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[Commander_Adept]

I know it's addressed in Mass 2 at the end (barely) by EDI saying that they tried to make a Prothean Reaper but failed. What the hell does that mean?

How would they fail to create a Prothean Reaper? I wish it was more elaborated upon... Did the Prothean paste not hold up inside the Reaper shell? Did they not have good enough servants to create it? Did they not have enough Protheans to complete the Reaper?Did they not know enough about the Protheans at the time? Did they just mess up at some point during the creation?

I really hope that this isn't something that's swept under the rug in Mass 3. But I get a sinking feeling that it will be.

[HogarthHughes 3]

I got the impression that the Prothean paste wasn't up to snuff, but perhaps thats just because I feel like the reapers have a thing for Shepard and humanity in general. Then again, it seems like a lot of characters have a "thing" for Shepard in Mass Effect. Does Legion ever really say why it used the N7 armor to patch itself?

[Saaziel]

Something i wrote a few weeks ago on the matter :

>>>>>The Protheans seemed to be able to share , to a degree, conscious thoughts & experience through the beacon system, much like a rudimentary "Geth-like" form of communication. The Reapers can be abridged as the collective will of a specie made manifest. It wouldn't be surprising then, to see both the Protheans & the Geth be incompatible with the Reaper form. Probably why the Protheans were fashioned into Collectors thereafter and why no Geth "Cyber-goo" can be transformed/downloaded into a Reaper body (Though this topic might be better explored somewhere else). <<<<<


I like the idea that they were incapable of merging minds further since they were , for the lack of a better word , Reaper-like in thinking . Something Legion comments on in Its loyalty mission when Sheppard confronts the Nazara , True & Heretic issue . I can't , however ,remember the exact quote .Alternatively it might simply be a matter of numbers , or perhaps its due to the fact that at the time , the collector base did not exists and the other facilities weren't up to task.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Saaziel wrote...

Something i wrote a few weeks ago on the matter :

>>>>>The Protheans seemed to be able to share , to a degree, conscious thoughts & experience through the beacon system, much like a rudimentary "Geth-like" form of communication. The Reapers can be abridged as the collective will of a specie made manifest. It wouldn't be surprising then, to see both the Protheans & the Geth be incompatible with the Reaper form. Probably why the Protheans were fashioned into Collectors thereafter and why no Geth "Cyber-goo" can be transformed/downloaded into a Reaper body (Though this topic might be better explored somewhere else). <<<<<
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I don't understand, was that covered in one of the books or something?  When the humans were liquified to be turned into a reaper, any consciousness or will they had was taken away.  Unless you're talking about something spiritual?

[Heimdall]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Something i wrote a few weeks ago on the matter :

>>>>>The Protheans seemed to be able to share , to a degree, conscious thoughts & experience through the beacon system, much like a rudimentary "Geth-like" form of communication. The Reapers can be abridged as the collective will of a specie made manifest. It wouldn't be surprising then, to see both the Protheans & the Geth be incompatible with the Reaper form. Probably why the Protheans were fashioned into Collectors thereafter and why no Geth "Cyber-goo" can be transformed/downloaded into a Reaper body (Though this topic might be better explored somewhere else). <<<<<
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I don't understand, was that covered in one of the books or something?  When the humans were liquified to be turned into a reaper, any consciousness or will they had was taken away.  Unless you're talking about something spiritual?

  Legion spoke of sovereign as a hive mind of countless individuals.  From that and the human paste thing, as well as Harpinger's taunts "pinnacle of your evolution" and whatnot, people have gathered that the Reaper production method somehow combines the conciousness of a species into a Hive mind.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Hmm interesting, thanks for the response. Still doesn't quite make sense to me though, as when the humans are liquified they have the same collective will as a bunch of rocks. I always took the "genetic destiny" and "pinnacle of your evolution" taunts as meaning humans were destined (as well as quite fortunate in the reapers opinion) to be used to create a Reaper.

[Warlock Adam]

Short answer: no one really knows. It's all just assumptions at this point. Maybe it'll turn out to be a plot point in ME3.

[Heimdall]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Hmm interesting, thanks for the response. Still doesn't quite make sense to me though, as when the humans are liquified they have the same collective will as a bunch of rocks. I always took the "genetic destiny" and "pinnacle of your evolution" taunts as meaning humans were destined (as well as quite fortunate in the reapers opinion) to be used to create a Reaper.

  Well, to be fair we don't really know what the whole liquification thing is or exactly what's going on there.  It's speculation but it seems to be the most likely idea

[HogarthHughes 3]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Well, to be fair we don't really know what the whole liquification thing is or exactly what's going on there.  It's speculation but it seems to be the most likely idea

True, I suppose I shouldn't look at it only in the terms of current scientific knowledge.  It is science fiction after all.
(Just to clarify, I'm being sincere.  It can sometimes be hard to tell from words alone and I'm a terrible writer.)

[Heimdall]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Well, to be fair we don't really know what the whole liquification thing is or exactly what's going on there.  It's speculation but it seems to be the most likely idea

True, I suppose I shouldn't look at it only in the terms of current scientific knowledge.  It is science fiction after all.
(Just to clarify, I'm being sincere.  It can sometimes be hard to tell from words alone and I'm a terrible writer.)

With science fiction, never assume things will add up scientifically

[Commander_Adept]

I really just hope that it's addressed in some form of media, whether it be a book or Mass 3 or a future game or something

I wouldn't mind seeing a Mass Effect game that would be like Halo: Reach in the way that it's a prequel (starring the Protheans) and you already know the ending (they get wiped out/repurposed) but you get to see all of the circumstances that brought about their extinction (at least, as the Protheans). This could easily address the Reaper-failing issue. Though some could argue that this would be too Reach-esque (Though definitely better).

[jamesp81]

Lord Aesir wrote...

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Something i wrote a few weeks ago on the matter :

>>>>>The Protheans seemed to be able to share , to a degree, conscious thoughts & experience through the beacon system, much like a rudimentary "Geth-like" form of communication. The Reapers can be abridged as the collective will of a specie made manifest. It wouldn't be surprising then, to see both the Protheans & the Geth be incompatible with the Reaper form. Probably why the Protheans were fashioned into Collectors thereafter and why no Geth "Cyber-goo" can be transformed/downloaded into a Reaper body (Though this topic might be better explored somewhere else). <<<<<
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I don't understand, was that covered in one of the books or something?  When the humans were liquified to be turned into a reaper, any consciousness or will they had was taken away.  Unless you're talking about something spiritual?

  Legion spoke of sovereign as a hive mind of countless individuals.  From that and the human paste thing, as well as Harpinger's taunts "pinnacle of your evolution" and whatnot, people have gathered that the Reaper production method somehow combines the conciousness of a species into a Hive mind.

It's not exactly confirmed to be the case in the game, but it sure as hell looks that way from where I'm standing.

Still, I ain't up for becoming part of a reaper.  My philosophy towards them is to kill them all, and then let God sort them out.

[jamesp81]

Commander_Adept wrote...

I really just hope that it's addressed in some form of media, whether it be a book or Mass 3 or a future game or something

I wouldn't mind seeing a Mass Effect game that would be like Halo: Reach in the way that it's a prequel (starring the Protheans) and you already know the ending (they get wiped out/repurposed) but you get to see all of the circumstances that brought about their extinction (at least, as the Protheans). This could easily address the Reaper-failing issue. Though some could argue that this would be too Reach-esque (Though definitely better).

I just can't get into prequels.  Might work as a novel, though.

[AnOniMouse]

If they didn't manage a Prothean Reaper, I suggest it could also be their quad DNA.
EDI also states that there was no other species with any similar structure. 'Course, this is again taking EDI as accurate, perhaps Leviathan itself or earlier species had such and its no issue, but hey, hardware issues.