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[Oblivious]

SalsaDMA wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Just interesting people seem to be focusing on the whole breast thing as an acceptable benchmark, so just as an alternate question, do you think the only side boob could possibly work or do you think the frontal breasts but nothing else, is still acceptable?

People can go to the beach like that without being acused of 'engaging in porn activities', so why not?

That's odd. Somebody with common sense. Careful, the ignorant might burn you.

[Dangerfoot]

I saw an exposed breasts at a young age and it pretty much scarred me for life. I am now a sociopath that only feels something when I look at objects that closely resemble breasts, at which point I break down into violent sobbing. So please, don't show your children breasts.

Or butts. Don't get me started on what butts have done to my fragile psyche.

[Narosian]

 When I see this title I can't but think of peter griffin's side boob hour.

[BubbleSauce]

SalsaDMA wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Just interesting people seem to be focusing on the whole breast thing as an acceptable benchmark, so just as an alternate question, do you think the only side boob could possibly work or do you think the frontal breasts but nothing else, is still acceptable?

People can go to the beach like that without being acused of 'engaging in porn activities', so why not?

I've never seen anyone on a beach fully revealing their breasts, then again I live in nothern Ireland and it never stops raining and/or snowing so it's also fair to say that I've never seen anyone on a beach...

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 05 juin 2011 - 01:57 .

[Trickybam]

THERE IS TWO SIMPLE RULES

1, "There is no such thing as enough side boob."

2m " If there's nipple, its no longer sideboob "

[Trickybam]

Narosian wrote...

 When I see this title I can't but think of peter griffin's side boob hour.

LOL just not Peter's side boob

[Ghost Warrior]

BubbleSauce wrote...


I've never seen anyone on a beach fully revealing their breasts, then again I live in nothern Ireland and it never stops raining and/or snowing so it's also fair to say that I've never seen anyone on a beach...

Oh believe me,they do. Not rarely.

[Xeranx]

Read the OP, but haven't read the rest of the thread.

I did read a bit about the article on games radar and the part I agree with is I want them to not care about "freaking people out". I think, more than anything, that's why people are praising The Witcher 2.

The scene in TW2 isn't pornographic at all. It's this type of thinking that has allowed gaming to remain "a kid thing" when stats would show that it's the adults who do most of the purchasing. Gaming is being forced to remain child-like rather being allowed to grow with its customers.

So yes, I praise CD Projekt for having the will to show that gaming isn't just for kids. That in the same way that you'll have G-rated movies through R-rated movies, you'll have E-rated games through M-rated games.

[BubbleSauce]

Xeranx wrote...

Read the OP, but haven't read the rest of the thread.

I did read a bit about the article on games radar and the part I agree with is I want them to not care about "freaking people out". I think, more than anything, that's why people are praising The Witcher 2.

The scene in TW2 isn't pornographic at all. It's this type of thinking that has allowed gaming to remain "a kid thing" when stats would show that it's the adults who do most of the purchasing. Gaming is being forced to remain child-like rather being allowed to grow with its customers.

So yes, I praise CD Projekt for having the will to show that gaming isn't just for kids. That in the same way that you'll have G-rated movies through R-rated movies, you'll have E-rated games through M-rated games.

Maybe calling it soft-core pornography was too far, but my main problem was that as far as I can tell, it didn't need to be there, like I said a romance shouldn't validate a sex scene, a sex scene should validate a romance, however the witcher 2 didn't have a romance to validate, and therefore, to me it just seems as though it was there for the sake of eyecandy, which is why I went as far as describing it as soft-core pornography.

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 05 juin 2011 - 04:29 .

[Xeranx]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe calling it soft-core pornography was too far, but my main problem was that as far as I can tell, it didn't need to be there, like I said a romance shouldn't validate a sex scene, a sex scene should validate a romance, however the witcher 2 didn't have a romance to validate, and therefore, to me it just seems as though it was there for the sake of eyecandy, which is why I went as far as describing it as soft-core pornography.

I understand why you saw it that way.  It just seems like it's a view that lacks context.  Please note that I haven't played the original game yet, but my understanding is that the scene you referred to deals with a couple whose romantic link was present in the first game.  

Watching a bit of a Let's Play the opening shows the two in bed together.  Something that jumped out at me is the level of comfort the two have with each other.  It came across like they're partners in a relationship rather than just bed buddies.  And knowing that this relationship isn't something new allowed me to see the bath scene for what it is.  I would imagine myself being in Geralt's shoes at that point.  Telling my siginificant other she needs a bath being a playful way to get her naked not because I'm a horn dog -- I've seen her naked before and each time gets better and better-- but because I love her.

[SalsaDMA]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Read the OP, but haven't read the rest of the thread.

I did read a bit about the article on games radar and the part I agree with is I want them to not care about "freaking people out". I think, more than anything, that's why people are praising The Witcher 2.

The scene in TW2 isn't pornographic at all. It's this type of thinking that has allowed gaming to remain "a kid thing" when stats would show that it's the adults who do most of the purchasing. Gaming is being forced to remain child-like rather being allowed to grow with its customers.

So yes, I praise CD Projekt for having the will to show that gaming isn't just for kids. That in the same way that you'll have G-rated movies through R-rated movies, you'll have E-rated games through M-rated games.

Maybe calling it soft-core pornography was too far, but my main problem was that as far as I can tell, it didn't need to be there, like I said a romance shouldn't validate a sex scene, a sex scene should validate a romance, however the witcher 2 didn't have a romance to validate, and therefore, to me it just seems as though it was there for the sake of eyecandy, which is why I went as far as describing it as soft-core pornography.

I only tried the witcher 1, but if it is the same character we are talking about, he is just like that. The character is baiscly a superhuman that cannot get diseases nor be fertile. I would raise my eyebrow more if he wasn't interested in sleeping with women 'just because he could'. And for the women he is with, he's basicly a safe bet. They know they won't catch anything unforeseen with him, and I've been led to believe they think he is good looking too.

I never saw his antics in Witcher 1 as softcore porn, eyecandy or anything of the like. More an admission of how the guy were (or could be, as you weren't usually forced into being with all these women, ofc). Not all sex in the world, virtual or real, is the climax of some deep and invovled romance. Sometimes (quite often actually), it's 'just' something that is done between consenting people that want to have a good time with no deeper implications than that.

[Ghost Warrior]

SalsaDMA wrote...


I only tried the witcher 1, but if it is the same character we are talking about, he is just like that. The character is baiscly a superhuman that cannot get diseases nor be fertile. I would raise my eyebrow more if he wasn't interested in sleeping with women 'just because he could'. And for the women he is with, he's basicly a safe bet. They know they won't catch anything unforeseen with him, and I've been led to believe they think he is good looking too.

I never saw his antics in Witcher 1 as softcore porn, eyecandy or anything of the like. More an admission of how the guy were (or could be, as you weren't usually forced into being with all these women, ofc). Not all sex in the world, virtual or real, is the climax of some deep and invovled romance. Sometimes (quite often actually), it's 'just' something that is done between consenting people that want to have a good time with no deeper implications than that.

This.

[BubbleSauce]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...


I only tried the witcher 1, but if it is the same character we are talking about, he is just like that. The character is baiscly a superhuman that cannot get diseases nor be fertile. I would raise my eyebrow more if he wasn't interested in sleeping with women 'just because he could'. And for the women he is with, he's basicly a safe bet. They know they won't catch anything unforeseen with him, and I've been led to believe they think he is good looking too.

I never saw his antics in Witcher 1 as softcore porn, eyecandy or anything of the like. More an admission of how the guy were (or could be, as you weren't usually forced into being with all these women, ofc). Not all sex in the world, virtual or real, is the climax of some deep and invovled romance. Sometimes (quite often actually), it's 'just' something that is done between consenting people that want to have a good time with no deeper implications than that.

This.

What?

[Yakko77]

Narosian wrote...

 When I see this title I can't but think of peter griffin's side boob hour.

Beat me to it!

[bigSarg]

I'd like to see a happy medium, I don't want full frontal nudity but showing two people nude from a side view is fine, or showing a top view or even showing a naked butt, you don't have to show any of the questionable parts to show some nudity and then at least it would look realistic, I mean look at Jack's default cloth's, they show almost as much as you would get from a nude scene that was tastefully done.  If Jack can walk around half nude why can't the sex scenes show as much of the rest of the crew.

*edit* oh yea I almost forgot about Miranda's cat-suit, it leaves very little to the imagination, is there really any difference from Jack or Miranda's outfits to actually showing some real skin in a sex scene? I don't think so. 

Modifié par bigSarg, 05 juin 2011 - 08:13 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Dangerfoot wrote...

I saw an exposed breasts at a young age and it pretty much scarred me for life. I am now a sociopath that only feels something when I look at objects that closely resemble breasts, at which point I break down into violent sobbing. So please, don't show your children breasts.

Or butts. Don't get me started on what butts have done to my fragile psyche.

Lol. Coming to you straight from bible belt fundie america.

[Eclipse merc]

All I want if something like the ME 1 scenes, none of that crap ME 2 had..

[Badpie]

Both Mass Effect and The Witcher are just fine in terms of what they show and don't show. I think the thing is, when you're buying either game you kind of understand what you're gonna get as far as sexual content. Witcher is much more gratuitous which is fine and Mass Effect errs on the side of suggest, don't show. Both ways work for those games.

I think for Mass Effect fans already understand that the game isn't going to go that far beyond a PG13 type rating for the sexual situations. So to do that in ME3 I think might be a little shocking and jarring to the tone they've set previously.

Just like if in Witcher 3 there was suddenly zero gratuitious sexual content.

Both incidents would be grounds for fans saying "WTF?"

As far as the original question - subjective. I'm a fan of side boob, myself. And to me, the love scene from ME1 was a pitch perfect combination of suggestion and sensuality while still remaining extremely classy.

Stay classy, Mass Effect.

[Skilled Seeker]

I'm hoping for a full blown interactive porno in TW3 sex scenes. It's the natural progression judging from the differences in the scenes from 1 to 2.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 05 juin 2011 - 10:04 .

[BeefoTheBold]

Personally, I don't like the general trendline in how much Bioware is willing to show in games.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not, as some have mentioned, wanting a bunch of porno. There's a middle ground to be had between that and the "dry rubbing" you've gotten in the ultra-sanitized approach that Bioware has taken in recent games.

I think it should be AT LEAST the level of ME1.

These scenes need to FEEL real is what I'm struggling to find a way to word. Sanitize them too much and they don't feel that way any longer and they lose their emotional punch. Sex is a part of the human condition and if you want to authentically display that human condition in game form, then you can't shy away from this piece too much or you lose the realism and immersion.

It's fine to "fade to black" after a certain point of course, but I've gotten the general feeling that Bioware is gradually backing away in this area out of fear more than anything else.

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 05 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[Urazz]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Personally, I don't like the general trendline in how much Bioware is willing to show in games.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not, as some have mentioned, wanting a bunch of porno. There's a middle ground to be had between that and the "dry rubbing" you've gotten in the ultra-sanitized approach that Bioware has taken in recent games.

I think it should be AT LEAST the level of ME1.

These scenes need to FEEL real is what I'm struggling to find a way to word. Sanitize them too much and they don't feel that way any longer and they lose their emotional punch. Sex is a part of the human condition and if you want to authentically display that human condition in game form, then you can't shy away from this piece too much or you lose the realism and immersion.

It's fine to "fade to black" after a certain point of course, but I've gotten the general feeling that Bioware is gradually backing away in this area out of fear more than anything else.

Yeah, sad that bioware is being a bunch of cowards about this.  I mean come on, when Fox freaked out about ME1's sex scene, all that had to be said was that it wasn't a game rated for kids or something and that if a kid manages to play it then that's the parents' fault.

[Snowship]

Narosian wrote...

 When I see this title I can't but think of peter griffin's side boob hour.

And incase anyone on Earth hadn't seen it

[Oblivious]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Read the OP, but haven't read the rest of the thread.

I did read a bit about the article on games radar and the part I agree with is I want them to not care about "freaking people out". I think, more than anything, that's why people are praising The Witcher 2.

The scene in TW2 isn't pornographic at all. It's this type of thinking that has allowed gaming to remain "a kid thing" when stats would show that it's the adults who do most of the purchasing. Gaming is being forced to remain child-like rather being allowed to grow with its customers.

So yes, I praise CD Projekt for having the will to show that gaming isn't just for kids. That in the same way that you'll have G-rated movies through R-rated movies, you'll have E-rated games through M-rated games.

Maybe calling it soft-core pornography was too far, but my main problem was that as far as I can tell, it didn't need to be there, like I said a romance shouldn't validate a sex scene, a sex scene should validate a romance, however the witcher 2 didn't have a romance to validate, and therefore, to me it just seems as though it was there for the sake of eyecandy, which is why I went as far as describing it as soft-core pornography.

TW2 did have a romance to validate. A romance that spanned 6 novels, multiple short stories, and 2 full-length RPGs. Basically that of Geralt and Triss. Throughout the game NPCs make references to their romance and even King Foltest acknowledges that they have a romance. That is also the reason she was kicked out of her prestigious role in the palace, for being the "Witcher's Wh0re." The sex scenes with the prostitutes was nothing more than eye candy, then again they are prostitutes and the player has to actually walk into a brothel and pay them a large amount of money for it. Is it the games fault that the player sold his very boots for a few coins and then spent it in a brothel or the player's fault?

[TomY90]

Too be honest I understand why bioware are trying to back away from such things considering they are becoming more mainstream (do not mean it as an insult) which means that they cannot do certain things which one of those things which I believe is nowadays more socially acceptable in both games, tv shows, films and in everyday life is nudity. 

But there is still a strong stigma to nudity having a relation to what appears to be pornographic scenes which if you see the current trend in media you can see what is considering what is pornographic is reducing further. 

Just look at the TV series ROME, Game Of Thrones, Broadwalk Empire etc you can see they all have nudity which they do get consider less and less to actually aid the story telling because you feel that the characters in the story are more real because everyone knows that you do not do what you do fully clothed you do it wearing barely anything or not at all which is what these TV series portray which i believe is Bang On.

There used to be a few films at one point with scenes of nudity (the most recent I remember has to be sin city, 300 and watchmen) which granted they seemed to do it more for the sake of nudity but they do in a way add more emotion to a scene especially considering I doubt in real life you would do it with your wife clothed (300) or have a passionate scene with someone you met in the bar who is way out of league without getting as much as you can for it (sin city).

The issue the game industry is having to do is find a balance that the television industry and the film industry have found, for one I agree that nudity for the sake of nudity is just trying to get teenagers to play it more (and again) which The Witcher 2 fell into that trap with having sex scenes that feel un natural (due to the sheer levels of nudity and how the scenes come about)  nor would a film or tv series use to such an extent that level of nudity at all (becomes pornographic).

Heavy Rain managed to do the same as well at points with one of the female lead character (Madison Paige) being obsessed with getting her naked and often zooming into her rack at some scenes (the shower scene springs to mind) which such scenes was not necessary it was just something to make you feel attracted in a way to her and make teenagers want more.

The mass effect series so far has struck a balance of having sexual scenes where needed but in ME3 I do think nudity levels will have to be increased because the relationship dynamics will be different in ME3 because the characters will be much more emotionally involved especially if you have been dating them since ME1 so naturally they will be more intimate with one another.

However I do not want them to become something like Heavy Rain or The Witcher 2 which is nudity for the sake of nudity it has to feel natural and real as if they emotionally attached not just trying to give the gamer a dirty thrill.

If such a balance a struck (which DA2 missed by more than a country mile especially when it is the maximum age rating in the UK ) that ME1 was not too far away (well done considering it was a 12 in the UK) and ME2 was closer (about what you would expect from a 15 in the UK) to getting the balance right.

Which I do expect ME3 to be an 18 due to the story being much more darker, gruesome and likely need more blood, violence, strong violence etc (which should open biowares options further)

That is my opinion that i say yes to nudity but in moderation.

P.S. Sorry for the essay

Modifié par TomY90, 05 juin 2011 - 11:01 .

[Nerevar-as]

Oblivious wrote...

TW2 did have a romance to validate. A romance that spanned 6 novels, multiple short stories, and 2 full-length RPGs. Basically that of Geralt and Triss. Throughout the game NPCs make references to their romance and even King Foltest acknowledges that they have a romance. That is also the reason she was kicked out of her prestigious role in the palace, for being the "Witcher's Wh0re." The sex scenes with the prostitutes was nothing more than eye candy, then again they are prostitutes and the player has to actually walk into a brothel and pay them a large amount of money for it. Is it the games fault that the player sold his very boots for a few coins and then spent it in a brothel or the player's fault?

That would be Yennefer. Triss in the books felt for Geralt, but he didn´t, and she takes advantage of his amnesia there. Next game could get interesting if written properly

Book Geralt has casual sex often (more in the tales than in the full novels), but not to the extreme of the first game. He didn´t cheat his LI as he can in the games for example.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 05 juin 2011 - 11:17 .