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[Siansonea]

Anathemic wrote...

It was supposed to be douchey, for the point of the thread is to discuss the LI's bisexuality, not the LI's faction stance. If you want to discuss LI's faction stance then make a thread about it, this thread it to discuss the LI's bisexuality and only that.

Well, your Massengill Award is in the mail. Congrats. *begins slow clap*

But these characters' sexuality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You can’t talk about that one aspect of the character without discussing the character as a whole.

And your point is, what exactly? That even though there are much worse examples of character discontinuity in the game, that having four bisexual characters (which isn’t even a discontinuity) is somehow not okay simply because the subject falls within the narrowest interpretation of this discussion thread’s scope? Sorry, but that’s not rational or logical AT ALL.

[jlb524]

Anathemic wrote...
2 + 3) I was simplifying it, obviously the heterosexual sexual act achieves this.  On the sex donor thing, I just what? Can you imagine what implications this can have? "You're not my real mommy/daddy!" Bloodlines will be confused and pathetic, monarchies would dissapait (obviously they don't in Thedas), etc...

People seem to manage well in our world...it seems to me that nobles/kings just need to produce an heir, no matter how 'legitimate' it is (Alistair can become King afterall).

Anathemic wrote...
4) My personal view is the game is unrealsitic in general. However, the point of the thread is to discuss the 'bisexualty of the LIs' no the 'but this part is unrealistic too!' or 'enemy waves is unrealstic' or 'wait what about this one!'

If the game is unrealistic in general, and that bothers you/alienates you, why do you play it?  Would you like it if they removed every unrealistic thing from the game?  How do we determine what's 'unrealistic' when our world is hardly black and white?

Anathemic wrote...
Since the point of the thread is to discuss the 'bisexuality of LIs' and only the 'bisexuality of LIs' I would greatly appreciate it if you and other people stop coming up with the weak and pathetic arguement of "but this part of the game is unrealstic too! Discuss that part instead!"

Yes, that is the point of the thread.  You say, "it's unrealistic" and I'm supposed to take that seriously when other unrealistic things seem to get a free pass?

Modifié par jlb524, 04 juin 2011 - 09:04 .

[Anathemic]

Siansonea II wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It was supposed to be douchey, for the point of the thread is to discuss the LI's bisexuality, not the LI's faction stance. If you want to discuss LI's faction stance then make a thread about it, this thread it to discuss the LI's bisexuality and only that.

Well, your Massengill Award is in the mail. Congrats. *begins slow clap*

But these characters' sexuality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You can’t talk about that one aspect of the character without discussing the character as a whole.

And your point is, what exactly? That even though there are much worse examples of character discontinuity in the game, that having four bisexual characters (which isn’t even a discontinuity) is somehow not okay simply because the subject falls within the narrowest interpretation of this discussion thread’s scope? Sorry, but that’s not rational or logical AT ALL.

My point is staying on topic, y'know the point of a thread?

I honestly don't give a rat's ass on other unrealistic issues of the game, be it your topic of 'faction preference' or the topic of 'enemies spawning from the sky'. You know why? Because it's not part of the thread's intended topic.

If I want to discuss other issues I'll find another thread or create my own. This thread however is do discuss how all the LI's are of bisexual nature. Therefore we discuss it, and nothign else. THAT IS THE POINT OF A THREAD IN A FORUM.

[Russalka]

The whole lifestory of Hawke is "unrealistic". What are the odds of an elf with magical tattoos stumbling upon a person who would save the city? What about a Dalish Warden apprentice who uses blood magic, who just happened to potentially know the Dalish Keeper? What about the Amell Warden? The same woman who might have slept with the Warden would sleep with Hawke. An almost sane abomination who used to know the Warden as well, who is a Warden himself joins up with Hawke.

Why does bisexuality "trump" all these?

EDIT: Wrote keeper instead of warden for some reason.

Modifié par Russalka, 04 juin 2011 - 09:05 .

[Nerdage]

This forum should play soothing music in the background when it's open, or maybe some light-hearted funk, some of us just need to calm down.

[Anathemic]

jlb524 wrote...
People seem to manage well in our world...it seems to me that nobles/kings just need to produce an heir, no matter how 'legitimate' it is (Alistair can become Kind afterall).

In a world where society dictates yes?

jlb524 wrote...
If the game is unrealistic in general, and that bothers you/alienates you, why do you play it?  Would you like it if they removed every unrealistic thing from the game?  How do we determine what's 'unrealistic' when our world is hardly black and white?

I don't play it, not anymore. I rented it, it sucked, I returned it, never looked back. No need for philosophising, we determine what's unrealstic by simply comparing it to our world in the most open/logical way we can.

jlb524 wrote...
Yes, that is the point of the thread.  You say, "it's unrealistic" and I'm supposed to take that seriously when other unrealistic things seem to get a free pass?

They don't get a free pass. Check out the topic of "enemies spawning from the sky." Again, if you wish to discuss other things find another thread for it or create your own.

Modifié par Anathemic, 04 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[ipgd]

Anathemic wrote...

My point is staying on topic, y'know the point of a thread?

I honestly don't give a rat's ass on other unrealistic issues of the game, be it your topic of 'faction preference' or the topic of 'enemies spawning from the sky'. You know why? Because it's not part of the thread's intended topic.

If I want to discuss other issues I'll find another thread or create my own. This thread however is do discuss how all the LI's are of bisexual nature. Therefore we discuss it, and nothign else. THAT IS THE POINT OF A THREAD IN A FORUM.

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

[whykikyouwhy]

Anathemic wrote...

Because you have the luxury of having bisexual friends, doesn't mean the rest of the world has the luxury. I'm simply basing it off of the simple statistic that 2/3 times you will have people having 'reserved outlooks' on sexuality AKA ******/heterosexual people where the 1/3 is bisexual.

And even from then if you include the evolutionary aspect of real life into the equation then the 2/3 is actually greater.

Just a question - I gather that those statistics are based on how people identify themselves at the time of research/interview. If so, how do those same statistics take into consideration people who may change how they identify themselves because they become more self-aware, more comfortable with themselves, or make the jump to step out of the closet? (many people do the latter much later in life)

And this is something that I have mixed feelings about - when we apply "realistic" perspectives, or data dealing with out of game reality, how can that truly be applied to a fantasy realm? That makes the assumption that Thedas would be cut from the same mold as our world, our society. Those statistics may not apply. I don't think there is a codex somewhere where survey says only 1/3 of Thedas is bisexual. A bit of devil's advocate, yes, but applying real life standards to a fantasy may only go so far.

[Anathemic]

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

[jlb524]

Anathemic wrote...
My point is staying on topic, y'know the point of a thread?

When you bring up the concept of 'realism' it's natural to then compare what's unrealistic to the set of other things in the game that are supposedly 'realistic'.  It is part of the discussion.

Anathemic wrote...
I honestly don't give a rat's ass on other unrealistic issues of the game, be it your topic of 'faction preference' or the topic of 'enemies spawning from the sky'. You know why? Because it's not part of the thread's intended topic.

Okay, but your argument in regards to the topic is that having all bi LIs is bad b/c it's not realistic.  Now you are saying that you don't care about this in other places in the game, so it seems your concerns with 'realism' are selective, which tells me the problems with the all bi thing really isn't about realism to you, and your previous argument falls apart....

Modifié par jlb524, 04 juin 2011 - 09:09 .

[Siansonea]

Anathemic wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It was supposed to be douchey, for the point of the thread is to discuss the LI's bisexuality, not the LI's faction stance. If you want to discuss LI's faction stance then make a thread about it, this thread it to discuss the LI's bisexuality and only that.

Well, your Massengill Award is in the mail. Congrats. *begins slow clap*

But these characters' sexuality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You can’t talk about that one aspect of the character without discussing the character as a whole.

And your point is, what exactly? That even though there are much worse examples of character discontinuity in the game, that having four bisexual characters (which isn’t even a discontinuity) is somehow not okay simply because the subject falls within the narrowest interpretation of this discussion thread’s scope? Sorry, but that’s not rational or logical AT ALL.

My point is staying on topic, y'know the point of a thread?

I honestly don't give a rat's ass on other unrealistic issues of the game, be it your topic of 'faction preference' or the topic of 'enemies spawning from the sky'. You know why? Because it's not part of the thread's intended topic.

If I want to discuss other issues I'll find another thread or create my own. This thread however is do discuss how all the LI's are of bisexual nature. Therefore we discuss it, and nothign else. THAT IS THE POINT OF A THREAD IN A FORUM.

And I was discussing something directly related to that. We are talking about aspects of characterization, are we not? World view of the characters is a relevant aspect of their characterization, and contrasting that with the sexuality issue is a relevant point about the topic. I'm not talking about enemies falling out of the sky, I'm talking about Who Anders Is, and Who Fenris Is, and Who Isabela Is, and Who Merrill Is. We can't make the focus of the topic the tiny slice of the characters that is their sexuality, because a character cannot solely be described or defined by that trait. We have to discuss the character as a whole person. And if you think THAT is off-topic...but you're being disingenuous. You don't have anything to actually say about the points I'm raising, you have no means to refute my statements, so you petulantly call me out as "off-topic" as a means of squashing the discussion. Busted.

[Anathemic]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Because you have the luxury of having bisexual friends, doesn't mean the rest of the world has the luxury. I'm simply basing it off of the simple statistic that 2/3 times you will have people having 'reserved outlooks' on sexuality AKA ******/heterosexual people where the 1/3 is bisexual.

And even from then if you include the evolutionary aspect of real life into the equation then the 2/3 is actually greater.

Just a question - I gather that those statistics are based on how people identify themselves at the time of research/interview. If so, how do those same statistics take into consideration people who may change how they identify themselves because they become more self-aware, more comfortable with themselves, or make the jump to step out of the closet? (many people do the latter much later in life)

And this is something that I have mixed feelings about - when we apply "realistic" perspectives, or data dealing with out of game reality, how can that truly be applied to a fantasy realm? That makes the assumption that Thedas would be cut from the same mold as our world, our society. Those statistics may not apply. I don't think there is a codex somewhere where survey says only 1/3 of Thedas is bisexual. A bit of devil's advocate, yes, but applying real life standards to a fantasy may only go so far.

Even so if said 'sexual orientation change' changes along the road, then one must reasonably infer for the other side, or both sides.

This is at best pulling straws.

[ipgd]

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

[Anathemic]

jlb524 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...
My point is staying on topic, y'know the point of a thread?

When you bring up the concept of 'realism' it's natural to then compare what's unrealistic to the set of other things in the game that are supposedly 'realistic'.  It is part of the discussion.

Anathemic wrote...
I honestly don't give a rat's ass on other unrealistic issues of the game, be it your topic of 'faction preference' or the topic of 'enemies spawning from the sky'. You know why? Because it's not part of the thread's intended topic.

Okay, but your argument in regards to the topic is that having all bi LIs is bad b/c it's not realistic.  Now you are saying that you don't care about this in other places in the game, so it seems your concerns with 'realism' are selective, which tells me the problems with the all bi thing really isn't about realism to you, and your previous argument falls apart....

It's selective yes.... in this thread.

You see in a thread, I focus on the issue it presents and I state my position on that issue. If I wanted anotehr issue I go find another thread. It's that simple.

My position "Having all the LI's bisexual is unrealistic because..." see how it blends in with the topic of the thread? Because it discusses the LIs' bisexuality with the stance of 'unrealism'.

What I see is people trying to bring the discussion off topic by bringing other irrelevant issues such as 'faction stance' or whatnot crap.

[Anathemic]

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

[Siansonea]

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

INORITE? At the risk of sounding "off-topic", it cracks me up the amount of times I see posts by the same cadre of dedicated DA2 haters. When Dragon Age 2 game out it was a deluge of "OMG this is NOTHING like Origins! It suxxxx!!!" and "Anders hit on meeeee!!!" And here we are months later and it's "OMG, have I mentioned today how DA2 is NOTHING like Origins? It suxxxxx!!!!" and "Have I mentioned lately that Anders hit on me?" And these are people that HATE the game. BioWare must be doing something right if even the people who despise the game can't seem to tear themselves away from it.

[Ryzaki]

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

 


Maybe you should back away from this thread for a while. 

[Mr.House]

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

Go back to TW2 forums kid.

[Anathemic]

Ryzaki wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

 


Maybe you should back away from this thread for a while. 

I swear does the communtiy of BSN not know how to stay on topic? Or basic forum ettiquette. My god, and I had the displeasure of experiencing the WoW forums where they make forum mods cry and quit their jobs. Atleast they can stay on topic in a thread.

[ipgd]

Anathemic wrote...

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

You seem mad.

[Siansonea]

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

Oh Arbiter Of All Things On-Topic, do bestow upon us mere mortals the proper parameters of this discussion.

Apparently analogy, comparison, related issues and concepts are off topic. It sounds to me like we're left with "all bisexual LIs is unrealistic because—WAIT THAT'S OFF-TOPIC!"

[Russalka]

How can we discuss it being unrealistic, when making comparisons is so horribly off-topic?

[jlb524]

Anathemic wrote...

It's selective yes.... in this thread.

You see in a thread, I focus on the issue it presents and I state my position on that issue. If I wanted anotehr issue I go find another thread. It's that simple.

My position "Having all the LI's bisexual is unrealistic because..." see how it blends in with the topic of the thread? Because it discusses the LIs' bisexuality with the stance of 'unrealism'.

What I see is people trying to bring the discussion off topic by bringing other irrelevant issues such as 'faction stance' or whatnot crap.

That was brought into it b/c someone mentioned things not being 'realistic'....like I said, we need an anchor...what's realistic?  What's unrealistic? ...so we look to other portions of the game for a comparison in order to continue the discussion.  When doing that, we find loads of other things that aren't realistic as well.  The point is that people's concerns with realism seem to be selective, which means it's not about realism, which makes their initial points null and void.

[Anathemic]

Siansonea II wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

ipgd wrote...

But if you do not take issue with the other unrealistic things in this game, it suggests that your argument is a tenuous justification for a different underlying problem instead of an actual argument that stands on its own with logical consistency. If that argument is not the actual reason for your objection, it is pointless for us to address it.

Now where did you get that assunption? I find the game an unrealistic piece of 'dirt' in general. However as in context with the purpose of the thread I will discuss said topic of thread and not other issues.

Then why do you take specific issue with this one? What is it about this issue that compels you to argue, rather than take a general stance against the "implausibility" of the game as a whole?

I am also equally perplexed by the amount of people who claim to hate this game yet spend a daunting amount of time posting about it.

Because.... it's the BLOODY ****ING POINT OF THE THREAD!

Is the thread titled "DA2 is a ****ing unrealistic piece of ****!"? NO! IT's BLOODY ****ING NOT.

If it were titled that, yeah I would be more open in my view, but this thread is on ONE SPECIFIC BLOODY ****ING TOPIC! And I will damn right discuss that one bloody ****ing topic and will make sure the discussion stays on bloody ****ing course.

Christ, are all you people that thick minded?

Oh Arbiter Of All Things On-Topic, do bestow upon us mere mortals the proper parameters of this discussion.

Apparently analogy, comparison, related issues and concepts are off topic. It sounds to me like we're left with "all bisexual LIs is unrealistic because—WAIT THAT'S OFF-TOPIC!"

Explain to me how "faction stance" relates in anyway to the "having all LI's bisexual"