it would be used for. I'm just speculating. But Bioware are the game developers here, not me. They're the ones who are gonna think of the brilliant Kinect innovation, not you or me. And for the record, I think the Kinect menu controls for the dashboard work perfectly fine. It's not necessarily as fast as using the controller (unless you're doing voice commands) but it still works. But like I said, it may not be used for menu navigation. Kinect can do a lot of things. It's Bioware who's going to think of a great way to use it.

Your naivete is pretty cute. You still think Bioware calls the shot on those kind of things?

What? You think this was EA's decision? Maybe it was. But do you think EA is gonna delay the game (if this is even the reason for the delay) and miss out on a holiday release AND invest money into adding Kinect features if it's something shoddy that doesn't even work well. Something that, in the end, won't garner any attention. You think they would put that much risk in to one of their biggest franchises for something that ends up not working well. That doesn't seem like to be a smart busniess move for EA.

Delaying until January makes good business sense because in the months comming up to Christmas there are a lot of games comming out including the new CoD which for the last two years has sold a LOT generally pushing sales of other games down.
Would EA add in Kinect if it doesn't improve the game? Yes if they think it would make them money, and why wouldn't they, Microsoft have made a lot of noise over the amount of Kinect units sold and now need to back it up with games so it wouldn't suprise me if Microsoft has given EA some sort of incentive to add Kinect support to games.

[PSRdirector]

More evidence that Bioware knows the hardcore will buy no matter what so they dont need to cater to them and will focus on the people who will buy it and never play it again. The best customers cause they are so easy to please!

[Terror_K]

What a disappointment. I thought BioWare would be above pandering to such casual fads as this. Then again, the amount of times I've said, "I thought BioWare would be/was above [something]" has come up an awful lot lately.

Like multiplayer, this is one of those things that when the game comes out it better be friggin' amazing and flawless without feeling like any aspect lacked polish, or I'll just be pointing at the Kinect support and saying, "you wasted your pointless time, effort and money here."

[Paul Sedgmore]

spiros9110 wrote...

If it is true, why would EA do this with such an established trilogy? They should be focusing on the series and not trying to implement a system that has yet to shown any progression towards the "hardcore" fan-base. I'm all for Kinect, but not with this type of game or series. Bioware could be making a new franchise or series, which would/could have this feature - either optional or mandatory, but they would rather risk upsetting a lot of fans and it would make the game seem "dumbed down" in my opinion.

Established franchises sell more, if they want to prove that Kinect works for "Hardcore" games it needs to be in a high grossing game so they can say "this Kinect game sold X amount look how well it is doing"

[Gatt9]

Haristo wrote...

Nuclear Pete wrote...

If it turns out to be true, why is this a bad thing?

dude, I'm repeating the same stuff since page 7 : Requests more RAM and Disk Space, makes dubbed down and unstable game.

Well,  the thing is,  if you don't have a kinect,  it can't request RAM.  Even if you do have one,  it has 64megs on board,  so that handles the frame buffers and translation.  From there it's just CPU cycles and a tiny amount of memory associated with input processing,  which you'd be using anyways for processing controller input.

As far as disk space goes,  I've one of the early X-boxes with a 16 gigabyte HD,  and I have gigabytes free,  especially since I can offload anything I want to a flashdrive if I need space.

Now I can't comment on whether or not it'll be dumbed down,  though Bioware's recent track record is pretty bad at the moment,  So I wouldn't be shocked if it were.

As far as stability goes,  again,  if you don't have one it's not an issue.  Even if you do have one,  it's just sending input data to the console like a controller would,  has no effect on stability any more than a controller does.

Which,  TBH,  Bioware's got a very good stability track record.  In contrast to Bethseda,  who can't release a bug-free game to save their lives.

Edit:

Almost forgot,  X-box has 3 cores,  and I'll guarantee you that ME isn't using them all,  mainly because ME2's AI would be *really* embarassing if it were that bad and had a core all to itself.  There's plenty of free processing power.

Modifié par Gatt9, 02 juin 2011 - 03:34 .

[BickDutt]

I don't know why people keep throwing Bioware's name around like they have any say in the matter. They're just doing what they're told to do now, that happened when they were bought by EA 4 years ago. Sure, they have some leeway in the "how" they design their games, but they get their cues from the exec at EA. This really shouldn't come at a surprise. "Bioware" AS IS doesn't exist anymore, it's just a name, like Dasani water for Coca-Cola or something.

[jamskinner]

Haristo wrote...

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

Guys it says ´´better with kinect sensor´´ meaning its entrely optional.

it still requests spare RAM and disk space, therefore it makes the game dubbed down.

I don't think that word means what you think it does. You might want to
look it up in a dictionary.

[Haristo]

jamskinner wrote...

Haristo wrote...

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

Guys it says ´´better with kinect sensor´´ meaning its entrely optional.

it still requests spare RAM and disk space, therefore it makes the game dubbed down.

I don't think that word means what you think it does. You might want to
look it up in a dictionary.

I poorly translated something somewhere... it makes the game an Inferiour version.

[tishyw]

Well, if it's true it does seems to be a particularly idiotic thing to add to the final part of a trilogy

If they are adding Kinect functionality to ME3 then I'll pretty much forget about pre-ordering it, I'm a pc player and the non-kinect console ports are bad enough, but a Kinect one?  Can you imagine the problems it will cause.

I'll wait and read some of the pc reviews before buying the game.

[Shifty Assassin]

ohhh god.......better start saving for a kinect now....

[ImmortalArbiter]

Regardless of its impact on the game from a technical standpoint, and my extreme annoyance that there could be Kinect achievements, you also have to realize that each game has a budget. Kinect features eat away at some of that money, that could have been used elsewhere to make the game better.

[Anchor654]

I think using the Kinect is a great idea, if it is indeed a true rumor. I posted a while back in a galaxy map feedback thread that the motion control technology could be used to great affect. I was thinking something along the lines of how the touch screen of the Iphone, for example, is used when navigating google maps or the app star walk, but translated into 3-dimensional arm and hand movement.

This is where I see possibly a map akin to the 2006 demo working. A regular controller is of course used for everything else in the game (combat, movement, etc), but when entering the galaxy map, the player can just set the controller down on his/her lap and literally actively explore the universe with their hands.

I've seen where it's been said that the new melee attacks could be controlled this way also. There's many other areas where Bioware could implement the technology and make an already industry changing trilogy even more impacting.

Why would anyone be opposed to Bioware implimenting the Kinect's technology anyway? It's another feature that Bioware would add (if true). They wouldn't be taking anything away from the game.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Why are fanboys having such a fit over this?  Anything Kinect related will be minor and half-assed in relation to gameplay with the controller or with the kb/m.  Not only that, the function will be optional, so it wouldn't impact anyone on the board.

[NYG1991]

I actually think the cover looks pretty good. Take out the Kinect part and it's perfect. Also, wouldn't they Aldo have to do something for playstation move?

[Clonedzero]

Anchor654 wrote...

I think using the Kinect is a great idea, if it is indeed a true rumor. I posted a while back in a galaxy map feedback thread that the motion control technology could be used to great affect. I was thinking something along the lines of how the touch screen of the Iphone, for example, is used when navigating google maps or the app star walk, but translated into 3-dimensional arm and hand movement.

This is where I see possibly a map akin to the 2006 demo working. A regular controller is of course used for everything else in the game (combat, movement, etc), but when entering the galaxy map, the player can just set the controller down on his/her lap and literally actively explore the universe with their hands.

I've seen where it's been said that the new melee attacks could be controlled this way also. There's many other areas where Bioware could implement the technology and make an already industry changing trilogy even more impacting.

Why would anyone be opposed to Bioware implimenting the Kinect's technology anyway? It's another feature that Bioware would add (if true). They wouldn't be taking anything away from the game.

why do people keep saying "why would anyone be against it" without actually reading peoples very valid reasons for being against it?

the kinect is a cheaply made piece of hardware the leaches resources off of the console itself. thus making the console have less resources to actually run the game itself, thus the game has to be of less quality to be able to be run.

also. the kinect sounds great in concept. but ive never EVER seen a kinect menu or anything that seems like i'd want to use it. it will always be easier to navigate a menu or map with a controller than a kinect thing.

unless kinect comes out with some revolutionary new firmware its not really going to be fun at all to use.

[NYG1991]

Personally wouldn't mind an ME Kinect title where the motion controls work with biotics, but would prefer they didn't put it in ME 3

[Catsith]

I think this could be cool. I can't think of that many real games for the core gamer on Kinect coming out.. and they already said ME3 will have no multiplayer and be around the same length as ME2 (40 hours) so I could care less what other platforms they bring the game to. I can't imagine how they would implement it though.. but I know I would certainly enjoy manipulating the galaxy map with my hands or punching the reporter with my fist..

[leesiulung]

I find it hilarious that people are so upset over an OPTIONAL FEATURE! Yes, optional feature, let alone the fact that we know nothing for sure, yet people proclaim KNOWING:

- the game will be dumbed down for casuals
- the game's visual will suffer as a result of Kinect system resource demands
- Kinect is pointless because they couldn't think of any real use for it
- it favors the Xbox 360 owners (nevermind the game was an exclusive and then Bioware pro-claimed the PS3 version to be the definite)
- the game release delay is because of Kinect

I mean can you really throw anything else into the mix? All based on rumors and speculation. The funniest thing is IT IS OPTIONAL. People is complaining because they are getting MORE features, they would actually want less.

Let me repeat that if you missed it, IT IS OPTIONAL!!! You get MORE FEATURES at no extra charge!!!

Modifié par leesiulung, 02 juin 2011 - 04:21 .

[vader da slayer]

what I think is funny is the people going ape feces over this. if you don't want the kinect to draw resources DISCONNECT IT THEN. it can't call for ram if it isn't there to call for it. people who are saying (and I've noticed a couple) that it will still try to allocate ram if you don't have a kinect sensor attached is like trying to say you can complete a circuit that is open.

and what does it matter about disk space? controler scripts are so small (and I doubt motion control scripts are really much different in terms of size on disk) its a non issue (that people are trying REALLY hard to make one). you are basicly saying that the next big FPS to come out will have drasticly reduced gameplay because it will include 4 more controller layouts....

basicly all the complaints that people are having are 1) easily rectified and 2) a non issue to begin with.

also don't know if it was ever actually up there but I just went to the EA store (not through that link) and saw

not the cover of the May issue of GameInformer with a Kinect sensor compatible game pasted around it.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 02 juin 2011 - 04:13 .

[Battlepope190]

Such a huge shame if true...

[kshocker]

Yes, they changed the photo. From the speculation I've read the game will feature Kinect during cut scenes to offer more of an immersion factor. Imagine literally giving someone the boot, that'd be cool.

Time will tell, I'm waiting until an official announcement one way or the other.

[Gabey5]

its optional

[Clonedzero]

leesiulung wrote...

I find it hilarious that people are so upset over an OPTIONAL FEATURE! Yes, optional feature, let alone the fact that we know nothing for sure, yet people proclaim KNOWING:

- the game will be dumbed down for casuals
- the game's visual will suffer as a result of Kinect system resource demands
- Kinect is pointless because they couldn't think of any real use for it
- it favors the Xbox 360 owners (nevermind the game was an exclusive and then Bioware pro-claimed the PS3 version to be the definite)
- the game release delay is because of Kinect

I mean can you really throw anything else into the mix? All based on rumors and speculation. The funniest thing is IT IS OPTIONAL.

Let me repeat that if you missed it, IT IS OPTIONAL!!!

we dont care that its optional or not. we care the development time is being wasted on gimmicky useless crap.
we care that kinect support can and probably will effect the games preformance and stability.
we care that kinect development is fairly expensive and thus a large chunk of the budget will have been used on this pointless thing.

i want ME3 to be a quality game, im sorry that you dont.

if they wasted tons of resources adding in multiplayer and thus made the game shorter and had signifcantly less content would yous till say "hey its optional so its ok" ?

dont be ignorant.

[Terror_K]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Why are fanboys having such a fit over this?  Anything Kinect related will be minor and half-assed in relation to gameplay with the controller or with the kb/m.  Not only that, the function will be optional, so it wouldn't impact anyone on the board.

Again, because it could be time, effort, money and resources better put somewhere else. If having Kinect means that we just get a bunch of emails in ME3 again instead of actual consequences, or miss out on extra squad banter or more involved sidequests because they put a focus on silly motion control crap instead of things that will actually add to the game and the gameplay, then it'll be a waste.

[The-Person]

Terror_K wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Why are fanboys having such a fit over this?  Anything Kinect related will be minor and half-assed in relation to gameplay with the controller or with the kb/m.  Not only that, the function will be optional, so it wouldn't impact anyone on the board.

Again, because it could be time, effort, money and resources better put somewhere else. If having Kinect means that we just get a bunch of emails in ME3 again instead of actual consequences, or miss out on extra squad banter or more involved sidequests because they put a focus on silly motion control crap instead of things that will actually add to the game and the gameplay, then it'll be a waste.

There is no evidence what so ever that the kinect option will have any effect on anything else. You are speculating out of nothing.