276 réponses à ce sujet

[Gamer Ftw]

I don't think mages are as are constantly at risk of being possessed.
[excluding Kirkwall where the veil is thin.}
I don't think magister's really started the blight.
I believe Andraste was a mage and they covered it up.
discuss.

[The Baconer]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
I don't think magister's really started the blight.

This is the only point I would confidently disregard as 'Chantry propoganda', even without my bias toward Tevinter.

"They were cast out, twisted and turned by their own corruption. They returned as monsters, the first of the Darkspawn... Who promptly attacked the dwarves for some reason."

Yeah that really doesn't make any sense.

[_Aine_]

The Chantry does not lie, they have evangelical "spin". A marketing machine for the soul.

Buy now, eternity 10% more free!

[TJPags]

shantisands wrote...

The Chantry does not lie, they have evangelical "spin". A marketing machine for the soul.

Buy now, eternity 10% more free!

Indeed, the Chantry does not "lie".  The Chantry interprets the truth in a manner that's best for your soul. 

[Gamer Ftw]

The chantry spreads fear as a basis to control the minds of the masses.

[Ryzaki]

The Baconer wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...
I don't think magister's really started the blight.

This is the only point I would confidently disregard as 'Chantry propoganda', even without my bias toward Tevinter.

"They were cast out, twisted and turned by their own corruption. They returned as monsters, the first of the Darkspawn... Who promptly attacked the dwarves for some reason."

Yeah that really doesn't make any sense.

 

It really doesn't. 

[ReiSilver]

Here's some Chantry lies I've remembered:
Templars - they don't need lyrium, anyone with training can become one, you don't need to take vows.
The Dales - they stirred up propaganda to lead an exalted march on the 'heathens'

and on the not-so-much-lies-but-hypocrisy:
Using phylacteries to track mages, Blood Magic is bad except when we do it, then it's ok.

[themonty72]

The chantry was against Mages....and prentended they wasnt...Anders knew it thats why he destoyed it. Why players didnt get that part I dont know.

[dragonflight288]

The part of Andraste being a mage is also my theory. It is supported by a book you can give Wynne as a gift in Origins. One mage, supported by dozens of warriors to keep enemies from getting near, can cause a tremendous amount of damage to enemies.

That line the chantry constantly speaks "Magic exists to serve man, never rule over him." It doesn't say "Mages exist to serve man." It doesn't say "Magic is inherintly evil and plagues man." It says magic is meant to serve. And a mage can serve many people, like Anders does in his clinic, or an enchanter for a feudal lord, or a soldier for a country.

[dragonflight288]

Right, so why would they go underground when, according to the chant of light, the ritual required several hundred slaves to die? And the dwarves at the time controlled the entire deep roads, spanning across all of Thedas.

[Ryzaki]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Right, so why would they go underground when, according to the chant of light, the ritual required several hundred slaves to die? And the dwarves at the time controlled the entire deep roads, spanning across all of Thedas.

 

Really would've been better of pretending the magisters created the darkspawn. 

[dragonflight288]

Ah....so they venture underground to free the old gods while doing a ritual to enter the fade in their physical bodies, possibly to never return? Makes perfect sense....

[dgcatanisiri]

dragonflight288 wrote...

That line the chantry constantly speaks "Magic exists to serve man, never rule over him." It doesn't say "Mages exist to serve man." It doesn't say "Magic is inherintly evil and plagues man." It says magic is meant to serve. And a mage can serve many people, like Anders does in his clinic, or an enchanter for a feudal lord, or a soldier for a country.

That's the part I always want to be able to point out to the overbearing members of the Chantry. I agree with the idea of a Circle, a place for mages to learn to control their magic. But I vehemently oppose the way that it's been executed. The Circle as it exists was established not long after much of Thedas fought off the Tevinter Imperium, an organization ruled by mages. The Circles were then designed to keep mages 'in check' to prevent another Imperium from rising, not to treat the mages fairly. They need a massive system overhaul, but you know the Chantry isn't inclined to do so.

Andraste being a mage is a fascinating idea, and I could see it as being possible. I won't say either way, but I can imagine it without difficulty.

[Phoenix_Loftian]

Filament wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...
I don't think magister's really started the blight.

This is the only point I would confidently disregard as 'Chantry propoganda', even without my bias toward Tevinter.

"They were cast out, twisted and turned by their own corruption. They returned as monsters, the first of the Darkspawn... Who promptly attacked the dwarves for some reason."

Yeah that really doesn't make any sense.

Maybe the ritual was underground, and that's where they were returned? And they just attacked the people nearest to them?

That doesn't explain the Archdemons or why they only try to conquer the world outside the Deep Roads during Blights.

Actually, where would the Archdemon's even factor into the Chantry's teaching? They're supposedly Elven Gods, struck down by the treachery of the Dread Wolf or the Maker... or maybe they're both the same person? Blah, who knows?

I'm actually disappointed in learning that we won't be told if the Maker exists or not to keep it open for interpretation. I'd like at least an explanation for the Elven Gods and the Archdemons but since the Darkspawn are so closely related to the religion of the Chantry, it doesn't seem like we'll find out what they are or where they came from.

[The Baconer]

Filament wrote...
The Fade seems to have local variation (Golems of Amgarrak, Blackmarsh for instance), perhaps they wanted to get close so they could enter the dreams of the Old Gods or such. Or maybe they wanted to physically enter the Fade as a means of crossing some otherwise impassable barrier in reality so as to free the Old Gods but again, they needed to be near them to begin with.

The dwarves accidently releasing an 'ancient evil' while tunneling certainly sounds a lot more reasonable.

[dragonflight288]

....the dwarves accidentally unleashing an ancient evil like the Balrog in Lord of the Rings still sounds more plausible.

[The Baconer]

dragonflight288 wrote...

....the dwarves accidentally unleashing an ancient evil like the Balrog in Lord of the Rings still sounds more plausible.

I know, it's a bit cliche, but the base plot of Origins wasn't anything less.

[dragonflight288]

In the words of one of my college professors "Originality and Cliche are synonyms. Only with originality, you hide your sources."

Thought that was pretty witty. And origins was pretty original having elves being second-class citizens or slaves depending on the country, rather than masters of the wooded empire, immortal, agesless and wise. In Origins they barely know their own history and culture.

And there are dwarves without beards.

[Ryzaki]

dragonflight288 wrote...

....the dwarves accidentally unleashing an ancient evil like the Balrog in Lord of the Rings still sounds more plausible.

 

I wonder if throwing the ring into mount doom is when everyone gets magic? 

[dragonflight288]

LOL.