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I hope we get the opportunity to torture and kill Cerberus operatives/Illusive man very horrifically in ME3

Débuté par Markinator_123 , juin 02 2011 04:38

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 08:34

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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i dont get why so many support TIM and dont want him dead. they spent the entirity of ME1 doing bogus experiments on innocent humans, which im sure was all funded by TIM.


He's a patriot and recognizes the threat's lined up against humanity. Whatever his reasons for turning on Shepard in ME3 I'm sure they're good ones.


Patriots are fools that only look at diffrences between people, or in this case, species. Look at Pressly, he is what a true human should be like. The TIM represents the worst aspects of humanity  

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 08:58

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Yeti13 wrote...

Patriots are fools that only look at diffrences between people, or in this case, species. Look at Pressly, he is what a true human should be like. The TIM represents the worst aspects of humanity  


Differences matter. As the saying goes, "Good fences make for good neighbors."

TIM represents all of our best and worst qualities. The good qualities are our drive to succeed, to survive, and our ability to adapt. The bad is perhaps our arrogance, which TIM certainly falls victim to at times.

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 10:02

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thurmanator692 wrote...

This guy is a role model for Paragons everywhere


But don't Paragons usually let criminals go?

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 10:15

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Bad King wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

This guy is a role model for Paragons everywhere


But don't Paragons usually let criminals go?


That's what I thought. But no, it wouldn't make sense for a Renegade to use these means - practical, brutally efficient, and not constrained by morality - to get the job done. No wait...:(

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 10:20

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Bad King wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

This guy is a role model for Paragons everywhere


But don't Paragons usually let criminals go?


I don't.

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 10:21

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xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

I want to go meet him with Miranda. I will be good cop and tell him that he is under arrest, but Miranda being the sexy and wonderful women she is will shoot him. Then she will take over and become the new leader and because Miranda is nice and kick ass, especially if you romance her, Cerberus will aid you and other civilisations and integrate into the Alliance or the Council.


Actually, if Miranda had had her way, Shepard would have a control chip inside him. I'm personally glad TIM was in charge!

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 10:24

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Bad King wrote...

xIxDarkWolfxIx wrote...

I want to go meet him with Miranda. I will be good cop and tell him that he is under arrest, but Miranda being the sexy and wonderful women she is will shoot him. Then she will take over and become the new leader and because Miranda is nice and kick ass, especially if you romance her, Cerberus will aid you and other civilisations and integrate into the Alliance or the Council.


Actually, if Miranda had had her way, Shepard would have a control chip inside him. I'm personally glad TIM was in charge!


Since you bring that up I have to admit Miranda probably wouldn't be a good choice. Taking away another human being's free will away to use him/her as tool for a terrorist organization is disgusting.

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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 11:12

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This topic is so entertaining:lol:. People's reactions here are priceless. Nonetheless, people here are calling me a paragon. I'm not saying that you are wrong but I think you need to look at the morality of my main Shepard. He started out with +190 Paragon +52 Renegade.

http://www.xfire.com...?view#114174733


Doesn't matter what your Shepard's game score is. You're a true Paragon at heart. Anyone who will kill and torture for morality reasons is a Paragon. Anyone who will kill and torture because there's no other way to reach his goal is a Renegade. Renegades do evil because it's necessary. Paragons do evil because it pleases them.


So let me get this straight are you saying that there is idealism in some of the renegade actions? (I'm not saying your right or wrong)


What's a man without a goal? Preservation and advancement of humanity is a noble goal. Destroying the ultimate threat to all life in the galaxy - the Reapers - is a noble goal. The absolute majority of the life forms in the galaxy don't have a goal in their lives at all. Much less a goal of that magnitude. They're simply going through the motions, make no difference whatsoever in the lives, leave no lasting impression on the galaxy, and die just as unnoticed as they were born.

Torturing and killing someone just because their actions disagree with your personal moral code is not what I would call a noble goal. It's certainly weak and pointless in comparision to saving the galaxy. Say, you tortured and killed Cerberus and TIM. Did the galaxy become a better place? Nope, it became empty, because while you were thus distracted, the Reapers wiped out all life.

You may call Shepard who's focused on saving the galaxy idealistic. Perhaps so: but I'd wager trillions of life forms would be grateful for that kind of idealism.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 12:29

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I got a feeling that TIM will side with Shepard at the end of the game and fight the reapers together.

Modifié par Osiris273, 05 juin 2011 - 12:30 .

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 12:38

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Osiris273 wrote...

I got a feeling that TIM will side with Shepard at the end of the game and fight the reapers together.


NOOOOO! No rainbow coalition deus ex machinas please?

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 03:20

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Rekkampum wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

I got a feeling that TIM will side with Shepard at the end of the game and fight the reapers together.


NOOOOO! No rainbow coalition deus ex machinas please?


U SAD BRO? :whistle:

#112
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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 04:22

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I think some of you are being a little hard on Ole Timmy. Have you checked out his Dosi, in the SB Base? The boy has been taggin' everything across the Galaxy, on a reg basis, from Matriarchs to twins to Fornax centerfolds. The later kinda creeps me out. It screams Hanar. Poor Shep is stuck with 1 or 2 maybe, and a cold shower ( Samara ).

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 04:29

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Senior Cinco wrote...

I think some of you are being a little hard on Ole Timmy. Have you checked out his Dosi, in the SB Base? The boy has been taggin' everything across the Galaxy, on a reg basis, from Matriarchs to twins to Fornax centerfolds. The later kinda creeps me out. It screams Hanar. Poor Shep is stuck with 1 or 2 maybe, and a cold shower ( Samara ).


All the TIM hate stems from envy and jealousy of his legendary mackin' skills.

Image IPB

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 04:50

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@Seboist: That pic is clasic.

@Everybody calling Cerb terrorists:

Terrorism - The use of violence and threats, to pose and or strike fear for political purposes.

Where has this act been committed?

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 04:53

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Senior Cinco wrote...

@Everybody calling Cerb terrorists:

Terrorism - The use of violence and threats, to pose and or strike fear for political purposes.

Where has this act been committed?

Trident, Thessia, and Earth.  I suppose the Shadow Broker's dossier could be a complete fabrication, but it seems unlikely.

#116
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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 05:31

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Why the TIM hate?
I kinda like the guy.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 05:35

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It's my idealistic nature that led me to appreciate Cerberus in the first place. They were literally the only ones doing anything about the missing colonies. And while a non-human council can't be expected to take care of our problems, the Alliance sure as hell should. But noooooo, they only start sending people to investigate after Cerberus involvement is suspected! Don't even get me started on the Reaper thing.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 05:42

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daqs wrote...
Trident, Thessia, and Earth.  I suppose the Shadow Broker's dossier could be a complete fabrication, but it seems unlikely.


Those acts were probably not humane, but none the less were for reasons other than political. What were the acts of this terrorism. As it is co-called. Please respond in detail as how it's related to politics.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 12:34

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I think that's a bit extreme, etc, but I like the idea of something being done, as it that would have its merits.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 01:38

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After Akuze, it would be poetic justice for TIM to be eaten by thresher maws...

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 01:44

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It's Martin ****ing Sheen, guys! How on earth could you hate him?

#122
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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 02:00

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I hope he kills himself, that would be the best way for him to go

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 02:41

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Differences matter. As the saying goes, "Good fences make for good neighbors."

TIM represents all of our best and worst qualities. The good qualities are our drive to succeed, to survive, and our ability to adapt. The bad is perhaps our arrogance, which TIM certainly falls victim to at times.


Good fences do make good neighbors, but good (and mostly open) gates make good economies. Adapting to false threats out of fear likewise tends to be a waste of resources.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 06:46

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Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization but more akin to the CIA or a black ops organization that I bet multiple species in Mass Effect have. Hell the Spectres likely have much much much bigger body count then Cerberus will ever have. The Salarian STG definitely does because of the Genophage.

The main difference between them and other black ops groups is that Cerberus isn't backed by any government.

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Posté 05 juin 2011 - 07:30

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Moiaussi wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Differences matter. As the saying goes, "Good fences make for good neighbors."

TIM represents all of our best and worst qualities. The good qualities are our drive to succeed, to survive, and our ability to adapt. The bad is perhaps our arrogance, which TIM certainly falls victim to at times.


Good fences do make good neighbors, but good (and mostly open) gates make good economies. Adapting to false threats out of fear likewise tends to be a waste of resources.


Are they false threats though?  We see, through history, how the Council deals with problem species.  We've seen how quickly they'll turn on and abandon their allies.  How they'll let other species spend resources dealing with galactic threats until they reach their doorstep.  How they turn a blind eye to the criminal behaviours of their agents.  Can you honestly say we can trust them?
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