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[syllogi]

tmp7704 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

You also assume that sexuality in Thedas works just how you think it works in the real world, which isn't even true.  For starters, I doubt Thedas even defines sexuality (gay/bisexual/straight) as we do...they probably don't even define it at all.

Considering you can stop a possible homosexual relationship from forming in both games based on nothing but the genders involved, they appear to recognize the differences and that not every combination is everyone's cup of tea, at the least.

I can stop all four of the possible romances no matter what my character's gender is.  

Personally, there are a couple of characters I would never romance, no matter what their gender and sexuality, or my character's gender/sexuality.  It's a good thing these characters aren't forced on me in any way, shape, or form.  I don't even have to be nice to them, much less romance them.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's one of those things that make me just want to throw this game in the garbage.Why is Bioware, or more specifically the DA team, so anti-hetero lately?

It's all academic really, because whatever you want, you are too late. It is already in the game and will be in DA3. Besides, having non-hetero romance options doesn't look anti-hetero to me. BW's games have romance options and having non-hetero romance options is required to gather for the less common sexual orientations. I think that's a good thing. Not many large companies are willing to take that stance. I understand the discussion that people are having about how to implement it, though, but I believe that they should not give in to homophobic arguments to ban it from the game: Homophobia is a fear and fear should not rule reason; therefor homophobes should never be allowed to win.

[Erani]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's one of those things that make me just want to throw this game in the garbage.Why is Bioware, or more specifically the DA team, so anti-hetero lately?

This made me LOL so much. 

[jlb524]

Monica83 wrote...

And you fount Logic that you have a team full of bi people? i find this unbelieable and im bi.. its like forced as a choice have almost all romanceable character bi... sorry but... its just ridicolus... unless the companions don't have the personality of a dead chicken.. please... i like if bi people are present but its just silly have all romanceable companions BI.. a better solution its add more companion.. i see the fact all char are bi like a forced compromise not related with the plot but maybe is just me

Again, only 4 bisexuals...not the whole team.  I personally think it's more believable than having a blood mage/abomination/magical fist dude, given some of the things I've discussed about sexuality in Thedas in this thread.

No one is forcing any romances....

I see having all bisexual companions as giving both heterosexual and homosexual PCs choice with something that really isn't a big deal.   It's not nearly as bad as the 'forced' ending of DA2, for example; or being forced along one path to stop the Blight in DA:O (why couldn't I go after Loghain first like Morrigan suggested?)  These things affect the plot/my story more than who I sleep with, or who could potentially want to sleep with me, if I look at it from a metaperspective.  However, people ignore all this and focus on sexuality...I have a problem with that.

[Russalka]

Would people even care much if Anders hadn't been a needy sad person?
Because him expressing interest that way was quite in-character.

[jlb524]

Agamo45 wrote...

It's one of those things that make me just want to throw this game in the garbage.Why is Bioware, or more specifically the DA team, so anti-hetero lately?

Why are they so anti-gay?

*grumbles* Damn bisexuals get all the love from Bioware.

Really, if they were anti-hetero, they'd remove all possible heterosexual romances.  That's what anti-hetero means, not "giving people who want homosexual relationships an equal amount of the pie".

I don't get this notion:  if they don't cater to me more than the others, they must not like me.

[DragonRageGT]

Russalka wrote...

Would people even care much if Anders hadn't been a needy sad person?
Because him expressing interest that way was quite in-character.

DA2 Anders is a joke compared to his personality in Awakening, IMHO.

[tmp7704]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

It is hilarious when you consider that people would more easily accept a fictional universe where everyone lays eggs than one where everyone is bisexual.

Could be simply because there's lot more of species in our own universe which lay eggs, than ones which were demonstrated to be universally bisexual.

[Huntress]

jlb524 wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

And you fount Logic that you have a team full of bi people? i find this unbelieable and im bi.. its like forced as a choice have almost all romanceable character bi... sorry but... its just ridicolus... unless the companions don't have the personality of a dead chicken.. please... i like if bi people are present but its just silly have all romanceable companions BI.. a better solution its add more companion.. i see the fact all char are bi like a forced compromise not related with the plot but maybe is just me

Again, only 4 bisexuals...not the whole team.  I personally think it's more believable than having a blood mage/abomination/magical fist dude, given some of the things I've discussed about sexuality in Thedas in this thread.

No one is forcing any romances....

I see having all bisexual companions as giving both heterosexual and homosexual PCs choice with something that really isn't a big deal.   It's not nearly as bad as the 'forced' ending of DA2, for example; or being forced along one path to stop the Blight in DA:O (why couldn't I go after Loghain first like Morrigan suggested?)  These things affect the plot/my story more than who I sleep with, or who could potentially want to sleep with me, if I look at it from a metaperspective.  However, people ignore all this and focus on sexuality...I have a problem with that.

Indeed, I have more problem with some of the game forced options that to have all companions bi.

If anyone actually wants to be realistic why should a femalecharacter HIT on males? thats so totally wrong, unbelievable and odd.<_<

[Yuqi]

I think it is more belivable in origins. You have Two straight characters,and two bi-characters. Plus non-romancable, and it balences things out.

[Bejos_]

You haven't seen women hit on men? Huh.

Anyway, it's a really stupid topic. Who cares what their sexuality is?

In fact, I'd like all future Bioware games to have some kind of skewed (by Earth standards) sexuality norm. Make all the characters explicitly bi-, or a-, or homosexual, please.

Edit: Then we can all finally shut up about this topic!

Modifié par Bejos_, 04 juin 2011 - 04:11 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Huntress wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

And you fount Logic that you have a team full of bi people? i find this unbelieable and im bi.. its like forced as a choice have almost all romanceable character bi... sorry but... its just ridicolus... unless the companions don't have the personality of a dead chicken.. please... i like if bi people are present but its just silly have all romanceable companions BI.. a better solution its add more companion.. i see the fact all char are bi like a forced compromise not related with the plot but maybe is just me

Again, only 4 bisexuals...not the whole team.  I personally think it's more believable than having a blood mage/abomination/magical fist dude, given some of the things I've discussed about sexuality in Thedas in this thread.

No one is forcing any romances....

I see having all bisexual companions as giving both heterosexual and homosexual PCs choice with something that really isn't a big deal.   It's not nearly as bad as the 'forced' ending of DA2, for example; or being forced along one path to stop the Blight in DA:O (why couldn't I go after Loghain first like Morrigan suggested?)  These things affect the plot/my story more than who I sleep with, or who could potentially want to sleep with me, if I look at it from a metaperspective.  However, people ignore all this and focus on sexuality...I have a problem with that.

Indeed, I have more problem with some of the game forced options that to have all companions bi.

If anyone actually wants to be realistic why should a femalecharacter HIT on males? thats so totally wrong, unbelievable and odd.<_<

Bi people are obviously more prone to being awesome obviously.

But seriously,  Isabella hits on Males and Females.  People seem to not realize that you know,  some people don't care what your equipment is.  When romances are obviously one of the big draws to a Bioware game I don't understand why they shouldn't make all options available to all.  Is it realistic?  Maybe?  How many people swing both ways in Thedas?  Is it like the exalted setting where it's abnormal to be straight or gay? Realism doesn't really come into affect when were discussing something as miniscule as sexuality in a fantasy world.

[Russalka]

Hepler wrote Hespith. And liking Anders now is just as valid as disliking him.

[Sanguinerin]

Sexuality is more fluid in Thedas than people seem to be aware of. It's not something really shameful in their society, like in parts of ours. I imagine the only problem people have with homosexuality (despite that the terminology and grouping likely doesn't exist, as jlb524 mentioned), is that it doesn't lead to continuing on the family. It's considered a quirk of character, perhaps, but nothing disastrous. It's far more common and widely accepted.

Overall, it makes a lot more sense to have four companions that are bisexual than blood mages, spirit-bound mages, and elves with infused lyrium on their skin. I pretty much used my sibling, Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, and Varric throughout the game because the others aren't exactly the type of people I would like to keep around. A spirit-bound mage like Wynne? Sure. Anders is too much.

[tmp7704]

TeenZombie wrote...

I can stop all four of the possible romances no matter what my character's gender is.  

But different gender combinations are provided with different attitudes towards them. You can for example express dislike/discomfort when you learn about Zevran's sexual contacts with men (which would be quite out of place remark in predominantly bisexual society). Yey you don't get option to instead go all say, "Oh you've put your penis in women? How gross."

[mousestalker]

The companions aren't bi. They aren't gay. They aren't straight. They are easily divided into companions Hawke may romance and companions Hawke may not romance. It truly is that simple. If you as a player do not wish your character to romance a companion that you are allowed to romance, you do not have to. If you want to romance a companion who is eligible, then you may.

None of this is rocket science and all of it is easier than in real life. In effect, romance has been dumbed down for a mass gamer audience.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Though I do enjoy female romances while using my female characters (), I will admit it's quite odd that in DA2 everyone can be romanced. For example, in DA:O, it's great romancing Leliana and learning her past, then realizing she was in love with her mentor Marjolaine but now loves you even more. It really made you care for Leliana. But it was also great simply being friends with Morrigan. It made each character feel unique in their personalities.

In DA2, so I've read, with everyone able to be romanced, there's no real room for friendship nor real uniqueness. Just keep clicking the flirt options and boom, that's it. It seems much less complex than DA:O's system.

I'm not bisexual myself, but neither am I homophobic. I simply think making every character bi, however, dumbs down the system too much.

Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 04 juin 2011 - 04:31 .

[SilentK]

mousestalker wrote...

The companions aren't bi. They aren't gay. They aren't straight. They are easily divided into companions Hawke may romance and companions Hawke may not romance. It truly is that simple. If you as a player do not wish your character to romance a companion that you are allowed to romance, you do not have to. If you want to romance a companion who is eligible, then you may.

None of this is rocket science and all of it is easier than in real life. In effect, romance has been dumbed down for a mass gamer audience.

Hmmm... I can't see how LI:s being available equates to romances being dumbed down. Not at all. I think the romance-arcs are integrated into the story in a nice way and that the scenes are really good. But I fully agree with you on the fact that it's as simple as just avoiding to flirt with the ones that you don't want to romance if you don't wish to see that in game. Hmmm... Had the same story and romance-arcs but with the only difference that Merrill and Anders had been straight suddenly been more of a clever game?

[Huntress]

[/quote]

Bi people are obviously more prone to being awesome obviously.

But seriously,  Isabella hits on Males and Females.  People seem to not realize that you know,  some people don't care what your equipment is.  When romances are obviously one of the big draws to a Bioware game I don't understand why they shouldn't make all options available to all.  Is it realistic?  Maybe?  How many people swing both ways in Thedas?  Is it like the exalted setting where it's abnormal to be straight or gay? Realism doesn't really come into affect when were discussing something as miniscule as sexuality in a fantasy world.

[/quote]

Isabella and Anders hit anyone, now your character has to make Merril and fenris to see you as a potential Li, they don't come to you the same as this others, you have to do the work for it.
To me this means Fenris is totally gay and my Fhawk is forcing him and Merril is a virgen and my hawk is forcing her.

See what I just did? Am I wrong with that idea? I don't think so, thats how I see it, and it feel forced on top of that.

And answering the question if I have seen female hitting on males, no, I haven't, and that doesn't mean am going to be by my window waiting for that moment or rush to the beach and wait for woman's to run after well built men's.

[Maugrim]

Yes.

[ipgd]

makalathbonagin wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Would people even care much if Anders hadn't been a needy sad person?
Because him expressing interest that way was quite in-character.

DA2 Anders is a joke compared to his personality in Awakening, IMHO.

thanks to Hepler and her muse Stephenie Meyer

Sometimes I wonder if it's really possible to so completely miss the point and then I remember I am on BSN and yes, yes it is.