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[Phoenix_Loftian]

It IS possible that, instead of being a Chantry plant in Origins, she's spying on the Divine for someone else.

I don't know, just a thought...

The easiest answer would be for Fereldan since she considers it her true home and depending on how you played Origins (assuming you didn't kill her) there could be many reasons for that.

Heck, she could be spying for the Grey Wardens or even the Warden him/herself.

Her being in Kirkwall could just be keeping up appearances to prove her loyalty to the Chantry. The Warden's 'disappearance' could all be part of her and the Warden's plan for something. I mean, I suppose the world wouldn't feel the need for Grey Wardens with the Blight over and done with. At least, a large number of them.

Amaranthine was their first try at taking a more active role in Thedas politics and they might be trying to conquer more ground as Riordan suggested they had a significant amount of power in Orlais, the country known for political assassinations left and right.

Weissaupt could be desiring a more significant role what with the Mage rebellion and the Chantry completely losing order over a a situation that was bound to deteriorate for one reason or another. Even the Wardens can't ignore what's happening at this point and it's obvious that there is something strange going on that th Warden's are looking into.

My guess is that they're looking for that damned idol since it resonates the same 'beautiful voice' that the Darkspawn and the Wardens during their Calling hear. According to Avernus's notes, it comes from the Fade itself. Having an idol like that to permanently control the Dawkspawn would be useful.

Back to the original point: Leliana could honestly be spying ON the Chantry and not FOR the Chantry. After all, maybe the Warden is hiding and assigned Leliana as a spy to find out any secret information pertinant to what ever the Warden is doing... of course the Orlesian Warden arguably destroys this theory... however! They're both from Orlais so maybe the Orlesian Warden could have contracted her because of her skills during the Blight.

Again, all just a bunch of possibilities.

[Fredericol]

Highly doubt it, since she was very much into the chantry doctrine in DAO and never left it.

[Cutlass Jack]

I never felt she was a chantry plant in Origins. More that she went into service to the Chantry as a spy in the years following Origins. A chance to mix her previous life with a bard with her later devotion to the Maker.

Also remember, she's friends with the current Divine, Whom she met during Leliana's Song. So I don't think she'd be spying on her as much as recruited for her skills and friendship. Feels unlikely to me. But should be interesting to find out.

[Rifneno]

Also, note that the revered mother who saved her in Leliana's Song is the new Divine. I highly, highly doubt she's just playing her.

Edit:  Damnit, ninja'd!  Anyway, no she's definitely playing somebody.  Or she's incompetent to the point it's surprising she can drool in a cup.  There's no frickin' way she didn't notice Meredith's abuses by the time she told Hawke to get Elthina out of dodge before the Chantry's merry band of facists comes to crush Kirkwall and its whiny bunch of mages.  Big babies, complaining about rape and murder.  Pfft.  But I digress...  She shows a RADICAL change in personality from DAO.  Either she was playing someone or Act III makes even less sense than we thought.  In which case, I'm really starting to worry that the digital brain poison known as Act III might be weaponized or something.

Modifié par Rifneno, 06 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[TEWR]

I seem to recall at the end of Origins she said that she was called to the Divine's side to start working for her.

Not sure though....

[Cutlass Jack]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I seem to recall at the end of Origins she said that she was called to the Divine's side to start working for her.

Not sure though....

It was one of her possible endings. (I believe if Marjolaine is dead and she's not your LI) Unfortunately she has other endings where that's not the case. Sadly mine was one of those...where she wandered the world with my Warden.

But that ending was tossed in the trash by Awakening.

[TEWR]

I hate what Awakening did to the LIs....

"Here's a letter! Now STFU!"

[Wulfram]

Leliana is a born again Andrastean, and she believes in the Chantry even if she doesn't necessarily always agree with it.

[Rifneno]

Wulfram wrote...

Leliana is a born again Andrastean, and she believes in the Chantry even if she doesn't necessarily always agree with it.

If it was that simple, she would've done something about Meredith instead of blaming it all on the mages.  If she didn't notice Meredith's methods were behind the rebellions then it's a wonder they let her play with sissors let alone daggers.  Especially since the Seekers are essentially the Chantry's internal affairs division.

[Beerfish]

Leliana scares me, too much power and rising up the ranks for someone that may very well have a screw loose.

[Rifneno]

Beerfish wrote...

Leliana scares me, too much power and rising up the ranks for someone that may very well have a screw loose.

May?  She thinks God talks to her through plants. 

[Beerfish]

Rifneno wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Leliana scares me, too much power and rising up the ranks for someone that may very well have a screw loose.

May?  She thinks God talks to her through plants. 

Well being in this genre there is always the slim chance that she is correct and is some kind of prophet.

[sphinxess]

Whatever she was doing - the seekers did a crappy job in helping to fix problems in Kirkwall during their visit

[Wulfram]

Rifneno wrote...

If it was that simple, she would've done something about Meredith instead of blaming it all on the mages.  If she didn't notice Meredith's methods were behind the rebellions then it's a wonder they let her play with sissors let alone daggers.  Especially since the Seekers are essentially the Chantry's internal affairs division.

Leliana wasn't necessarily a Seeker at the time.  Given how near the Templars are to revolt against the Chantry by Act 3, being close to the Divine wouldn't necessarily get you a whole amount of respect with them.

Meredith's methods weren't the only problem, anyway, and getting rid of her wouldn't have automatically fixed things.

[Rifneno]

It's pretty incredible how no part of the Chantry can be held responsible for being terrible at their job because some of the templars may or may not revolt if they tried to uphold their own laws.

[Wulfram]

The seekers and the chantry as a whole definitely seem to have failed in their role of overseeing the Templars. But that doesn't mean we can assign blame to Leliana based on her having briefly passed through Kirkwall while engaged in what appears to be an ongoing conflict against against an international band of bloodmage terrorists.

[Huntress]

Leliana is not guilty of anything, she is working for someone/something she believe in, is like telling the Qun that, kuslan/koslan is a wierdo, you can get kill by such a talks

Any way I think is a good twist sadly DA2 doens't have good ends.. for anyone really, lets hope it gets better with DLC or expantion because, am getting so tired of no getting answers from either DAO or DA2 and going around in circle is not my thing.

[Rithmerdui]

It was dangerous business she was doing(As a spy and that), Leliana let it go into her past. She didnt want to become like Marjolaine.
Leliana said "I'm not your mirror" to Marjolaine. (When they encounter at the end of Leliana's song)
Leliana didnt want to continue that line of work since Marjolaine betrayed her, and branded her enemy of Orlais(Temporary). She lost everything because of Marjolaine.
She then joined the chantry to penance for her bad deeds. She seem to be a strong believer and wouldnt betray the Chantry even if the Warden would ask her to. She regret anything bad she does anyhow, she wouldnt be able to do such things.
Besides she left the spy operations behind her.(She wanted to forget that life)

Modifié par Nemeriss, 11 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[Tirfan]

Leliana is dead, dead, she had her head chopped off by the warden.. and still she appears at the end of DA2.. makes me just sad and I never get tired of pointing this out. Altough - if I'm given the chance to decapitate her again I'm all for it.

[Get Magna Carter]

Rifneno wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Leliana scares me, too much power and rising up the ranks for someone that may very well have a screw loose.

May?  She thinks God talks to her through plants. 

correction - she likes to imagine that the Maker causes flowers to grow as messages to her - however, she doesn't really believe he does

(..and how can we be sure that he doesn't?) 

[HSHAW]

Tirfan wrote...

Leliana is dead, dead, she had her head chopped off by the warden.. and still she appears at the end of DA2.. makes me just sad and I never get tired of pointing this out. Altough - if I'm given the chance to decapitate her again I'm all for it.

You could behead mind controlled Teagan and he would get up perfectly fine 5 seconds later, beheadings in DA appear to be significantly less lethal than in real life.

[Raygereio]

HSHAW wrote...
You could behead mind controlled Teagan and he would get up perfectly fine 5 seconds later, beheadings in DA appear to be significantly less lethal than in real life.

That's just gameplay and story segregation. It also doesn't make any sens how at any point anyone is killed on your team during combat they're fine afterwards, but this doesn't happen for the enemy's team and for some reason this power is disabled during cutscenes (though concerning the latter I do got a chuckle out of Mommy Hawke's lampshading of that).

[HSHAW]

Raygereio wrote...

HSHAW wrote...
You could behead mind controlled Teagan and he would get up perfectly fine 5 seconds later, beheadings in DA appear to be significantly less lethal than in real life.

That's just gameplay and story segregation. It also doesn't make any sens how at any point anyone is killed on your team during combat they're fine afterwards, but this doesn't happen for the enemy's team and for some reason this power is disabled during cutscenes (though concerning the latter I do got a chuckle out of Mommy Hawke's lampshading of that).

That's the point, in gameplay Teagan and Leliana were beheaded, in story, Teagan was beaten without killing him and Leliana was seriously wounded and left for dead.

[Sajuro]

Tirfan wrote...

Leliana is dead, dead, she had her head chopped off by the warden.. and still she appears at the end of DA2.. makes me just sad and I never get tired of pointing this out. Altough - if I'm given the chance to decapitate her again I'm all for it.

Her body was recovered and through a combination of science and blood magic, she was brought back by the Andraste Project.

[lobi]

Sajuro wrote...

Tirfan wrote...

Leliana is dead, dead, she had her head chopped off by the warden.. and still she appears at the end of DA2.. makes me just sad and I never get tired of pointing this out. Altough - if I'm given the chance to decapitate her again I'm all for it.

Her body was recovered and through a combination of science and blood magic, she was brought back by the Andraste Project.

Only Tevinter can provide the funding and logistical support for her to accomplish the impossible.