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[Yeti13]

I do not hate Heavy rain but it is moving away from the art form that is video games, it is more like choose your own adventure books, if your judging art by wether or not it brings about an emotion than its completely objective, the modern art museum in London did nothing for me, that does not mean that it isn't art, no art is anything creative, anything that requires imagination to produce and enables someone else to enjoy/appreciate it. Yes there are terrible movies, books, games, etc but they are still art.

[TomY90]

Yeti13 wrote...

I do not hate Heavy rain but it is moving away from the art form that is video games, it is more like choose your own adventure books, if your judging art by wether or not it brings about an emotion than its completely objective, the modern art museum in London did nothing for me, that does not mean that it isn't art, no art is anything creative, anything that requires imagination to produce and enables someone else to enjoy/appreciate it. Yes there are terrible movies, books, games, etc but they are still art.

I do agree with you on heavy rain not being a game i call it a Dynamic TV show / film (but still a good game regardless)

I do not think bioware can learn much from heavy rain due to its varying styles the only one they can possibly compare to is the witcher 2 but they are aiming for different markets so cannot compare really. 

[Kabanya101]

Why do people want nudity in the game so bad? I don't understand. If you want to look at porn, just log onto the internet, its every where.

I don't mind nudity, I just don't want the game to be a porno like the Witcher. A love scene like that of ME1 will be perfect. Simple, yet effective and life like. Not a 3d porn scene of two people ****ing.

[Yeti13]

^^ There is something about nudity (not porn) both male and female that can be used to great effect, I don't think anybody is suggesting having female characters just walk around topless but it strikes a deeper emotional chord when its used correctly in a love-making scene. ME1 did this wonderfully only showing private parts for about 2 seconds, unfotuently the idiots at Fox did a smear campaign against BW and now BW had to resort to distasteful use of spandex and ass shots. Fox never said anything about the God of War series in which nudity is commonplace, or in Dante's Inferno where you fight a giant naked women.

[Gabey5]

yep

[PARAGON87]

I thought the sex scenes in ME1 were tasteful and PG-13, as well as in DA:O.

ME2's love scenes were PG, at most, and left a lot to be desired.

I don't think BioWare will go as far as TW2 in terms of sex scenes, but I hope they show some skin, yet keep it tasteful.

[Gavinthelocust]

Mass Effect was perfect, nothing was really shown and it conveyed the emotion of the romance. I don't want Dragon Age's ridiculousness, I don't want Mass Effect 2's blandness, and I don't want Witcher 2's softcore porn. Just give me something that is there for the sake of the relationship and not for the sake of people having material to masturbate to.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 03 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[Labrev]

Red Dead Redemption had it, and that was a masterpiece game.

I get why ME wouldn't wanna go there, but.... I'm down for some ME n00diez.

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Red Dead Redemption had it, and that was a masterpiece game.

I get why ME wouldn't wanna go there, but.... I'm down for some ME n00diez.

RDR also had a real sex scene.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Amusing story: when I was 8, my father let me watch the Terminator. The only scene he fast-forwarded past was the sex scene. Nudity more inappropriate than graphic blood and gore? Apparently parents in the U.S. believe it is. -.-

As for sex scenes, though, I actually prefer ME2's. Not because of the lack of nudity, but because of the lack of stock animations. Every sex scene in ME1 was literally the same scene with different characters. However, if you're going to show two people in their post-sex cuddle, don't show them in their underclothes, dammit, because they're going to be naked. If you have to cover them, put a blanket over them or something, just don't insult my intelligence by implying they bothered to put their underthings back on before basking in the afterglow, dammit.

I believe scenes should be what they are. A sex scene that fades to black before any of the "juicy" bits show is fine. I don't have to see sex happen to know how it works, and I'd rather leave it to the imagination anyway (I have a really good imagination, especially when it comes to sex). However, anything that you actually display as a scene should be what it would be if it were actually happening. Censor by omission if you must. If censorship is tasteful and well-executed, you barely notice that anything was censored in the first place.

And yes, that was a goddamn Dragon Age II reference.

Final note: I found ME1's sex scenes not only incredibly stock-animated, but incredibly cheesy in their execution.

[Anihilus]

I prefer ME1s scene to ME2s scene, although I wouldn't call ME1s scene a sec scene. It's more of a romance scene, imho

[Nathan Redgrave]

Anihilus wrote...

I prefer ME1s scene to ME2s scene, although I wouldn't call ME1s scene a sec scene. It's more of a romance scene, imho

It's a sex scene. Romantic or not, they have sex and they show clips of two naked people having sex. Trying to be all hopeless-romantic in your interpretation doesn't change that. For all intents and purposes, it's a sex scene. The category "romance scene" is too broad; that can just mean a romantic conversation or a scene where two people in love experience a moment of innocent sexual tension, for all the narrowing-down it does.

[wizardryforever]

Well I don't really mind if there is nudity.  As in, you see direct shots of boobs/genitals.  That said, it really isn't necessary.  What I want is relatively realistic love scenes.  Having sex fully clothed is ridiculous, and very jarring when you see that in a video game.  If we are mature enough to have the scene, then do it properly.  You don't have to show anything really to illustrate that the couple in question is in fact nude, and they are in fact having sex.  Clever camera angles and tricks really help, hell even props could be used to obstruct the view (like the typical bedsheet).  Movies have been doing this for decades, and I see no reason why this would be unreasonable.  On the other hand, if we are not mature enough for the scene, don't have it at all.  I guess my point is: if you're going to do it, do it properly (that's what she said).

Anyway, clamoring for nudity is one thing that likely doesn't really work.  It comes off as immature, not mature.  Essentially, it seems to say, "I'm not mature enough to not care about seeing naked bodies."  I don't think this is the message you want to send.  Tasteful love scenes = yes, gratuitous nudity and butt-shots = no.

[DrRedrum]

The point on Maturity could be argued since we being fans of the series, knowing that Mass Effect is a M-rated game would like Bioware to use this rating to its full potential to show us these nicely rendered love scenes because we, being the correct age to buy M Rated games are in fact mature enough to find these tasteful and gives flare to the storyline and depth to the relationship within the game. Not just "O GaaWD B00bies!!!1!"

I too prefer the ME1 scene. I wondered what would've happened for romances in ME2 if BW had kept on that track rather than the Spandex/fade out route they did take.

[ARCHETYPE.02]

All I got say that in Mass effect the sex scenes was great but in Me2 the sex scene sucked monkey's arse.Hopefully, they would do it better in me3.

[grimkillah]

wizardryforever wrote...
 What I want is relatively realistic love scenes.  Having sex fully clothed is ridiculous, and very jarring when you see that in a video game.

Having sex fully clothed is ridculous? clearly you never had a mesh session during lunch breaks. Ah yes, always liked lunch breaks at school.

ARCHETYPE.02 wrote...
All I got say that in Mass effect the sex scenes was great but in Me2 the sex scene sucked monkey's arse.Hopefully, they would do it better in me3.

Peronsally, Miranda's sex scene was the best in ME series, way better than any in ME1. I just love that black lace bra.

[N3phtys]

with exception of Miranda for maleSheps ME2 was just... wrong xD

Mass Effect 1 had the perfect romances, even getting naked action (of course, no real porn involved).
And that´s what I would like to have for ME3

Mass Effect wants the player to see it as real as possible... Mass Effect 2 looked amazing, Mass Effect 3 looks better.
also, we have great roleplaying, great cutscenes and great anything. We even have decent romances with loveinterests which are more than just nameless NPCs, so much more.

but we can´t have them having sex??? thats just wrong.
I clearly remeber the sex scene from Mass Effect 1, it was just perfect.
the most erotic moment in Mass Effect 2 was the "romance" with Liara after beating the Shadow Broker... and again... clothed.
but the rest? You´ll probably laugh if you play it for the first time.

the romance best suited for overload of stupidness: FemShep, Jacob and the PRIIIIZE

[Chuvvy]

I'm tired but I'll do a short form of the argument I post in everyone of these threads. You can see real nudity in a PG-13 movie. But you can't see fake nudity in a M rated game. What the ****?

[habitat 67]

CitizenThom wrote...

Art is subjectively defined, thanks to the post modernists. I like the equation of craftsmanship = art. Sure, craftsmanship + brilliance = great art... but random political and philosophical and marketing rhetoric does not make art, craft does. If a video game is well crafted/ well executed, it wouldn't be wrong to call it art. Question is whether Mass Effect represents the pinnacle of craftsmanship or not... be it in terms of the story or in terms of the cutscenes or otherwise.

Hard to imagine intelligent discussion could come out of a(nother) nudity thread, but you've done it quite well.

[ARCHETYPE.02]

grimkillah wrote...

ARCHETYPE.02 wrote...
All I got say that in Mass effect the sex scenes was great but in Me2 the sex scene sucked monkey's arse.Hopefully, they would do it better in me3.

Peronsally, Miranda's sex scene was the best in ME series, way better than any in ME1. I just love that black lace bra.

Yes,I forgot about that one.That one was good because it wasnt that dumb. I liked miranda's because I felt like there was a connection between them two.