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[TexasToast712]

Joshua N7 wrote...

habitat67 you are a GENIUS! I had trouble concentrating due to TexasToasts like gamer pic. Nice =D

You know its a good one when you constantly laugh at your own avatar.

[Joshua N7]

Yeah!

[Obvakhi]

ShadyKat wrote...

Partial nudity is fine, ME1 did it and still made it classy. As long as it's not over the top, or just too graphic, I'm all for it.

Agreed.
If they do put nudity back in, most we'll probably get is an ass shot.

And people saying to go watch porn are totally missing the point.

[habitat 67]

Nothing says classy like a slinky loincloth on a windy day...

[Vnnk]

Typical its allowed in movies books and such and they dont get Judged. But as soon as games have a moment you can be with a character you do love (Attracted to or Just love the character them self) it needs to come up in the media. And people who want it "jus cuz lol look boobies" should grow up. Imo obviously.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I'd rather have more gameplay content... nothing was ever wrong with a little kiss and fade-to-black

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 02 juin 2011 - 09:17 .

[Joshua N7]

Mass Effect is a piece of art. If any game has the right to put sex in it and make it seem classy it's Mass effect. Thats just my opinion on the topic.

[bigSarg]

I personally don't want nudity in my games, but I think making the "love scenes" a little more realistic would be better, like at least having them down to their underwear (like the Miranda scene or even Jacob), but when they are fully dressed it really takes away from the realism. I honestly expected more from the Jack love scene, but it was still pretty good.

I think part of the Mature rating that it got was for the language, and the violence (of course)

[Joshua N7]

I'm Commander Shepard and I will make sex to you on the Citadel.

[Valikdu]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Damn FOX.

...what's it about fox anyway? everyone's saying it as if they can ban the game or something.
the most they can do is shout a bit. which may even rise the interest in the game.

[TexasToast712]

Valikdu wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Damn FOX.

...what's it about fox anyway? everyone's saying it as if they can ban the game or something.
the most they can do is shout a bit. which may even rise the interest in the game.

They have influence.

[AngelicMachinery]

Joshua N7 wrote...

Mass Effect is a piece of art. If any game has the right to put sex in it and make it seem classy it's Mass effect. Thats just my opinion on the topic.

It's not art,  it's entertainment.  Sorry man,  I love the game but your definition of art is a bit off.

[AngelicMachinery]

thurmanator692 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Joshua N7 wrote...

Mass Effect is a piece of art. If any game has the right to put sex in it and make it seem classy it's Mass effect. Thats just my opinion on the topic.

It's not art,  it's entertainment.  Sorry man,  I love the game but your definition of art is a bit off.

Art is the culture of a society reflected in a medium, film is art, music is art, literature is art, when all put together, why wouldnt it be art?

I never said a video game couldn't be art,  Heavy Rain is heading in the right direction.  Mass Effect on the other hand is not.  While the story is key to the game,  it isn't the focal point.  For the most part it's a run and gun adventure with a bit of flourish in your get to point A to point B quests.  It really doesn't illicit any real emotional responces,  and I'm sure people will say "The characters are so DEEP and IMMERSIVE."  But really they aren't their dialogue ammounts to maybe four or five minutes of text per character without any potential for growth or change.  

[CitizenThom]

Art is subjectively defined, thanks to the post modernists. I like the equation of craftsmanship = art. Sure, craftsmanship + brilliance = great art... but random political and philosophical and marketing rhetoric does not make art, craft does. If a video game is well crafted/ well executed, it wouldn't be wrong to call it art. Question is whether Mass Effect represents the pinnacle of craftsmanship or not... be it in terms of the story or in terms of the cutscenes or otherwise.

[DoNotIngest]

Too bad Fox had an effect on Bioware. That abomination is what I hate most about the country to the south.

AngelicMachinery wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Joshua N7 wrote...

Mass Effect is a piece of art. If any game has the right to put sex in it and make it seem classy it's Mass effect. Thats just my opinion on the topic.

It's not art,  it's entertainment.  Sorry man,  I love the game but your definition of art is a bit off.

Art is the culture of a society reflected in a medium, film is art, music is art, literature is art, when all put together, why wouldnt it be art?

I never said a video game couldn't be art,  Heavy Rain is heading in the right direction.  Mass Effect on the other hand is not.  While the story is key to the game,  it isn't the focal point.  For the most part it's a run and gun adventure with a bit of flourish in your get to point A to point B quests.  It really doesn't illicit any real emotional responces,  and I'm sure people will say "The characters are so DEEP and IMMERSIVE."  But really they aren't their dialogue ammounts to maybe four or five minutes of text per character without any potential for growth or change.  

Wha? If I want Run n' Gun, I'll play Call of Duty. If I want epic, awesome characters and an epic, awesome story, I'll play Mass Effect.

[snowfox522]

vanslyke85 wrote...

17+ in canada and thats prolly only cause they use the f word a bunch of times. hardly at all though, for realism I don't care about the nudity much but there should be a lot more foul language.

what is with Canadians and language! You think everyone should screame profanity.

[KotorEffect3]

I will laugh if the Krogan princess is nude. You did want nudity didn't you?

[AngelicMachinery]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Too bad Fox had an effect on Bioware. That abomination is what I hate most about the country to the south.

AngelicMachinery wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Joshua N7 wrote...

Mass Effect is a piece of art. If any game has the right to put sex in it and make it seem classy it's Mass effect. Thats just my opinion on the topic.

It's not art,  it's entertainment.  Sorry man,  I love the game but your definition of art is a bit off.

Art is the culture of a society reflected in a medium, film is art, music is art, literature is art, when all put together, why wouldnt it be art?

I never said a video game couldn't be art,  Heavy Rain is heading in the right direction.  Mass Effect on the other hand is not.  While the story is key to the game,  it isn't the focal point.  For the most part it's a run and gun adventure with a bit of flourish in your get to point A to point B quests.  It really doesn't illicit any real emotional responces,  and I'm sure people will say "The characters are so DEEP and IMMERSIVE."  But really they aren't their dialogue ammounts to maybe four or five minutes of text per character without any potential for growth or change.  

Wha? If I want Run n' Gun, I'll play Call of Duty. If I want epic, awesome characters and an epic, awesome story, I'll play Mass Effect.

You can call it what you want,  but, it's not really art man.  I'm sorry, it's like J.J's Star Trek.  It's awesome,  but,  it's not really all that high in substance.

[knightnblu]

"While the story is key to the game, it isn't the focal point. For the most part it's a run and gun adventure with a bit of flourish in your get to point A to point B quests. It really doesn't illicit any real emotional responces, and I'm sure people will say "The characters are so DEEP and IMMERSIVE." "

I disagree. If the Mass Effect games were all strait up shooters, you would be right. But the RPG aspect of the game demands an involved story that draws the player into it. The addition of professional voice actors, motion capture, and facial expressions and gesticulations to match the actors voice all work to convey a much stronger experience. In essence, the games have evolved into playing the player.

As people, we respond to visual stimuli as well as to words and circumstances. If done carefully, a game can evoke a strong emotion from the player because he begins to care about what is happening. One of the best romances in BioWare gaming is the romance of Morril in DA 2. One can almost feel the butterflies as she fumbles her words and expressions. It is uncomfortable territory for her caught between her desire and her Elven propriety.

Mass Effect is fairly unique in that it is a blend between a FPS and an RPG. The ground was broken by Origin's System Shock and ME is one of these. Therefore, a strong story is essential. If the story lacks then the game will fail. If the game mechanics are crap, the game will fail. The morality decision trees add even greater complexity to the system. Thus, the old saying of you can't please everyone 100% of the time comes into play.

Nudity comes into play when you want to climax the romance. It punctuates the story and provides the player with some closure with the romance arc. You invest your time and effort into pursuing your LI and the intimacy is the payoff. If you read many of the posts on this board you will find a great many fans of Tali, Jack, Ashley, Miranda, etc., and a good deal of complaining about the romances of ME2. This is because they were disappointed by the climax of the romance.

As I said before, it was all hot and heavy with Miranda in the Engine room and then...clothes on grinding. Absurd. I am not asking for nor advocating sex scenes like in Witcher 2, but I would like to see a return to the tasteful display of nudity that was present in the original Mass Effect if an intimate scene is present, particularly with the original love interests. I don't believe that is too much to ask for in a series that I have followed from the get go.

The character development is limited by the nature of the emergencies faced by Shep and the crew. Talks between characters (like the "I had reach, but she had flexibility" one in fire control) can further this and deepen the gaming experience. Inter-party banter can also serve to flesh out characters.

That having been said, I think that we can all agree that the Mass Effect concept and story are winners. We are really just talking about polishing the gem and getting rid of rough spots. To me, nudity is one of the issues that needs attention. Either don't do it or do it right.

[Yeti13]

ummm the Smithsonian is putting ME2 in their video game art display fyi. Also video games are now judged under art according to the supreme court. Please do not insult BW again or the industry again...

[mopotter]

For me, ME1 was perfect.  I want it back in ME3.  
I'm also happily married, have been with the same man the last 25 years, married, to him, the last 23 and would do it again.  :happy:    And if I want video game porn there is always the sims from the adult sites.  

In Mass Effect 3 I want emotion and romance in the love scenes, or at least some of them, depending on your choices.  I got all that in ME1.  The lighting, the music, the whole mood was there.  ME2 some of the romances were rather sweet, Jack and paragon Shepard and Jacob was not bad, but for me, none of them had the emotional connection that I found in ME1.    

[AngelicMachinery]

knightnblu wrote...

"While the story is key to the game, it isn't the focal point. For the most part it's a run and gun adventure with a bit of flourish in your get to point A to point B quests. It really doesn't illicit any real emotional responces, and I'm sure people will say "The characters are so DEEP and IMMERSIVE." "

I disagree. If the Mass Effect games were all strait up shooters, you would be right. But the RPG aspect of the game demands an involved story that draws the player into it. The addition of professional voice actors, motion capture, and facial expressions and gesticulations to match the actors voice all work to convey a much stronger experience. In essence, the games have evolved into playing the player.

As people, we respond to visual stimuli as well as to words and circumstances. If done carefully, a game can evoke a strong emotion from the player because he begins to care about what is happening. One of the best romances in BioWare gaming is the romance of Morril in DA 2. One can almost feel the butterflies as she fumbles her words and expressions. It is uncomfortable territory for her caught between her desire and her Elven propriety.

Mass Effect is fairly unique in that it is a blend between a FPS and an RPG. The ground was broken by Origin's System Shock and ME is one of these. Therefore, a strong story is essential. If the story lacks then the game will fail. If the game mechanics are crap, the game will fail. The morality decision trees add even greater complexity to the system. Thus, the old saying of you can't please everyone 100% of the time comes into play.

Nudity comes into play when you want to climax the romance. It punctuates the story and provides the player with some closure with the romance arc. You invest your time and effort into pursuing your LI and the intimacy is the payoff. If you read many of the posts on this board you will find a great many fans of Tali, Jack, Ashley, Miranda, etc., and a good deal of complaining about the romances of ME2. This is because they were disappointed by the climax of the romance.

As I said before, it was all hot and heavy with Miranda in the Engine room and then...clothes on grinding. Absurd. I am not asking for nor advocating sex scenes like in Witcher 2, but I would like to see a return to the tasteful display of nudity that was present in the original Mass Effect if an intimate scene is present, particularly with the original love interests. I don't believe that is too much to ask for in a series that I have followed from the get go.

The character development is limited by the nature of the emergencies faced by Shep and the crew. Talks between characters (like the "I had reach, but she had flexibility" one in fire control) can further this and deepen the gaming experience. Inter-party banter can also serve to flesh out characters.

That having been said, I think that we can all agree that the Mass Effect concept and story are winners. We are really just talking about polishing the gem and getting rid of rough spots. To me, nudity is one of the issues that needs attention. Either don't do it or do it right.

Perhaps it’s just me,  but,  I don’t see what removes Mass Effect from your typical summer block buster.  This could be the main issue of having,  maybe deep down inside I think something has to be pretentious to be considered artistic.  It has a good story,  but,  the story despite what your saying it is only a small component of the game.  It is padded out by massive amounts of combat,  which,  goes a LONG way in lengthening the game and making the story itself seem longer.  It doesn’t matter what type of game your playing be it RPG,  Shooter,  or what have you a good majority of games the story is mostly backdrop.  It can be an awesome backdrop,  but,  once a game truly brings the story to the forefront and removes its repetive combat scenes and other forms of filler I think we’ll see an improvement. 

As for romances and character interaction. I’m sorry,  they really are few and far between in ME.  You get what?  Three or four short dialogues with each character and a an additional one or two for a character you romance.  Most characters don’t really change in there arc,  they simply provide back story.  DA2 did do this a tad bit better,  characters do grow and change. It’s not massive say on the scale of a novel or even a film (Which,  I believe is a tad bit detrimental considering a game has far more room to develop characters than any film could.  Hell,  the medium itself may blow film out of the water if people are willing to push boundries.)

I can see art in Bioware’s future,  I really can,  but like most of the industry as a whole they’re still looking for that happy medium where something artistic can still be profitable.  Things just get a tad mucked up when you hear Devs say “I wish I had the time/money to put this in.”  Which,  leads me to feel that the maker isn’t even feeling they’re finished product is up to par with their own standard.  Which I feel is damming to something on an artistic level.

As for nudity.  I’m not really against it,  I just think it typically looks horrible in electronic formats.  I’m more than willing to be surprised by a truly awesome sex scene in the game,  I’m just not sure if the medium is ready  for it.  I will be the first to admit that I’m wrong when I see one that looks great and is played for titillation and not just as an excuse to get people’s engines running. 

I do love ME,  I’ve logged hundreds of hours into both games and I did so with a smile on my face.  I just expect more out of something if it's going to be claimed as an artistic endeavor.

[AngelicMachinery]

Yeti13 wrote...

ummm the Smithsonian is putting ME2 in their video game art display fyi. Also video games are now judged under art according to the supreme court. Please do not insult BW again or the industry again...

The government decided whether or not video games can be considered art really doesn't result in Mass Effect being art.  It's using a medium that can be considered artistic,  but,  that doesn't make it true art.   As I've said,  It's like comparing the 2009 Star Trek to 2001 A Space Odyssey.