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[k177sh0t]

Thread is not meant to bash @ BioWare, but im a bit shocked BioWare wasnt even included.

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Modifié par k177sh0t, 03 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[Khayness]

Raided by 4chan, must be.

It's good to see that not everyone forgot the spectacular DA:O DLC fiascos.

[Aaleel]

"It seems impossible. On face value, this one of those rare occasions
when the statistics aren't telling the entire truth, surely? After all,
the Canadian development powerhouse last year shot to the Metacritic
heavens with Mass Effect 2 - a game that perfected the western RPG model
as it exists today, a game that embodies the EA 'quality first' credo, a
game with outstanding writing standards and, often, galaxy-sized scope.

Sorry if this is off topic but I couldn't get past this line.  Now I like Mass Effect 2, but I don't know if I would go this far.

On topic though it may be a sign of their brand name as a whole losing value.  They really need to start acting like Bioware the "mom and pop store" again and not Bioware the " national chain store"

[LTD]

I'm sure we all can agree around 85% of all DLC BW has ever released  has been nothing but terrible waste of time and money. I'm counting grand total of two genuinely good DLCs that improve or complement their host game. Two out of..what, 20? *Nerd rage increasing*

With hordes of god awful DLCs  showeled on other scale and ME2 placed on the other, latter does have far more weight I says. With that in mind,excluding BW from a top 100 listing such as this is a statement rather than some sort of a carefully considered academic objective truth from heaven....
...statement I fully agree with:l

Ultimately, I blame and hate you and me:l  We should just stop buying ****ty DLC:l ME2's Arrival  was first time I actually manage to skip a content-oriented DLC based on reviews alone. Took me long enough to learn me lesson:l
To my defense I had the wits to stay the hell away from most of DA's DLCs initially but since I somehow ended yup buying Ultimate Edition I'm not exactly off the hook there:l

Modifié par LTD, 03 juin 2011 - 04:02 .

[amcnow]

Why isn't BioWare apart of the top 100? They do a subpar job of bug fixes. If they did a more credible job of this, then they'd easily crack the top 50 (let alone the top 100).

[ink07]

Seems about right. Their output has been ****** poor for quite a while now: DA:O DLC is a mess, ME 2 DLC was horrible with a few exceptions and DA2 was utter trash, and if I am reading this correctly this only accounts for 2010, so 2011 will be no better from them.

Wake up call?

[Chromie]

LTD wrote...


I'm sure we all can agree around 85% of all DLC BW has ever released  has been nothing but terrible waste of time and money. I'm counting grand total of two genuinely good DLCs that improve or complement their host game. Two out of..what, 20? *Nerd rage increasing*

What? All the DLC for ME2, the missions I mean, are great! Arrival may be my least favorite but it's not bad.

If your talking about DA dlc then yea it's all bad. Shale was ok and I got her for free. All the other dlc was pretty bad.

[LTD]

Ringo12 wrote...

LTD wrote...


I'm sure we all can agree around 85% of all DLC BW has ever released  has been nothing but terrible waste of time and money. I'm counting grand total of two genuinely good DLCs that improve or complement their host game. Two out of..what, 20? *Nerd rage increasing*

What? All the DLC for ME2, the missions I mean, are great! Arrival may be my least favorite but it's not bad.

If your talking about DA dlc then yea it's all bad. Shale was ok and I got her for free. All the other dlc was pretty bad.

Yas, two ME2's DLCs make that 15% Hum okay yeah right fine, three! Stolen Memory was okay too, despite having that nasty..cheap vibe going. Also, I refuse to count DLC content that was created during the original development push and then simply cut off from the actual game and offered as " first buyer's free exclusive"or whatnot. (=Shale,Warden's Keep..) It always came off as incredibly shady thing to do.. but that just might be a matter for another topic.

Modifié par LTD, 03 juin 2011 - 04:08 .

[outlaw1109]

hard to look at this objectively, but in a list that features an iPhone game developer at #3, it's hard to take it seriously. Not to mention the inaccuracy of Metacritic, which I don't want to argue over (it's been done to death on these boards) but comparing any of the Dragon age series to "Cut the Rope" is just...silly.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of DA2, I would venture to say that I don't like it, but I'd rather play it than a game on my phone. Bugs or no....

Modifié par outlaw1109, 03 juin 2011 - 04:14 .

[ink07]

outlaw1109 wrote...

it's hard to take it seriously. Not to mention the inaccuracy of Metacritic, which I don't want to argue over

It is the same measuring stick devs use though. Dev time, budgets, bonuses and product greenlighting all are decided within the industry by taking metacritic very seriously.

So iOS and DD games shouldn't count just because you don't play them? Millions of people do an rate them accordingly.

[outlaw1109]

No, I'm not saying I don't play them, and I'm not saying that they're no good on the own merits, but comparing them to something that takes a year and half (or, in Origins case 6 years) and includes multiple consoles is (for lack of a better word) silly. I'm not taking their part or anything, Bioware is in decline, but rate them next to their peer studios that have the longer dev cycles. Of course a smaller dev, who pumps out mobile games like rabbits, is going to do better. Their "da2" is forgotten about in a short timespan. Bioware's mistakes, however, take longer to make up for.


Not getting into it over metacritic, though.

Modifié par outlaw1109, 03 juin 2011 - 04:28 .

[Persephone]

Given some of the names/studios supposedly superior to Bioware, all I can say is this:

Whatever.

[AlexMBrennan]

An interesting development. Personally I have heard of about ~10 names on the top 100 list so that seems a bit harsh (Straandlooper? How did they make the top 100 when they're not able to make a simple website*)

* shockwave nonsense - no accessibility or backwards compatibility i.e. bad engineering.

[syllogi]

"It seems impossible. On face value, this one of those rare occasions when the statistics aren't telling the entire truth, surely? After all, the Canadian development powerhouse last year shot to the Metacritic heavens with Mass Effect 2 - a game that perfected the western RPG model as it exists today, a game that embodies the EA 'quality first' credo, a game with outstanding writing standards and, often, galaxy-sized scope.

"It is a long-debated principle that a civilisation shouldn't be measured solely by its most prosperous. Even in the often asinine culture of game development, we think the same attitude should be applied to game studios.

"The truth: BioWare made poor content in 2010. Its Dragon Age Origins DLC policy was an unequivocal mess. A disaster. A monetisation strategy built on boredom. A year-long scattering of digital content that, much to the relief of EA, doesn't come attached with a refund policy.

"The nine Dragon Age Origins DLC packs carry the same creator's name as Mass Effect 2 - a brand which people understandably trust. As such, all releases under that name have been included in BioWare's Metacritic average. It's the same policy for all studios.

"The numbers hurt, but they don't lie. They refuse to romanticise a studio that, clearly in some respects, is on top of its game.

"Ultimately, BioWare itself doesn't want to be the company that produced only one good product in 2010. No group of astoundingly creative people want that. Studios desire perfection across the board, not fifteen minutes of fame from a single stand-out game.

"Ultimately, when the scores are settled, that's what Develop 100 represents today."

Eh. This is an understandable position. Not being in the top 300, though...that seems a little extreme.

Well, there's always 2012 to look forward to.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, how the list was developed is a bit circumspect, but the point stands on how most of the Origins DLC was mediocre at best and a way to milk the game for all its worth.

Mind you this list is only 2010 too, so its not even taking into account DA2.

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm never heard of most of those devs on the list or the people who wrote it.

So yeah I'll wait till IGN or game faqs or game infromer or someone that remotely matters makes a list.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Derek Acorah Games Studios made the list?
Blue Carrot Games? Who the **** are they?
**** Man Studios?
Give You Head Good Time? WTF?
HAL Labs?
Armor Games? Flash Game developer?

This list is bull****.

[outlaw1109]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Derek Acorah Games Studios made the list?
Blue Carrot Games? Who the **** are they?
**** Man Studios?
Give You Head Good Time? WTF?
HAL Labs?
Armor Games? Flash Game developer?

I didn't know there was a flash game dev on there....

That's just...sad.  Why bother?  It isn't even like comparing apples to oranges...it's like comparing cookie dough to maple trees.

I'm sure that these are all good studios, but this list fails in so many ways...then again...this is part of the reason we got 'streamlined' in DA2.  Since Bioware is showing an interest in going mainstream, I wonder if a DA mobile game is in the works...

Almost like parasite eve and how they made it into a mobile game.... 

[Fiery Phoenix]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Hmm never heard of most of those devs on the list or the people who wrote it.

So yeah I'll wait till IGN or game faqs or game infromer or someone that remotely matters makes a list.

+1

[barenas]

What criteria do they use for these types of lists? Are there lists for other industries as well, such as car manufacturing?

[MDT1]

I'd say it was well deserved.
DAO DLC was crap and I'm glad I could stop myself from buying most of it, while regretting thos I bought. It shouldn't be a surprise to BW that money-milk dlc gets poor scores.

[Shirosaki17]

Aaleel wrote...

"It seems impossible. On face value, this one of those rare occasions
when the statistics aren't telling the entire truth, surely? After all,
the Canadian development powerhouse last year shot to the Metacritic
heavens with Mass Effect 2 - a game that perfected the western RPG model
as it exists today, a game that embodies the EA 'quality first' credo, a
game with outstanding writing standards and, often, galaxy-sized scope.

Sorry if this is off topic but I couldn't get past this line.  Now I like Mass Effect 2, but I don't know if I would go this far.

On topic though it may be a sign of their brand name as a whole losing value.  They really need to start acting like Bioware the "mom and pop store" again and not Bioware the " national chain store"

That line is pretty awful. If that's the new RPG model, I'm not going to be playing RPGs anymore. ME2 is a shooter with some interesting powers to use inbetween, but it really isn't a very good RPG because it lacks good RP elements and the ones they have are very, very shallow. Also the same model failed for DA2.

Since ME3 isn't coming until 2012, Bioware are going to fall even further down the list for DA2.

[AlexMBrennan]

DA: Legends is a Facebook based game (well, I can't really tell since I'd need a Facebook account) and as such is pretty mobile

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 03 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[aftohsix]

Khayness wrote...

Raided by 4chan, must be.

It's good to see that not everyone forgot the spectacular DA:O DLC fiascos.

Remember when I asked if you ever added anything constructive to discussions?  You're really proving me wrong.

This comes AGAIN to Metacritic as the "proof" for criticism...  Metacritic is a joke.  Thankfully I as a consumer am smart enough to decide which developers are worth my time and which are not.  I don't need to rely on reviews and lists such as this to make my decisions.