68 réponses à ce sujet

[The Spamming Troll]

bioware didnt put much thought into ALL of ME2, not just the soldier and its lack of active abilities.

i dont htink the soldier shouldnt have potential to CC enemies. thats the adepts job......although stasis on a soldier dominates anything an adept can do.

[SLooPPy JOE]

I guess the soldier is lacking in crowd control compared to say, an adept. But crowd control isn't the purpose of a soldier. I see the soldier as someone who draws enemy fire, deals damage back with a variety of weapons, and also as somewhat of a leader of the squad (squad ammo powers and such). So personally I don't have a problem with the soldier having less CC powers.

Still have you tried Heightened Adrenaline Rush + Reverent + Inc. ammo? The rate of fire, and the short CC from the Inc. ammo should be enough to take down 2 or 3 grunt enemies on most difficulties.

[Someone With Mass]

I think Soldier is boring as hell because of the lack of any strategy whatsoever beyond "Activate Adrenaline Rush and shoot everything until it's dead."

[kstarler]

I don't believe that the Soldier is overrated at all. Overpowered, perhaps, but not overrated. Personally, I'm glad that the Soldier doesn't play like the Adept or Engineer, for example, because it's nice to have some very straight forward classes (Soldier, Vanguard), some tactical classes (Adept, Engineer) and some classes that can go either way (Sentinel, Infiltrator). I can safely say that I have enjoyed each class through all of ME2, and I'm glad that they didn't all require precise power usage and timing.

I'm not sure what difficulty you are playing on, but you might try playing the Soldier in a more aggressive manner, especially if you are playing on Insanity. Insanity really does reward movement-based rather than cover-based shooting.

Some other pointers: If you find Cryo ammo preferable, I would suggest ignoring your passive to pick squad Cryo ammo up first (along with ARush), and using Jacob or Grunt to provide squad Incendiary ammo until you can level it yourself.

EDIT: By the way, a good video for seeing just what the Soldier can do when played aggressively can be found at http://www.youtube.c...31/Y9CuB5uDnsk.

Modifié par kstarler, 03 juin 2011 - 09:22 .

[Aimi]

SLooPPy JOE wrote...

Still have you tried Heightened Adrenaline Rush + Reverent + Inc. ammo? The rate of fire, and the short CC from the Inc. ammo should be enough to take down 2 or 3 grunt enemies on most difficulties.

No, not Heightened, but Hardened.  Heightened has very bad synergy with the Revenant in terms of RoF, while Hardened makes aggressive play easier by limiting damage done to health.  Heightened works best with the Widow/Mattock Soldier.

[Ahglock]

daqs wrote...

SLooPPy JOE wrote...

Still have you tried Heightened Adrenaline Rush + Reverent + Inc. ammo? The rate of fire, and the short CC from the Inc. ammo should be enough to take down 2 or 3 grunt enemies on most difficulties.

No, not Heightened, but Hardened.  Heightened has very bad synergy with the Revenant in terms of RoF, while Hardened makes aggressive play easier by limiting damage done to health.  Heightened works best with the Widow/Mattock Soldier.

I disagree.  Yeah heightened's speed does not mesh perfectly with the revenant, but the speed effectively reduces the damage you take almost as much as what hardened does and your damage per bullet is higher.  Both are stupidly overpowered but I pretty much always get more bang for my buck out of heightened.  

[Kronner]

Sounds like Soldier is something you were not expecting, rather than overrated class.

Why would you CC as a Soldier, there are other classes for that, so everyone will pick their favourite.

[Aimi]

Ahglock wrote...

I disagree.  Yeah heightened's speed does not mesh perfectly with the revenant, but the speed effectively reduces the damage you take almost as much as what hardened does and your damage per bullet is higher.  Both are stupidly overpowered but I pretty much always get more bang for my buck out of heightened.  

But the point of Hardened over Heightened is not that you're getting more bang for your buck, it's that you're getting a whole lot of bang and a whole lot of buck.  Heightened lacks the latter.  I'm pretty sure total damage done under AR for the Revenant is higher under Hardened than Heightened.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^Yup, Hardened allows for more bullets, which, although recieve a smaller individual bonus, do more damage in total. This is why it's said, "Heightened is for Widow/Claymore, Hardened is for Revenant", because single shot guns benefit from a larger single bonus, while rapid fire guns benefit from a longer duration that allows for more shots.

The only exception to this I think is the Mattock. IIRC, it's possible to empty out a whole clip, or much of a whole clip in either ARush, so it recieves a similar enough bonus under either evolution, or something like that.

[Ahglock]

daqs wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

I disagree.  Yeah heightened's speed does not mesh perfectly with the revenant, but the speed effectively reduces the damage you take almost as much as what hardened does and your damage per bullet is higher.  Both are stupidly overpowered but I pretty much always get more bang for my buck out of heightened.  

But the point of Hardened over Heightened is not that you're getting more bang for your buck, it's that you're getting a whole lot of bang and a whole lot of buck.  Heightened lacks the latter.  I'm pretty sure total damage done under AR for the Revenant is higher under Hardened than Heightened.

I think it really depends on how you are calculating the damage.  Due to ROF caps heightened looses a bit of its total possible damage.  So its per second damage is less, but you get more seconds with heightened, just not all you normally would.  Hardened per second damage though barely gets it even with heightened 40% larger dmg increase. Add in extra movement and I think heightened wins out overall, even if you are a bit more durable with hardened.  They are stupidly close in effectiveness.  One thing I hope ME3 does(and they calim they are) is make evolutions more distinct.   But hey if you have seen some tests on it, I'd be happy to see them.  all I can go on is the wikia and my own persoanl observations.  

[PrinceLionheart]

I think the problem with ME2!Soldier was it doesn't necessary have a niche like it did in the first game. ME1!Soldier was the Tank that could take a lot of abuse and stay out of cover. To me, the same should have applied to Soldier here.

[Clonedzero]

overrated? i dont see everyone rating the soldier super high lol

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^That's b/c ppl say it's overpowered. OP is trying to say it isn't as overpowered as the hype makes it sound.

[CajNatalie]

I consider the Soldier class boring relative to other classes.
Not literally boring... I enjoy playing them... just relatively speaking.

All they do is shoot things.
I like to be able to make things explode or go flying along side the shooting... hence why Infiltrator and Vanguard are my top classes. They're great at shooting things AND casting.

[Clonedzero]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

^That's b/c ppl say it's overpowered. OP is trying to say it isn't as overpowered as the hype makes it sound.

oh, well in that case i dunno.

its a really strong class for just general purpose play. ammo for every situation. AR is a fantastic ability that's useful in all situations. access to all the best weapons.

its greatest strength is its lack of any real weaknesses.

[termokanden]

You can't expect the soldier class to have insane damage output (that is its specialty by the way) and still be a tank. How easy do you want the game to be anyway?

Instead of being rushed by groups of enemies and being forced to flee, you're supposed to use Adrenaline Rush to take them out much earlier. A soldier rarely has to retreat simply because of their insane firepower.

I've called soldiers overpowered in the past. Maybe it's not the right word. I just find it too easy to spam Adrenaline Rush and get through everything that way without challenge.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

The Soldier still is a tank though, in much of the traditional sense. In that way, only the Sentinel beats it out. Vanguards can be *tougher* too, but only in the sense of its shield recharge and its instant attack/escape mechanism, which isn't quite the traditional kind of tank at all.

[Burnsbabe]

lightsnow13 wrote...

 Don't get my wrong. I love the soldier class. It was my first class in both ME1 and ME2 and will probably be for ME3. 

I guess I just want SOMEthing for the soldier class because adrenaline rush is really overrated. It obviously has it's uses but when there are 3-4 enemies swarming your location you have to run back and hope you make it to cover before the timer runs out on your AR. I also think the idea of "ammo" as a power is pathetic. It's almost like a cop-out they didn't want to put much thought into a soldier. His weapons can't save him from everything.

I think giving the soldier powers that would result in CC, etc. would result in a class that isn't the soldier if you know what I mean. I would however agree that there are lots of other options outside of ammo powers (which I won't get into so we don't derail). Bringing Carnage back is a place to start. I think providing at least soldier (and maybe another class or two) with some kind of passive enhanced armor would be great too a la Warriors vs Casters. The trick here is avoiding the armor switching in any sort of crazy menu like ME1.

kstarler wrote...
By the way, a good video for seeing just what the Soldier can do when played aggressively can be found athttp://www.youtube.c...31/Y9CuB5uDnsk.

Just fair warning, this video is at the start of Lair of the Shadow Broker. Possible spoilers.

[F00lishG]

I agree that the ammo powers is a cop out, and Solder wasn't as much fun as other classes in ME2, but I have no problem with the Solder only able to shoot things. There's Vanguards and Infiltrators if you want a Solder with a bit more bite. Now what would have made Solder worth playing in ME2 would be if he was given temporary status buffs as powers.

1. Keep the Adrenaline Rush.
2. Bring back Immunity.
3. Give Solder a buff that increases storm speed distance, lowers fatigue, and triples the speed of reloading weapons.
4. Give a buff that prevents stagger and ups Melee strength.
5. Give a buff that increases accuracy and weapon stability by a large margin
6. Place the Ammo Powers and Concussive Shots to the side, and allow Solder to carry the SMG.

[Bozorgmehr]

F00lishG wrote...

I agree that the ammo powers is a cop out, and Solder wasn't as much fun as other classes in ME2, but I have no problem with the Solder only able to shoot things. There's Vanguards and Infiltrators if you want a Solder with a bit more bite. Now what would have made Solder worth playing in ME2 would be if he was given temporary status buffs as powers.

1. Keep the Adrenaline Rush.
2. Bring back Immunity.
3. Give Solder a buff that increases storm speed distance, lowers fatigue, and triples the speed of reloading weapons.
4. Give a buff that prevents stagger and ups Melee strength.
5. Give a buff that increases accuracy and weapon stability by a large margin
6. Place the Ammo Powers and Concussive Shots to the side, and allow Solder to carry the SMG.

I would call this GOD mode - are you aware that ARush already grants a huge damage bonus; 50-70% time dilation makes it almost impossible to miss; melee already inflicts massive damage and combined with ARush you can easily beat most enemies to death (Mike T Shepard FTW).

[F00lishG]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

I agree that the ammo powers is a cop out, and Solder wasn't as much fun as other classes in ME2, but I have no problem with the Solder only able to shoot things. There's Vanguards and Infiltrators if you want a Solder with a bit more bite. Now what would have made Solder worth playing in ME2 would be if he was given temporary status buffs as powers.

1. Keep the Adrenaline Rush.
2. Bring back Immunity.
3. Give Solder a buff that increases storm speed distance, lowers fatigue, and triples the speed of reloading weapons.
4. Give a buff that prevents stagger and ups Melee strength.
5. Give a buff that increases accuracy and weapon stability by a large margin
6. Place the Ammo Powers and Concussive Shots to the side, and allow Solder to carry the SMG.

I would call this GOD mode - are you aware that ARush already grants a huge damage bonus; 50-70% time dilation makes it almost impossible to miss; melee already inflicts massive damage and combined with ARush you can easily beat most enemies to death (Mike T Shepard FTW).

oh yeah. I guess an Accuracy Boost and Strength Boost would be too much then.

Modifié par F00lishG, 04 juin 2011 - 06:09 .