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I hope we get the opportunity to torture and kill Cerberus operatives/Illusive man very horrifically in ME3


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Markinator_123 wrote...

In ME3 Bioware should really give us the opportunity to go "Space Punisher" on Cerberus. The organization as a whole has really crossed the moral event horizon plenty of times and now that they are targeting Shepard in ME3 it is time to show no mercy. My Shepard is very fond of the "Pay evil unto Evil" trope and is looking forward to killing members of Cerberus in ME3 and hopes to kill the Illusive man the same way Garrus brutally killed a batarian slaver. Call me psycho but I've just had enough of these guys.


Okay, you're a psycho...

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H-How dare you! By resorting to torture and murder you are only showing that you are no better than Cerberus itself!

*storms off in a rage, tears running down cheeks*

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Being forced to fight Cerberus, true human patriots and heroes, is the greatest tragedy of Mass Effect.


The real tragedy is not being able to kill them twice D:

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Markinator_123 wrote...
In ME3 Bioware should really give us the opportunity to go "Space Punisher" on Cerberus. The organization as a whole has really crossed the moral event horizon plenty of times and now that they are targeting Shepard in ME3 it is time to show no mercy. My Shepard is very fond of the "Pay evil unto Evil" trope and is looking forward to killing members of Cerberus in ME3 and hopes to kill the Illusive man the same way Garrus brutally killed a batarian slaver. Call me psycho but I've just had enough of these guys.

If I recall correctly, you once supported the opinion that Cerberus is a two-faced organization that occasionally crosses the line but in other aspects is a necessary evil. What changed?

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Some Paragons scare me.

You know, that kind of irrational people that make you want to take a slow step back, smile and nod at them.

Modifié par laecraft, 03 juin 2011 - 05:26 .


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I will make him (Tim) suffer.

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Barbarian.

Revenge is pointless. You want to kill bad guys, go ahead. I'm not going to stop you, they have certainly done some rather atrocious things. But what good is torture going to do?

Will it bring back the people who have been killed?
Will it right the wrongs that have been committed?
Will it make the culprit see the error of his ways?
Will it help you with your disturbingly blatant anger management issues?

The answers are no, no, no and most definitely no.
You would only be adding pain on top of pain.

Be a man. Say no to police Shepard brutality in ME3.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 03 juin 2011 - 06:02 .


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Shepard Lives wrote...

Barbarian.

Revenge is pointless. You want to kill bad guys, go ahead. I'm not going to stop you, they have certainly done some rather atrocious things. But what good is torture going to do?

Will it bring back the people who have been killed?
Will it right the wrongs that have been committed?
Will it make the culprit see the error of his ways?
Will it help you with your disturbingly blatant anger management issues?

The answers are no, no, no and most definitely no.
You would only be adding pain on top of pain.

Be a man. Say no to police Shepard brutality in ME3.


It would be optional so why do you care?

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it's not revenge, Its avenging the death of Kohoku, the poor souls on the Idenna, the soldiers sacrificed for science to observe thresher maws, the intentional dumping of element zero on children and the subsequent kidnap of survivors, the Turians who valiantly gave their lives stoping Cerberus, the intentional indoctrination of Paul Grayson and the subsequent deaths that follow, the torture of Jack and her fellow kids to "unlock potential", and countless other heinous acts that give all humans a terrible name, #$#$ CERBERUS,

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Yeti13 wrote...

it's not revenge, Its avenging the death of Kohoku, the poor souls on the Idenna, the soldiers sacrificed for science to observe thresher maws, the intentional dumping of element zero on children and the subsequent kidnap of survivors, the Turians who valiantly gave their lives stoping Cerberus, the intentional indoctrination of Paul Grayson and the subsequent deaths that follow, the torture of Jack and her fellow kids to "unlock potential", and countless other heinous acts that give all humans a terrible name, #$#$ CERBERUS,

Avengeing someone is taking revenge on behalf of that person.

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Never as simple as I'd like it to be. Not all Cerberus agents are as evil and ruthless so cannot lump them all together.
For the Akuze survivor to move on past the nightmares, she'd have to be beyond the need for torture. Rigorous interrogation....maybe, but not torture.
Pity the ones sent to kill Shepard...and the one who sent them in the first place most of all.

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Bluko wrote...
Them trying to kill you in the past on those side missions,


You broke into their facilities, destroyed their property, killed their people, and they're the bad guys?  Now I'm not trying to say Cerberus is good, they're not and make no claims to be, but you're blaiming the victim for not calmly letting an attacker have their way with them.  It's a bit childish to say but you started it.

Bluko wrote...
Gotta say Cerberus is basically the Galactic Empire in the position of the Rebel Alliance. So why anyone wants to make their Shepard into Darth Vader seems pretty retarded to me.


Vader got to be voiced by James Earl Jones.  Is there anyone here who wouldn't want their Shep voiced by James Earl Jones?

kaiki01 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Being forced to fight Cerberus, true human patriots and heroes, is the greatest tragedy of Mass Effect.


The real tragedy is not being able to kill them twice D:


One word; Lazarus

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Cerberus never retaliated against Shepard for his/her aggression against them either.

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All right, OP, you want to kill and torture Cerberus' members most horrifically? You have your wish granted. No need to wait for ME3, either. You actually had an opportunity to do this in ME2. Did you take it?

To clarify, I'm speaking of leaving Lazarus cell to be liquified by the Collectors. You can do this, you know. Lazarus cell is Cerberus.

Doctor Chakwas, with whom you probably shared a drink, Kelly Chambers, who will feed your fish and dance for you, Kenneth Donnelly, who got into trouble with the Alliance for defending your good name, and his faithful buddy Gabriella Daniels, who make such humorous remarks, all those crew members who are worried sick about their families being taken by the Collectors and would compliment you on your choice of spices for food and express their faith in your abilities and say that they expect to survive this against all odds because you're in charge - hell, even Joker, who will report to TIM if you die ("saved your life, let me fly") - they are all Cerberus. They joined Cerberus because they thought they're doing the right thing.

So tell me, did you leave your crew die at the hands of the Collectors? It's a most horrific death, very torturous. They will be liquified while fully aware of what's happening to them. This is the kind of torture that should suit your fancy, kind Paragon.

Or did you rush against time to save your crew? In this case, did you forget that they're all, in fact, Cerberus? Maybe you saved them because you grew attached to them, and felt responsibility? And what makes you think that other Cerberus cells are not composed of humans who have family, who feel emotions, and who think they're doing the right thing?

Or did you actually leave them to die, and laughed as you watch their death? In this case, I am sure you're going to enjoy killing humans in ME3. Have you considered joining the Reapers? Would make satisfying your bloodthirsty urges easier.

Modifié par laecraft, 04 juin 2011 - 06:01 .


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While I wouldn't take the option to torture TIM, my Shepard does need some kind of punch/shoot TIM in the face interrupt in ME3 for withholding useful information multiple times and for Akuze.

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Op is a role model for paragons everywhere.

Actually it makes me wonder how many paragons will tell the mercs on Jack's recruitment mission to stop beating the prisoner, but will beat the snot out of Elias Kelham on Thane's mission.

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Markinator_123 wrote...
My Shepard is very fond of  the "Pay evil unto Evil" trope and is looking forward to killing members of Cerberus in ME3 and hopes to kill the Illusive man

And why is that?
What has TIM specifically done to warrant torture.
Also do you have sufficient evidence to suggest that every member of Cerberus has committed a crime worthy of the death penalty? 

the same way Garrus brutally killed a batarian slaver.

I don't recall Garrus ever 'brutally killing' a batarian slaver.

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GodWood wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...
My Shepard is very fond of  the "Pay evil unto Evil" trope and is looking forward to killing members of Cerberus in ME3 and hopes to kill the Illusive man

And why is that?
What has TIM specifically done to warrant torture.
Also do you have sufficient evidence to suggest that every member of Cerberus has committed a crime worthy of the death penalty? 

the same way Garrus brutally killed a batarian slaver.

I don't recall Garrus ever 'brutally killing' a batarian slaver.


His Shadow Broker dossier

Kron Harga (slaver)

    -Gunshot wounds (all extremeties and primary organs)
    -Rifle butt fracture to face
    -Third-degree burns to most of body (explosive crate)




I'll attempt to arrest TIM/most Cerberus operatives if possible (kill them if they resist). I also hope ME3 lets people dismantle Cerberus. Aria gets Kai Leng.

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Barquiel wrote...
I'll attempt to arrest TIM/most Cerberus operatives if possible (kill them if they resist). I also hope ME3 lets people dismantle Cerberus. Aria gets Kai Leng.

Aria the crime lord who feeds humans to hungry krogan?
I'd think she deserves execution even more than Kai Leng does.

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Well, you can always kill her afterwards if you really want to

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This topic is so entertaining:lol:. People's reactions here are priceless. Nonetheless, people here are calling me a paragon. I'm not saying that you are wrong but I think you need to look at the morality of my main Shepard. He started out with +190 Paragon +52 Renegade.

http://www.xfire.com...?view#114174733

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Lol @ OP:
They are evil, so let's be even *more* evil to them!
The OP has some real mental issues, I'll give him that, tho.

I love it when people badmouth Cerberus and yet no one *ever* mentions what the Quarians tried to do to the Geth. "Derp derp, our slave force can think! Let's just kill them all before they have the audacity to demand equal rights!"
"Paragons". Go figure.

Very little of what Cerberus did was ethically correct, but at least their motivations are more noble than the Quarians'. And still, people **** about Cerberus about 1000x more than about those masked mass killers. Again, go figure.

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"The moral event horizon..."

I had no idea that "event horizon" was being used like that!

Did anyone here see the first punisher movie? there is this scene where the punisher gives a bad guy a grenade that is wired to go off if he lowers his arm. I would like to see Shep be able to do something similar to TIM.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Being forced to fight Cerberus, true human patriots and heroes, is the greatest tragedy of Mass Effect.


Being forced to join Cerberus, true xenophobes and sociopaths, is the greatest tragedy of Mass effect.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 04 juin 2011 - 12:48 .


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Bluko wrote...

Oh silly OP you can't dislike or hate Cerberus! They are your friends!
:innocent:

Them trying to kill you in the past on those side missions, killing an innocent Alliance Admiral to maintain secrecy, almost getting you killed/captured in several instances with the Collectors. Oh and those experiments that ended up releasing cloned Rachni and Thorian Creepers on the Galaxy. Absolutely harmless. Studying the effects of Dragon Teeth on human Colonists is cool too. And the Biotic Camps teating children like livestock was necessary too. Injecting Grayson's daughter with funky chemicals to make her more powerful, yet unstable? Totally safe, and did not backfire against Cerberus. Using an autustic savant to control the Geth by hooking him to uncomfortable contrapations? Totally humane.

Also let us not forget Cerberus deliberately lead Alliance marines (along with default Shepard) into a nest of Threwsher Maws to study all that. Not really an issue they just about killed Shepard for science in the first place. Science is important afterall. It's okay to risk lives if it gains you knowledge.

But I trust the Illusive Man explicitly, as Kelly would say. He's the only one trying to get Collector/Reaper Technology *cough* I mean trying to save Colonists from getting abducted by the Collectors. The Alliance are no good dirty rats for not going into the Terminus Systems to save those innocent people with their fleets and starting a galactic war! (That likely would leave Earth utterly unprepared for a Reaper Invasion.) Damn cowardly Anderson trying to take down Cerberus with the Turians. He was totally trying to kill my Shepard I know it! Not that he gave me the Normandy, helped me become a Spectre, or freed the Normandy to stop Saren. No no that's all make-believe.

I believe in the Illusive Man. He's only trying to advance Humanity's position in the galaxy, and certainly not his own, because he is a selfless person who makes hard decisions at his own expense. If sacrificing countless human lives is what it takes, even if for little or no purpose, so be it. Humanity will perserve and become stronger as a result. Cerberus will make us strong! We don't need stinking aliens to help us. None of our technology comes from them or anything! As soon as the Reapers are dead I say either kill or enslave them all. Screw you Wrex, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Thane, Grunt, Samara, Morinth, and Legion. None of you are fit to be in my sight! Crawl on the ground like the alien worms you are! Because you will be once Cerberus leads Humanity and controls the Council!

/sarcasm

I dunno if I'd go so far as to torture Cerberus folk or T.I.M. But I certainly have no qualms punching him in the face or shooting him in the leg. Thanks for reviving me, but you're still little more then a power-hungry megalomaniac wanna-be dictator. I'm going to have pass on that.

Gotta say Cerberus is basically the Galactic Empire in the position of the Rebel Alliance. So why anyone wants to make their Shepard into Darth Vader seems pretty retarded to me. I'd rather be the Emperor if I believed that strongly in Human Imperialism.


Well said...:D