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[Azione]

Hello everyone. My name is Azione. Im new here so nice to meet you all.
Beyond  i cant understand english  i don't really used to write it, so my apologies if my style of speaking is a little strange to you.

To cut straight to the point i intent of making an all pc druid party and play BG1 (easy tutu) BG2 and TOB all the way. I writed down a huge story for this so im really anxious to do it.

The party is something like this:

1. Multiclass Fighter/Totemic druid
2. Shapeshifter
3. Avenger
4. Multiclass Barbarian/Shapeshifter or Fighter/shape****er if i can't
5. Multiclass Assasin/Druid
6. Multiclass Priest of talos/Druid

I know this party is impossible of make. But what i understand is that it can actualy be done whit Shadow Keeper. ¿Am i wrong? If this is posible can anyone please try to write down all the steps for doing this?

Thank you very much

P.S: How do you think this party will go???

Modifié par Azione, 04 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[Ishad Nha]

No Mages, no single-class warrior types, it should be lunch for some lucky Mephits in the starting dungeon.
Druids can't wear the best armor types so their armor class is always second rate. Multiclass characters will advance levels more slowly, this becomes a problem later in the game.
I had an Undead Hunter party leader, that helps with the Vampires&
ShadowKeeper can only do so much...

Modifié par Ishad Nha, 04 juin 2011 - 03:09 .

[zendingo]

Here's the breakdown:

1. Multiclass Fighter/Totemic druid - possible
2. Shapeshifter - possible
3. Avenger - possible
4. Multiclass Barbarian/Shapeshifter - not possible to have 2 kits on 1 character
or Fighter/shape****er if i can't - possible
5. Multiclass Assasin/Druid - not possible because you can't have a multi-class druid with anything except a fighter
6. Multiclass Priest of talos/Druid - not possible because you can't have a multi-class druid with anything except a fighter

So only about 3 of those characters are possible even with Shadowkeeper. For variety, you could use more combinations of fighter kits or druid kits (like kensai/druid or barbarian/druid). But unfortunately, you'll never be able to combine a druid with a thief or cleric. If you want to proceed with a revised party, what might be an easier way than Shadowkeeper is to use a mod called "Level 1 NPCs" to add kits to multi-class characters using the existing NPCs in the game.

Modifié par zendingo, 04 juin 2011 - 06:42 .

[Ishad Nha]

Even if it were possible with ShadowKeeper or hacking, it is not a balanced party. It would need to be revised before you could play the game successfully.

[Azione]

Buuu
What about dual classes instead of multiclass?

Modifié par Azione, 04 juin 2011 - 09:07 .

[Grond0]

The game engine requires that any dual class combination must also be a valid multi-class so you can't get round the restrictions like that. The only thing that shadowkeeper / level1npcs will allow you to do that the game does not is to have any one specialist kit as part of an possible combination. For instance the only multi-class mage normally allowed by the game is a gnome illusionist, but you could use shadowkeeper to have a fighter combined with any specialist mage (or a basic mage combined with any fighter kit).

[Azione]

thank you very much for the answers.
I will have to pretend or put me the restriction of the druids myself. =)

[BelgarathMTH]

Ishad Nha wrote...

Even if it were possible with ShadowKeeper or hacking, it is not a balanced party. It would need to be revised before you could play the game successfully.

I disagree with this statement. People play and beat the game all the time with only one solo character.

Six of any character builds are going to be able to finish the game for anybody that knows the game well, much more easily than a solo character. There will be some headaches associated with some combinations, or more specifically, with the absence of certain functions, such as thieving.

[Reticent]

An all Druid party shouldn't be especially difficult at all, really. Traps can be detected by spell and avoided wherever possible. Many locks can be bashed with sufficient strength (tip: make the Shapeshifter your protagonist, the Bhaal-spawn ability DUHM stacks with Werewolf and Greater Werewolf forms).

The raise dead and restoration scrolls (and eventually the Rod of Resurrection) mean you don't really need a cleric.Druids have spells to prevent most of the truly damning status effects with the exception of fear, and fear isn't quite as bad with a party as it is solo. You might want to make sure you have some sort of Berserker/Druid for the extra immunities during berserk state.

Modifié par Reticent, 04 juin 2011 - 10:47 .

[ussnorway]

zendingo wrote...

Here's the breakdown:

4. Multiclass Barbarian/Shapeshifter - not possible to have 2 kits on 1 character
or Fighter/shape****er if i can't - possible
5. Multiclass Assasin/Druid - not possible because you can't have a multi-class druid with anything except a fighter
6. Multiclass Priest of talos/Druid - not possible because you can't have a multi-class druid with anything except a fighter

So only about 3 of those characters are possible even with Shadowkeeper. For variety, you could use more combinations of fighter kits or druid kits (like kensai/druid or barbarian/druid). But unfortunately, you'll never be able to combine a druid with a thief or cleric. If you want to proceed with a revised party, what might be an easier way than Shadowkeeper is to use a mod called "Level 1 NPCs" to add kits to multi-class characters using the existing NPCs in the game.

The game engine allows 1 active kit per character... legal or otherwise.
You can have a Barbarian/Druid, Assasin (#) Druid (any type) dual class same for talos (#)- Druid... all these need shadowkeeper to make.

A year or so ago there was a single class challenge on the old forums i.e. all fighters or all bards etc... the druids did very well in this.

[Azione]

ussnorway wrote...

The game engine allows 1 active kit per character... legal or otherwise.
You can have a Barbarian/Druid, Assasin (#) Druid (any type) dual class same for talos (#)- Druid... all these need shadowkeeper to make.

A year or so ago there was a single class challenge on the old forums i.e. all fighters or all bards etc... the druids did very well in this.

can you tell me how to do this please??

[Ishad Nha]

It might help if you are familiar with BG2, an all-druid party is not easy to pull off given the dual-classing problems. If you want an alternative to the No-Reload Challenge this might be the thing.

Modifié par Ishad Nha, 05 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[Carinna]

ussnorway wrote...
A year or so ago there was a single class challenge on the old forums i.e. all fighters or all bards etc... the druids did very well in this.

Yours may have done well, but my all-druid party was a chore, owing directly to the "no protection from fear" problem. 

[ussnorway]

Azione wrote...
can you tell me how to do this please??

Shadow keeper... Make a Dual class with the kit as the active class. Example is thief (inactive) battle guard (active).

Step 1; Make a battle guard of tempus... Battle guard is Not a bioware kit so SK won’t see it. Create a level 1 Battle guard and save as test. Make a thief & Save it as test 1.


Step 2; Open the thief save in shadow keeper and add enough experience to make level 2. Save as test 2.


Step 3; Open test 2 and dual into new class… cleric. Save as Test 3.


Step 4; Now open test in SK the kit box will look blank but press the set value icon and note or copy the kit code.


Step 5; Now reopen test 3 in SK and paste/ change the kit code to the new one… save as test 5.


Step 6; Open test 5 and play your new character.

Modifié par ussnorway, 05 juin 2011 - 12:38 .

[Azione]

with pictures and everything wow!! yo really take the time for this and im really greatfull for this.

But i have two questions.
1) Work the same for Multiclass?
2) I did it like you said but instead of a Battleguard of tempus i used a Priest of Talos but my "Record" page it said Cleric lvl1 Thief lvl 2. In your record page puts the kit. I did something wrong? May be the fact that i use Bg1 easy tutu change the thing??

Thank you very very much! =)

Modifié par Azione, 05 juin 2011 - 11:00 .

[ussnorway]

Azione wrote...

with pictures and everything wow!! yo really take the time for this and im really greatfull for this.

But i have two questions.
1) Work the same for Multiclass?
2) I did it like you said but instead of a Battleguard of tempus i used a Priest of Talos but my "Record" page it said Cleric lvl1 Thief lvl 2. In your record page puts the kit. I did something wrong? May be the fact that i use Bg1 easy tutu change the thing??

Thank you very very much! =)

1) Yes it does… make a half elf fighter/ Druid then open it in shadow and change the kit to any fighter or druid kit… see example.



2) Redo step 4 & 5. Notice in my picture 4 that the kit box looks blank but still has a code number in the value icon.
Edit: The code for talos is below... Have you got a mod that removes kits... example divine remix?

Shadow works with bg1, bg2 & tutu (all versions).

You are welcome.

Modifié par ussnorway, 06 juin 2011 - 02:24 .

[Ishad Nha]

Neat work there, only question I have is why this work should be necessary in the first place, why BG2 has the idiot restrictions on dual-classing. They were not present in the two Dark Sun games released in the early 1990s.
As for an all-Druid party, you can't use all the best weapons. Druid weapons are basically Wizard weapons, plus Scimitars, Spears and Clubs. There are good Druid weapons in the game but they pale in comparison to what is available to warriors. Even multi-class or dual class Fighter/Druids are stuck with Druid weapons.

[Azione]

ussnorway wrote...

1) Yes it does… make a half elf fighter/ Druid then open it in shadow and change the kit to any fighter or druid kit… see example.



2) Redo step 4 & 5. Notice in my picture 4 that the kit box looks blank but still has a code number in the value icon.
Edit: The code for talos is below... Have you got a mod that removes kits... example divine remix?

Shadow works with bg1, bg2 & tutu (all versions).

You are welcome.

I don't put the Divine Remix. But after reading this i search for any "divine" file in my BG Tutu and i find "_DIVINE.CRE" and "_DIVINE.DLG" on my Override folder . This are the files you are talking? I will have to delete them?

Modifié par Azione, 06 juin 2011 - 04:16 .

[ussnorway]

Ishad Nha wrote...

Neat work there, only question I have is why this work should be necessary in the first place, why BG2 has the idiot restrictions on dual-classing. They were not present in the two Dark Sun games released in the early 1990s.
As for an all-Druid party, you can't use all the best weapons. Druid weapons are basically Wizard weapons, plus Scimitars, Spears and Clubs. There are good Druid weapons in the game but they pale in comparison to what is available to warriors. Even multi-class or dual class Fighter/Druids are stuck with Druid weapons.

Druids have powerful divine magic example 'Insect swarm' to fight with... the weapons are more about ideology.
If a druid fights in melee then they should shape-shift... example = bear ... the weapon they carry becomes irrelevant.

@Azione; What class are you trying to make?... example thief/ talos priest multi or thief (2) talos priest (4) dual are both fine but you can't have an bounty hunter/ Talos priest because that would be two active kits.

Modifié par ussnorway, 06 juin 2011 - 06:32 .

[Reticent]

As for an all-Druid party, you can't use all the best weapons. Druid weapons are basically Wizard weapons, plus Scimitars, Spears and Clubs. There are good Druid weapons in the game but they pale in comparison to what is available to warriors. Even multi-class or dual class Fighter/Druids are stuck with Druid weapons.

That's simply a non-issue.  The weapons available to Druids are more than capable of killing everything in the game, and some of those weapons are probably somewhat under-appreciated.

Modifié par Reticent, 06 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[Dante2377]

Yes, the spear of withering is underused - a +4 weapon with elemental damage and Impaler is often underused as well.

If you really feel weapons are lacking, you can get the Item Upgrade mod, which will allow you to turn some of the magical spears into ranged, returning throwing weapons with longbow rate-of-fire. You can also merge blackblood and gnasher into a +5 club with both acid and spike damage, although each is a good weapon in and of itself.  Also lets you forge a +4 scmitar that heals you and has extra damage as well.  

Modifié par Dante2377, 06 juin 2011 - 03:37 .

[Azione]

ussnorway wrote...

@Azione; What class are you trying to make?... example thief/ talos priest multi or thief (2) talos priest (4) dual are both fine but you can't have an bounty hunter/ Talos priest because that would be two active kits.

The class are at the top of the thread. Im going to delete that two files and see what happen, may be thats the answer.


I always played with a melee druid in Bg1,2 and Icewind dale 1,2  and i never haves problems with weapons. I always find sompleace a spear or a scimitar that do the work just fine.