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[Smilietime]

I mean, I understand Haptic adaptive Interfaces. And omni-tools make sense; the orange light is just an interface.

But how can you attack someone with just plain light (that's not a beam weapon?)

Mass Effect is pretty hard science fiction (possibly making an exception for thermal clips). Exotic matter (Ezzo) can do a lot of things. But, in Mass Effect 3, we're using Omni-tools as weapons... Light does not work that way...

http://tvtropes.org/...ain.PhysicsGoof

http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/HardLight

Modifié par Smilietime, 01 juin 2011 - 11:00 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Um..... Lightsabers.

Problem?

[marshalleck]

Don't bother. It's no longer science fiction; as in fiction grounded in science. It's now comic book Star Warsy space-fantasy crap.

Modifié par marshalleck, 01 juin 2011 - 11:04 .

[Parah_Salin]

You haven't see the power yet. Anywho I suspect it isn't about whacking somone with a holographic wrench, it's probably about directing loads of electricity, heat, or mass effect fields into somone at very close range.

And you can direct electricity with light

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Electrolaser

[Cheesy Blue]

marshalleck wrote...

Don't bother. It's no longer science fiction; as in fiction grounded in science. It's now comic book Star Warsy space-fantasy crap.

What a charming guy! Always looking on the bright side of things!

[marshalleck]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Don't bother. It's no longer science fiction; as in fiction grounded in science. It's now comic book Star Warsy space-fantasy crap.

What a charming guy! Always looking on the bright side of things!

What can I say. Having been a Bioware fan for the better part of a decade has left me jaded. 

Do you see what you've done to me, Bioware!? 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Are you talking about the drones? I don't get it either, but it looks kinda cool and gives you something to shoot at.

[sympathy4saren]

The term plain light is subjective.

Earth's main source of light it....the Sun. Using plasma from a star would be sweet. And in Mass Effect, way better than in Metroid Prime

[Parah_Salin]

ReconTeam wrote...

Are you talking about the drones? I don't get it either, but it looks kinda cool and gives you something to shoot at.

I think they're supposed to have a "micro-manufacturing" thing in the Omni-tools. Now as for the drones, they're main attack is electrical, so they might just be a tiny little thing with the ball of light as a holigram to distract enemies.

[AngelicMachinery]

Its a fricken laser?

[Spartanburger]

The thing is is that it's not light. It's a shaped Mass Effect field.

[Darkhour]

Smilietime wrote...

I mean, I understand Haptic adaptive Interfaces. And omni-tools make sense; the orange light is just an interface.

But how can you attack someone with just plain light (that's not a beam weapon?)

Mass Effect is pretty hard science fiction (possibly making an exception for thermal clips). Exotic matter (Ezzo) can do a lot of things. But, in Mass Effect 3, we're using Omni-tools as weapons... Light does not work that way...

http://tvtropes.org/...ain.PhysicsGoof

http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/HardLight

Are you asking how a laser works?

[Mir5]

marshalleck wrote...

Don't bother. It's no longer science fiction; as in fiction grounded in science. It's now comic book Star Warsy space-fantasy crap.

Too ***n true.



Nobody seems to anymore care about the consistency of the lore so why not just go full insane with everything?
Why even pretend anything makes sense anymore?
It's mass field magic!

Modifié par Mir5, 02 juin 2011 - 01:24 .

[Arkis1909]

I see it as a small emitter installed in the omni-toll hardware. It'll create a shaped kinetic barrier, sort of like the shields the Geth drop around. Turn it on, and punch someone in the face with a mass effect field.



And failing that, it kills you with awesome sound effects. *brainscramble* 

[squee913]

Mir5 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Don't bother. It's no longer science fiction; as in fiction grounded in science. It's now comic book Star Warsy space-fantasy crap.

Too ***n true.



Nobody seems to anymore care about the consistency of the lore so why not just go full insane with everything?
Why even pretend anything makes sense anymore?
It's mass field magic!

First of all, they change the mass of object with a mystical element.... when was this not magic??
Secondly, their been very few retcons and lore inconsistencies. Most were made to improve game play. Some fans screaming retcon does not equal nobody caring about lore consistency.

[Black Raptor]

lol its fun to see all the "hardcore" people get mad.

Your omni-tool was used for a shield in ME2. Sentinels had tangible light as armour and it made sense in the lore then.
Now all you've done is made it spiky.

It makes more sense than using a metal knife that's for sure.

[Praetor Knight]

Smilietime wrote...

I mean, I understand Haptic adaptive Interfaces. And omni-tools make sense; the orange light is just an interface.

But how can you attack someone with just plain light (that's not a beam weapon?)

Well, I look forward to the Codex entry in ME3 for more info, but there are a few ways to think about how such a blade could work.

Considering the use of Mass Effect fields, I can easily imagine a blade edge as thin as a line of atoms!

Currently I think a tungsten needle is the sharpest object currently made, with diamond tipped blades and glass / ceramic blades following behind, so the ME3 OmniBlade is not too far out there made of wurtzite boron nitride, lonsdaleite, or plain old diamond.

An alternative is possibly generating a laser that is cutting through enemies, but that is less likely than a super sharp blade edge.



I just wonder how the new melee weapons will be distributed between the classes.


And one thing I'd like to throw out there that maybe the Engineer could use is something akin to a Thermal Lance! The Mythbusters used one in trying to crack into a safe and it obliterated the contents inside the safe, so it might work for the Engineer.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 10 juin 2011 - 09:18 .

[Battlepope190]

Maybe the Codex in 3 will elaborate on this a bit?

[JMTolan]

... Or we could all put on our common sense caps and remember that omni-tools since ME1 have had mini-facturing and assembly components, not just the holographic interfaces. (Indeed, that minifacturing/omni-gel converting functionality was and continues to be their main everyday use in the universe for the common man.) So, it's much less likely to be a mass effect field or some kind of holographic laser, and much more likely to be a manufactured-on-the-spot actual thin blade with a hologram around it.

It's really just a close-combat military application of a functionality that most people who use omni-tools use on a regular basis.

-Tolan

[Black Raptor]

JMTolan wrote...

... Or we could all put on our common sense caps and remember that omni-tools since ME1 have had mini-facturing and assembly components, not just the holographic interfaces. (Indeed, that minifacturing/omni-gel converting functionality was and continues to be their main everyday use in the universe for the common man.) So, it's much less likely to be a mass effect field or some kind of holographic laser, and much more likely to be a manufactured-on-the-spot actual thin blade with a hologram around it.

It's really just a close-combat military application of a functionality that most people who use omni-tools use on a regular basis.

-Tolan

This


...will be along the lines of what the codex will say. 

Thin manufactured blade with a hologram. Nothing against the lore there.

[Bogsnot1]

Michio Kaku explains how to build a lightsaber plasma sword, using real science.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 11 juin 2011 - 02:43 .

[Hathur]

Smilietime wrote...

I mean, I understand Haptic adaptive Interfaces. And omni-tools make sense; the orange light is just an interface.

But how can you attack someone with just plain light (that's not a beam weapon?)

Mass Effect is pretty hard science fiction (possibly making an exception for thermal clips). Exotic matter (Ezzo) can do a lot of things. But, in Mass Effect 3, we're using Omni-tools as weapons... Light does not work that way...

http://tvtropes.org/...ain.PhysicsGoof

http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/HardLight

You have a bizzarre concept of what hard science fiction is... Mass Effect has always been pulp science fiction.. just like Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.

There have been no hard science fiction tv shows / movies or games made that I know of. Hard science fiction (meaning based heavily - but not purely - on actual laws of physics and our understanding of it) has only been done in novels (i.e. Alistair Reynolds has written several books based heavily on hard science fiction.. though of course is still forced to add elements of pulp science fiction as well. There's numerous other authors as well of course).

If you're making a science fiction game or tv show / movie and don't even apply newtonian laws of physics to space flight (looking at you, SSV Normandy.. banking? Climbing? Diving.. in space? No... fighter jets don't work in space.. there is only lateral thrust, vertical thrust and inertia.. no behvaing as if you were under the effects of atmosphere plus gravity), then you cannot remotely consider it hard science fiction.

Note, this is not a criticism of pulp science fiction, as hard science fiction isn't necessarily "better" than the the other.. they're just different.

I would not advise looking for realism in Mass Effect as it is very far from being considered hard science fiction. Just accept it as great pulp science fiction and roll with it.

Modifié par Hathur, 11 juin 2011 - 02:53 .

[Tony Gunslinger]

Smilietime wrote...

I mean, I understand Haptic adaptive Interfaces. And omni-tools make sense; the orange light is just an interface.

But how can you attack someone with just plain light (that's not a beam weapon?)

Mass Effect is pretty hard science fiction (possibly making an exception for thermal clips). Exotic matter (Ezzo) can do a lot of things. But, in Mass Effect 3, we're using Omni-tools as weapons... Light does not work that way...

Omni Blade is the same stuff used to make Drone, Tech Armor, and the Shadow Broker's shield.

[AlanC9]

If it's tangible, it can be a weapon.